Liverpool 1:2 Manchester United

Di Maria's angel · Mar 18, 2015

Barney said:
I haven't said you're shit, nor have I said we're amazing.

The bold isn't my opinion. It was what was being said a few weeks ago by United supporters in the Liverpool thread and the top four thread.

Ahh, I hate the word delusion. Too many people, including yourself, use it whenever they disagree with someone else's opinion.

The statement "your best chance of scoring against us is by hoofing the ball to Fellaini", to me, implies that we're shit and you're a level above us. As we'd have to play like a mid-table and/or relegation threatened side to score against your incredible defense.

The word delusion will be thrown around when you and your fellow Liverpool supporters (heck, anyone) spouts crap like the above statement in a condescending manner.

Big red123 · Mar 18, 2015

Jesus, let it go.

Our best chance is hoofing the ball up to Fellaini and their best chance is not slipping up.

Rafateria · Mar 18, 2015

Blind and Young on one wing and Di Maria & Valencia on the other. Contain those wings and Liverpool win because United don't / can't go through the centre as they don't have the players for it when Rooney is playing up top.

I'd go for Markovic over Lallana because he has the pace to stay with Young. Same goes for Moreno on the other wing, though he must stop fouling and I wouldn't be too downcast to see Johnson there.

Sterling does much better when he has cover behind him and doesn't have to commit himself to defence so he should go RW (where he is usually damn good) and not RWB. Regardless of him not having returned to form yet after his injury you can't leave our best, most accurate, finisher out of the team, so Studge up front.

-----------------Ming------------------

----Can--------Skrtel--------Sakho

Markovic----Hendo-Allen----Moreno

------Sterling------------Coutinho
-----------------Sturridge

Browniee · Mar 18, 2015

Big red123 said:
Team should be

-----------De Gea

Rafa-Smalling-Jones-Shaw

-------Carrick-Ander

-Di Maria---Fellaini---Young

---------Rooney

But of course Van Gaal will have to fit his son Blind in somewhere

So he should, our best outfield player this season. I'd prefer him to Carrick.

Rafateria · Mar 18, 2015

3rdCarter said:
He thinks we aren't good enough to go there and play football under the amount of pressure Liverpool will put on us. I'd rather sit back and counter than sit back and hoof to felz myself

Midfield is key this game tbh. carrick/herrera and Felz need to play how they played against spurs and we need our wingers to be fast and decisive. Also if we go down we need to keep our heads.

As much as many say spurs playing woeful led to our win, if liverpool or arsenal/city had put on a similar performance we wouldn't be hearing that bs. It would be all praise for how they controlled, dominated and destroyed spurs with a first half of great football.

I agree that midfield is the key for Liverpool, I think the wings are key for United, as I posted above. I don't see your midfield three (and I think it will be those three you listed) stopping the slick passing and dribbling of Coutinho & Allen and Henderson's energy. Likewise I believe it is crucial for Liverpool to stop Young and Di Maria, for that we need speedy WBs and Sakho and Can to play to their best.

Spurs were abysmal, they hardly had a midfield at times, however I also agree that supporters tend to say Team B played badly when Team A wins rather than credit Team A for forcing them to play badly due to tactics or pressure. And therein lies the crux ... Liverpool will put United under far more pressure far more quickly than Spurs and our midfield is far stronger. It will be a different ball-game and using Spurs and Swansea as the barometers for this match is wrong.

Rafateria · Mar 18, 2015

Browniee said:
So he should, our best outfield player this season. I'd prefer him to Carrick.

Blind's lack of pace may find I'm lacking in this match but if he is going to play then keeping him at LB with Carrick in the centre is your best option. Blind and Carrick in CM is going to be far too slow for this game.

Rafateria · Mar 18, 2015

ivaldo said:
Because it wasn't just the defenders, you utterly failed to stop ball coming into him and when he dropped deeper to pick up the ball he manhandled your midfielders, tactically you didn't have a clue how to deal with him. For what it's worth I'd much prefer Fellaini to be going up against Can than Toure.

