Ah fecccck. I want us to batter these guys. I still want revenge.
FA Premier League
Manchester City 1:0 Manchester United
Etihad Stadium
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- Sun, 2 November 2014 @ 1:30pm GMT
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Jamie (@Vault Dweller) review both the Everton and Bodø/Glimt victories at Old Trafford. Listen to the guys discuss 2 wins and 7 goals in the last week, analyse of the Amorim formation, focus on Amad and how he is playing, and also take a look at Hojlund, Rashford & Zirkzee – who starts v Arsenal?
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-------------- RVP -------------
Januzaj --------------- Di Maria
------- Fellaini - Herrera ------
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Shaw - Rojo - Smalling - Rafael
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Would love to see Falcao up top instead but it's not happening.
Yer wot? That means Mata will probably keep his place.
If Rooney is out I'd still drop Mata and play Fellaini as a number 10 with an instruction to neutralise Toure when they have possession. Januzaj could then keep his place while Herera comes in to do the box-to-box role and, along with Blind, deal with Silva and the Aguero runs.If Rooney is out, I'd keep the same team and just swap Mata with Herrera.
Herrera would probably get in for mata, and then either Falcao as well replacing januzaj or januzaj keeping his spot on the wing. So either a diamond with fellaini or Herrera at the tip, other on the right, and Rvp and Falcao up top, or a 4-3-3 with fellaini next to Herrera and only Rvp as a striker if falcao isn't ready to start.City 0-5 United this shit is good
Yes, either of the formations you've suggested there would accommodate Herera coming in for Mata. If it's 4-1-4-1 Fellaini would be alongside Herera in the middle with both operating box-to-box in front of Blind, leaving Adnan and Angel to play on the wings.
Like you I'd also like to see Falcao if he's fit enough and I'd depose Adnan to do it- for that we'd have to play 433 or 442-diamond.I'd go with...
de GeaA week or so ago I'd have never thought I'd be picking Fellaini ahead of Herrera and Carrick.
Rafael Smalling Rojo Shaw
Fellaini Blind
di Maria Rooney Januzaj
van Persie
What's the Tweet? Can't get on Twitter. Is Rooney injured or something?
Wayne Rooney is a doubt for the Manchester derby through injury. [via @AlexShawESPN]
It's early in the week....lots of time for him to recover, if this is true.I'm confident, to be honest. City are wobbling a bit at the moment - they have a number of very obvious tactical buttons to press, and LVG confirmed with his perfect neutralisation of Fabregas that he knows how to press those buttons in the big games.
Meanwhile we got a good (and deserved) point against Chelsea without actually putting in a stunning performance or anything. Di Maria was off-colour, Falcao and Rooney were both unavailable (and either probably would have been an improvement over RVP despite the goal), and Herrera was missing too.
Swap out RVP for Falcao. Put Fellaini on the bench as an option for the second half, and start Herrera instead. Herrera's presence will have Di Maria back at his best. If Rooney's fit he could potentially replace Mata. If we make these improvements to the side that matched Chelsea, I can see us getting a good draw or even a win here.
EDIT: So:
DDG*/Rooney if fit
Rafa Smalling Rojo Shaw
Blind
Herrera
Di Maria Mata* Januzaj
Falcao
Last edited:One of these days we are gonna deliver them a full on tanking, it may not be this day but it will be sweet when it happens.
We have been awful away this season don't expect it to change here. Our own worse enemy at the back. IF we stay steady and keep our shape we have a chance at a result.
I like this
City will dick us, at least 4-1.
Hopefully, come Sunday evening I'll be laughed at for being an overly pessimistic tosser.I don't really understand why people have lineups without van persie in them, what this season has shown you that hes not going to be picked?
Unless he is injured or has a long ass stinker of a month I don't think hell be dropped.
I hope Wazza and falcao are fit for this as well,all 3 of them on the pitch at the same can drag defenders all over the place.I want the same 10 that showed up for Chels. The only change I would like is Mata out and either Ander in for a 4-3-3, or Falcao in and go with a old fashioned 4-4-2
Presumably they're the line-ups they want, not necessarily the ones they expect.
That's all I want. I believe in this team, and I honestly think we're going to do it.
Though City are not as big a threat on then as Chelski... Set pieces would be big issue with that team.
The only change affecting that is Fellaini out for Herrera. Useful as Fellaini is for defending set-pieces, we can't include him just because for that reason - we need to be able to do it without him. As you say, City aren't quite as dangerous from set-pieces as Chelsea so hopefully that balances out.I just want to see us look like we give a shit. Last season we went down without a whimper in both games, and City have found it far too easy against us for a while now.
Remember the fight we showed in the 4-3? We need to show some of that, as opposed to the last 2 or 3 games where everyone stands round looking for someone to blame.We will lose this 5-0
That;s what people said before Chelsea. Where's the belief?No diamond for this game, we need protection on the wings. Di Maria should go back in cm after this match, squad is still unbalanced so we just have to accomodate a bit atm.
-----------DeGea--------------
Rafael-Smalling-Rojo-Shaw
---Herrera-Blind-Fellaini----
---DiMaria-RvP-Januzaj----Think Fellaini's done enough to earn a start again, great in the last two. Another match i think we need a bit of a physical approach. I'd like to see Herrera over Mata and Di Maria come central again.
----------De Gea-------------
Rafael-Smalling-Rojo-Shaw
-----------Blind--------------
-----Herrera---Fellaini-----
-----------------Di Maria----
---Januzaj-------------------
----------Van Persie--------
Maybe something like this. Not a clue what rigid formation this comes under, a loose 433 i guess, but they know their roles. Hopefully Carrick and Falcao get some minutes too.
Was tempted to go with Valencia on the right for his physical presence plus protection for Rafael, we saw last season how they got at us down the right and opened us up. But i just. Couldn't. Bring. Myself. To. Do. It...
Behen chodh firse? Ma chudao lagta hai aapas me ek dusre ki gaand fadne me lage hai training me. Koi inko batao behenchodh gand opposition ki marni hai ek dusre ki nai. Kutte sale, Lelo ek dusre ki aur sare fans ki.Dare we dream?
If we manage to pull it off and come out with 3 points I would love to see the faces of our rivals and their excuses. The meltdown thread may add another 10 pages. They all said we will get hammered by Chelsea, now that that is done and dusted, they are all quiet on that front and now moved on to we will get thrashed by city. Funny that?- Falcao up against Mangala could be tasty.
- Can we please just play the same back 4 in consecutive games? - most other teams manage it but we seem to struggle to keep 4 defenders fit for two games in a row.
- Rooney being injured would be ridiculously annoying, however after watching the MNF analysis of the Chelsea game it was clear to see the tactical job Mata had, and he carried it out very well. I wonder how Rooney will handle having to be tactically disciplined in these big games. He has a tendency when we are chasing a game to run all over and chase every lost cause, sometimes to the detriment of the teams shape. Remember the games vs Madrid 2 seasons ago Fergie picked Welbeck to man mark Xabi Alonso over Rooney. Mata won't get any credit because he didn't get a goal or assist but both he and Fellaini did a good job nullifying Fabregas and Matic (Fellaini more robustly than Mata, obviously). Fabregas completed just 5 passes in the first half. If Rooney is fit though, he should and will start, but it'll be interesting to see how he performs in what is likely to be another very tactical game.
Only thing is, we've been better at home than we've been on the road. I think City will go all guns blazing, they won't sit back if they go a goal up and allow is possession as Mourinho did.
Not surprising given that Valencia completely hung Smalling out to dry for their first goal last season.Chelsea lost the game themselves, we really weren't all that impressive. The reason Chelsea dropped points is because of Mourinho's insistence to preserve this "Special One" persona rather than follow the bloody obvious leads. Any team that sets out to attack us will ultimately get at least a point - our defence is just that shambolic. Let alone Chelsea, who could easily get 3 and a solid boost to their goal difference. Even if you say they lacked Costa and decided to play it safe, Hazard and Oscar could have ripped through our defence any way they wanted to. Had Chelsea went for the jugular, we would have been wheezing after the pounding we'd receive. That's literally the cheat code to play Manchester United these days. Just attack and we will inevitably fold. Instead, Mou thought he was so special, he didn't need shortcuts and could win the game his own way. You have to be a bloody idiot to think it's easy to keep a 1 goal lead away against any team, let alone our team. Even Charlton would go all guns blazing in injury time, at home, under the premise of stealing a point. It's back to basics stuff.
City won't make that mistake and they won't try to walk away with a 1 goal win. They will come at us and come at us hard. They've lost their last game, they're at home and this game has historically always been their biggest of the season. Our defence has no chance against Aguero and Dzeko and even if we catch them on the counter a couple of times - we'd easily get outscored. This tumescent bunch at the back just has no chance against City's blistering pace in attack.
Formation-wise, we should play the same 1-4-1-4-1 that we used against Chelsea. The formation held its own very well, however I'd rotate the squad a bit. Januzaj off, for starters. His confidence is deteriorating and he's clearly not on song, not a glimpse of the form we saw last season. At this rate, he'll only get worse. Needs a breather and some assessment, maybe the spotlight last season got to him and he well and truly believes he's Ryan Giggs the second, he could use a reality check. I'm sure he can come back from this. Smalling was surprisingly effective, I expect him to stay in the starting 11 over Jones, who might not even be back from injury back then. Ideally, I'd also want to see how McNair can handle a big game. Our back 4 is already shambolic, how much worse can a kid make it? Rojo is a liability through and through, though he's a new signing so I expect to see him in the 11 as well. I wish the same "new signings should always play the 90" applied to Radamel bloody Falcao whom sat warming RvP's spot for 80 minutes against West Brom. If he's fit - he should start. RvP is not half the player Falcao is anymore and we can use all the quality we can get. If Rooney is not fit, that's a major blow for us, but Mata picked up his game last time.