It's very difficult to stop a hoof out of defence. Maybe if we had brought in some of the Lakers defence it would have worked ..... and hasn't everyone else in this thread saying that Fellaini isn't just about hoofing it up to him ? So where is the comparison ?

Rafateria · Mar 18, 2015

DWelbz19 said:
Because all your defenders are shite at dealing with aerial balls and physical scraps.

ROFL ! Early season I'd agree, however you don't get through the last 6 PL away games without conceding a goal if your defenders are shite at dealing with aerial balls and physical scraps. But hey who am I to deny you your wishful thinking.

Sherzad · Mar 18, 2015

De Gea
Rafael Smalling jones Shaw
Valencia Di Maria Carrick Hereera Young
Rooney

Hit them with pace and enough bodies in midfield also solid on the wings

ivaldo · Mar 18, 2015

Rafateria said:
It's very difficult to stop a hoof out of defence. Maybe if we had brought in some of the Lakers defence it would have worked ..... and hasn't everyone else in this thread saying that Fellaini isn't just about hoofing it up to him ? So where is the comparison ?

Except they didn't just hoof it out of defense, they played some very attractive football out times, particularly in the first half. They played the ball forward quickly, but it was controlled directness, there's a big, big difference.

Rafateria said:
ROFL ! Early season I'd agree, however you don't get through the last 6 PL away games without conceding a goal if your defenders are shite at dealing with aerial balls and physical scraps. But hey who am I to deny you your wishful thinking.

I bet you'd tell us our defense was shit yet we've got the 3rd best defense in the league, better than yours. Based on your reliance on statistical evidence the fact we have more points, scored more and conceded less means you've got no chance right?

Big red123 · Mar 18, 2015

Browniee said:
So he should, our best outfield player this season. I'd prefer him to Carrick.

When that player plays the same position as Carrick and Carrick is 10 times better. Yes.

lalloyd · Mar 18, 2015

Despite the quality performance vs Spurs, I'd bite your hand off for a draw. COME ON UNITED.

Dumbstar · Mar 18, 2015

Barney said:
You played very well against a demoralised Tottenham. I can't see us gifting you goals like they did though. Sticking Fellaini on Can and hitting long balls to him is absolutely your best chance at getting something out of our defence.

Bingo. And Allen / Hendo won't be letting Rooney get the second balls.

SalfordRed1960 · Mar 18, 2015

PickledRed said:
Probably best to not use a sample of one game to extrapolate the level of confidence of a team.

But that is what you were doing with reference to the Spurs game.

Insanity · Mar 18, 2015

Very nervous and at the same time excited for this game. Lots at stake here. Win and we would be almost certain of a top 4 spot, lose and the odds will be stacked against us.

I think the first 20-25 minutes may well decide the outcome of the game. Liverpool will try and blitz us in the initial period and our ability to deal with that will be paramount. I hope we go toe to toe with them. We don't look very good sitting back, soaking the pressure.

Two changes I'll make will be Shaw for Blind and Mata for Di Maria.

Shaw because he has the pace to deal with the Liverpool attack. I am afraid that Blind will be found out with Sterling/Lalana and Markovich running at him.

As good as Mata was in the last game, Di Maria's pace can be useful on the counter in this game. He can also track back and help Valencia better than Mata.

De Gea
Valencia Smalling Jones Shaw
Carrick
Herrera Fellani
Di Maria Rooney Young

Think we'll see a result. 2-1 to either team.

EASTSIDE777 · Mar 18, 2015

Hopefully we start with the same line up as the Spurs game. Shaw is to injury prone I'd personally leave him on the side.

Dumbstar · Mar 18, 2015

Big red123 said:
I think alot of people are going to come crashing down to earth on Sunday. Too many people are believing we have turned a corner because of the Spurs match.

Close thread.

UnitedinRed · Mar 18, 2015

Barney said:
No one has said that the only chance you have of getting past our defence is by hoofing it to Fellaini. We have only said that is your best chance. And it is.

That may well be true and we will certainly utilise that throughout the game (why wouldnt we?). Your best chance is likely to be a lucky deflection or a worldie.

Based on recent history anyway.

Dumbstar · Mar 18, 2015

Red Katie said:
You keep banging on about "hoofing the ball to Fellaini" and that is how United have the best chance of winning. Can you clarify why you think so?

Sorry for ignoring the question I'm trying to get to a keyboard. Utd have done well this season. A large part of that lately is because of Fellaini. He causes trouble that upsets oppo tactics and confidence.

He doesn't do all that because he plays like Messi. He does it by playing like a midfield Andy Carroll. He is the only player in your team I would wish didn't play, bad cold or whatever.

Catt · Mar 18, 2015

Dumbstar said:
Sorry for ignoring the question I'm trying to get to a keyboard. Utd have done well this season. A large part of that lately is because of Fellaini. He causes trouble that upsets oppo tactics and confidence.

He doesn't do all that because he plays like Messi. He does it by playing like a midfield Andy Carroll. He is the only player in your team I would wish didn't play, bad cold or whatever.

Have to disagree we have done well and I think if anything, we have underperformed this year. Anyway, about your point about Fellaini, isn't that pretty much saying you don't rate any of the United players and that we can't beat you without playing long to Fellaini?

Rafateria · Mar 18, 2015

ivaldo said:
I bet you'd tell us our defense was shit yet we've got the 3rd best defense in the league, better than yours. Based on your reliance on statistical evidence the fact we have more points, scored more and conceded less means you've got no chance right?

What a very weird, concocted, post that is. Totally irrelevant to the comment I made. Strange lad, paranoid or what.

PickledRed · Mar 18, 2015

SalfordRed1960 said:
But that is what you were doing with reference to the Spurs game.

When?

Catt · Mar 18, 2015

Dumbstar said:
Close thread.

You are that confident you'll win? Of course you may well win this match but Liverpool have hardly been excellent despite the good run. Maybe it's just me but the attitude of some of the oppo fans are a bit off.

royboy16 · Mar 18, 2015

Tyrion said:
True but there's 2 sides to that. Were they rubbish because we made them look rubbish or were we good because they made us look good? We'll need to see similar performances and results over the next few games to know either way but we played better than we have all season and anyone who thinks that was all down to Spurs is being silly.

I said it a while back: our players and manager are better than theirs. If we sort ourselves out and play to our potential, we'll get 4th (at least) and there's not much they can do.

A fair point but a team chasing Champions league qualification shouldn't need any motivation,It was also a similar performance from them where we outplayed them first half at WHL.

PickledRed · Mar 18, 2015

UnitedinRed said:
That may well be true and we will certainly utilise that throughout the game (why wouldnt we?). Your best chance is likely to be a lucky deflection or a worldie.

Based on recent history anyway.

So in the 8 wins from the past 10 games our most likely goal source has been stunners or deflections?

Tom Van Persie · Mar 18, 2015

I hope we smash them on Sunday. Liverpool fans are terrible when their team has been in good form. So annoying and over confident.

Hopefully Rojo and Shaw are available for Sunday. Anybody know when they're back?

Shark · Mar 18, 2015

Tom Van Persie said:
I hope we smash them on Sunday. Liverpool fans are terrible when their team has been in good form. So annoying and over confident.

Hopefully Rojo and Shaw are available for Sunday. Anybody know when they're back?

They're either on top of the world, or completely hopeless regarding their chances of winning. There's no happy medium with Liverpool fans. It'll be funny if we put three early goals past them on Sunday, imagine the shock.

Browniee · Mar 18, 2015

Big red123 said:
When that player plays the same position as Carrick and Carrick is 10 times better. Yes.

10x better than blind in the holding role? Really...
Carricks good, but he's not that good.

Big red123 · Mar 18, 2015

Browniee said:
10x better than blind in the holding role? Really...
Carricks good, but he's not that good.

Look at how much better we play everytime he returns to the team.

ivaldo · Mar 18, 2015

Rafateria said:
What a very weird, concocted, post that is. Totally irrelevant to the comment I made. Strange lad, paranoid or what.