What I want:
De GeaIf Valencia is injured, maybe try Di Maria on the right and Young on the left. I know I'm advocating Ashley fecking Young in the first team, but I just wouldn't trust Adnan with such a high octane match. He needs to start slow all over again, a cool head and knowing his boundaries is all the kid needs to become our next Ronnie.
Rafael - Smalling - McNair - Shaw
Blind
Valencia - Fellaini - Mata - Di Maria
Falcao
What I expect:
De Gea
Rafael - Jones - Rojo - Shaw
Blind
Felaini - Mata
Di Maria - van Persie - Januzaj
I don't speak scouse mate, sorry.This game will be tougher than the Chelsea game, probably stating the obvious but still. I watched the City - Chelsea game and they were very impressive. I don't take too much out of the draw vs CSKA & the defeat to West Ham because they will be up for this game, for sure.
They will dominate possession, that's a given so we should be looking to play on the counter. If Rooney is fit I would start him over Mata, if not Herrera in his place to give us more energy and tenacity in the middle. I don't actually think Mata was terrible vs Chelsea, he played well enough in the first half but faded a bit in the second. I just think we would also need more of a physical prescence vs City and someone that will work without the ball, because City move the ball so well and exploit space.
De Gea
Rafael--Smalling--Rojo--Shaw
Fellaini--Blind
Herrera*
Januzaj--van Persie--Di Maria
I would prefer Falcao to start but that won't be happening. *Rooney if fit.Falcao vs Mangala will be an interesting battle, if Falcao is fit. You can bet your bottom dollar that Toure who has done feck all this season will turn up and pull us apart.
Maybe that is a good thing as that opens them up? After Chelsea scored their goal it was the most boring 15 mins of my life watching them passing between defenders. If we concede that we going to leak goals to city, might as well try to outscore them?Blind v Silva will be the making of the match IMO.
Silva has been instrumental recently, and I expect Aguero to be the lone man up top.
I am more confident with Herrera and Fellaini against Toure and Fernando than I have ever been, hopefully Fella takes his recent good form and isn't scared.
Shaw will more than match Navas' pace.
Up top RVP may struggle against Kompany and Mangala, but we have to hope Di Maria turns up this time.
Navas isnt even that Good. Overhyped because of his pace
Perhaps, but he seem's to be a big game player and can put in a decent delivery. I certainly would rather play against Milner!.- Status
Man of the Match
Runners-up
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27%
Luke Shaw
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13%
Marouane Fellaini
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9%
Wayne Rooney
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4%
Daley Blind
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3%
Chris Smalling
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1%
Michael Carrick
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1%
Angel Di Maria
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1%
Antonio Valencia
Player Ratings
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Compiled from 477 ratings.
Score Predictions
437,254,173
- Man Utd win
- Man City win
- Draw
Detailed Results
- 24% Man City 1:2 Man Utd
- 11% Man City 2:2 Man Utd
- 8% Man City 3:1 Man Utd
- 8% Man City 2:1 Man Utd
- 7% Man City 2:3 Man Utd
- 6% Man City 1:3 Man Utd
- 5% Man City 1:1 Man Utd
- 4% Man City 0:2 Man Utd
- 3% Man City 2:0 Man Utd
- 3% Man City 0:1 Man Utd
- 3% Man City 0:5 Man Utd
- 2% Man City 0:0 Man Utd
- 2% Man City 3:2 Man Utd
- 2% Man City 3:0 Man Utd
- 2% Man City 4:1 Man Utd
- 1% Man City 5:0 Man Utd
- 1% Man City 1:0 Man Utd
- 1% Man City 2:4 Man Utd
- 1% Man City 0:3 Man Utd
- 1% Man City 3:3 Man Utd
- 1% Man City 1:5 Man Utd
- 0% Man City 1:4 Man Utd
- 0% Man City 4:0 Man Utd
- 0% Man City 4:2 Man Utd
- 0% Man City 5:1 Man Utd
- 0% Man City 2:5 Man Utd
- 0% Man City 5:5 Man Utd
- 0% Man City 4:4 Man Utd
- 0% Man City 4:5 Man Utd
- 0% Man City 3:4 Man Utd
- 0% Man City 0:4 Man Utd
- 0% Man City 5:2 Man Utd
- 0% Man City 5:3 Man Utd
Match Stats
- Man City
- Man Utd
- Possession
- 52% 48%
- Shots
- 17 9
- Shots on Target
- 6 2
- Corners
- 7 4
- Fouls
- 15 9
Referee
Michael Oliver
Man Utd Lineup
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replaced by Michael Carrick
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replaced by James Wilson