Not at all, did you have trouble understanding it? Bless.

Its simple. You've stated that because you've kept clean sheets it MUST mean your defense is good at defending high balls and a physical approach. On your logic we have scored more goals and conceded less whilst having accumulated more points than you therefore we MUST have a better team than you. Unless you're happy to agree with tgat statement then i guess you agree statistics don't tell the whole story mate.

caisenma · Mar 18, 2015

de gea
rafael - smalling - rojo - shaw
di maria carrick blind - young
--------fellaini
--------rooney

not my choice for a line up, but other than rafael, this is what i expect for for a starting 11.

can hardly wait to read for ashley young to continue his "best form since signing for united" / "our best player this year other that DDG".

Dumbstar · Mar 18, 2015

Red Katie said:
Have to disagree we have done well and I think if anything, we have underperformed this year. Anyway, about your point about Fellaini, isn't that pretty much saying you don't rate any of the United players and that we can't beat you without playing long to Fellaini?

Yes that's what I'm saying. Its my opinion, not a WUM. I do rate some of your players, Rooney and De Gea mainly, but not the whole package you have at the moment. Fellaini is your X-Factor for whatever reasons.

Kraftwerker · Mar 18, 2015

Captain Hindsight said:
The statement "your best chance of scoring against us is by hoofing the ball to Fellaini", to me, implies that we're shit and you're a level above us. As we'd have to play like a mid-table and/or relegation threatened side to score against your incredible defense.

The word delusion will be thrown around when you and your fellow Liverpool supporters (heck, anyone) spouts crap like the above statement in a condescending manner.

It's fear. They smell a defeat and are getting the excuses in early.

We tore them apart earlier in the season by exploiting gaps and playing through them.

This will be a different game but no reason why we don't take the same approach, fresh off the back looking close to our best against Spurs, and Liverpool looking shaky with a team playing around them.

We can quite feasibly win and dominate the game with possession football. If we also use long passes to Fellaini to exploit an additional weakness in their backline, so be it.

Dumbstar · Mar 18, 2015

Red Katie said:
You are that confident you'll win? Of course you may well win this match but Liverpool have hardly been excellent despite the good run. Maybe it's just me but the attitude of some of the oppo fans are a bit off.

No of course I'm not 100% confident we'll win. Was just offering my opinion if LvG is likely to play the same team against us, i.e. Blind facing Sterling, then you'll be in big trouble. I don't think LvG will play like that away from home.

Like people have been saying on here Rojo and/or Shaw will come back to shore that side up.

ivaldo · Mar 18, 2015

Dumbstar said:
No of course I'm not 100% confident we'll win. Was just offering my opinion if LvG is likely to play the same team against us, i.e. Blind facing Sterling, then you'll be in big trouble. I don't think LvG will play like that away from home.

Like people have been saying on here Rojo and/or Shaw will come back to shore that side up.

Are you not nervous of Sterling playing wingback and Fellaini just floating into that space every time we have the ball like he did against Spurs? Because frankly, that's as much of a no contest as you're claiming Sterling v Blind is.

Catt · Mar 18, 2015

Dumbstar said:
Yes that's what I'm saying. Its my opinion, not a WUM. I do rate some of your players, Rooney and De Gea mainly, but not the whole package you have at the moment. Fellaini is your X-Factor for whatever reasons.

See this is why people think it's a wum, myself included. Fellaini's been good but we clearly have some very good fotballers capable of producing good football.

Barney · Mar 18, 2015

Kraftwerker said:
It's fear. They smell a defeat and are getting the excuses in early.

Are you having a laugh?

Kraftwerker · Mar 18, 2015

Barney said:
Are you having a laugh?

Nope. It's fairly obvious.

Barney · Mar 18, 2015

Kraftwerker said:
Nope. It's fairly obvious.

"We. Are. Manchester United. They. Are. Worried."

Kraftwerker · Mar 18, 2015

Barney said:
"We. Are. Manchester United. They. Are. Worried."

You getting Stockholm Syndrome Barns?

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