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Liverpool 0:0 Manchester United

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    Good thing is we play them after the international break. Think they were on form, now i dont see us losing 4-0, but 2-1.
     
    I can relax a bit after todays results. A loss wouldn't be a complete disaster, win by 4 and we go top!
     
    Liverpool win by 1 goal = Liverpool 3rd, United 7th/8th (depending on Crystal Palace's result tonight)
    Liverpool win by 2 goals = Liverpool 2nd, United 7th/8th (depending on Crystal Palace's result tonight)
    Liverpool win by 3 or more goals = Liverpool 1st, United 7th/8th (depending on Crystal Palace's result tonight)
    Draw = Liverpool 4th, United 7th
    United win by 1 goal = Liverpool 4th, United 6th
    United win by 2 goals = United 4th, Liverpool 5th

    United 3 points behind fourth currently. A loss would make that five points with a trip to Stamford Bridge to come.
    Winning by 2 the best result then, just need to step up our game and get it done.
     
    Gini is playing deeper for us than he did at Newcastle. Probably lallana is a shout but merse is making the comparison, not me.
    You might say Mata is playing further forward than Pogba but then it's probably not that simple. Does Wijnaldum play distinctly deeper than Lallana, would you say?
     
    To be honest..I don't think I blame any of them for being a bit confident....they are playing well...and they are at home!
    I don't as well. In fact, I have also said that we will get hammered by Pool 1-3, 1-4 and I'm thinking of placing a substantial bet on Pool to win. I don't have a good feeling about this match at all, which makes it all the more sweeter if I'm proven wrong. I really hope Mourinho realize how important this match is to us.
     
    There's sort of some logic in here, player by player we clearly have the better players.

    The problem, is that Liverpool now have a real effective distinct style which looks to be a bit of a goal fest fantasy, while we're too early in to have a definitive way of playing yet.

    Add to that we have a tonne load of things to sort out, like the Rooney issue, getting Miki integrated, and Martial back to last year's form, how to get Rashford involved when Ibra is taking his preferred position, and the little aspect of how to best use our 90m man!
    Throw in a collection of expensive midfielders who still don't quite offer what we need, and we still need a chunk of sorting out.

    Spot on.
     
    You might say Mata is playing further forward than Pogba but then it's probably not that simple. Does Wijnaldum play distinctly deeper than Lallana, would you say?

    Actually they take turns, they rotate and cover.
    I was at the Leicester game and it's the first time ever sat in a live game I wasn't able to figure out our formation. Genuinely wasn't sure if it was 433 or a 226.(with the ball)

    One min lallana was central and firminio out wide then they would pop up on the right with mane in the middle.

    Even without the ball Liverpool players create pressing shadows all over the pitch. It's quite something to watch.

    I think utd need to play mata Micki and Pogba. Think you need players who are comfortable on the ball. Fallani plays and you're doomed imo.
     
    I might have read it from other threads but I am pretty sure most of you are coming off as really smug saying you can beat us comfortably.
    I haven't seen any of that. I for one am not confident because of the weight of expectation on us to win the game.
    Liverpool win by 1 goal = Liverpool 3rd, United 7th/8th (depending on Crystal Palace's result tonight)
    Liverpool win by 2 goals = Liverpool 2nd, United 7th/8th (depending on Crystal Palace's result tonight)
    Liverpool win by 3 or more goals = Liverpool 1st, United 7th/8th (depending on Crystal Palace's result tonight)
    Draw = Liverpool 4th, United 7th
    United win by 1 goal = Liverpool 4th, United 6th
    United win by 2 goals = United 4th, Liverpool 5th

    United 3 points behind fourth currently. A loss would make that five points with a trip to Stamford Bridge to come.
    That would be nice.
     
    I might have read it from other threads but I am pretty sure most of you are coming off as really smug saying you can beat us comfortably.

    Well that's just rubbish to be honest. I haven't seen any evidence of anything smug, just comments that we are playing well but it is going to be a tough game.
     
    What the heck has that to do with the question 2 posters have asked you?
    Based on your absurd claims Leicester have a better team than anyone in the league - correct? So how many of their players would get in United's team? Quite a lot I assume as they are the best team....

    I don't care how many Liverpool players would get in a combined eleven, it's not important - how they play & perform as a team is.

    Your comments on Coutinho are laughable also. "Hit and Hope - one trick pony", Firmino is "slow" and then earlier you claim others know nothing about football?!

    You are so biased and blinkered it's unbelievable.
    Scroll back a few pages, even United fans are saying the same.

    "We won the FA cup what have you won" - grow up, how old are you about 12?
    Errr no. I was responding to a question because a poster attempted to catch me out on contradicting myself. How can you compare United to Liverpool when Liverpool have won a grand total of feck all recently? They got to two finals last season and choked. United at least have won the FA Cup this year. And to answer that question, Mahrez and probably Drinkwater would get into the side.
     
    Pretty sure Fellaini is going to play as a #8 like the second half against City.
     
    2 weeks ago City were these untouchable force that everyone from fans to pundits were pointing to casually walk and win the league.

    2 weeks later few things have gone south and some people are actually starting to think rationally rather than just reactionary kneejerk claims such as City walking the league.

    Now people have switched to Liverpool and we have talks of them smashing us. Something tells me in a week or 2 from now the narrative will once again change and people will be over rating yet another team due to how reactionary people are in general.
     
    There's no way United will get a win tomorrow, unless we get out of the block quickly which we haven't done this season. Going to be a result similar to city's. We don't seem to learn from our previous games.

    After the game is over, Carrick or Rooney will come out and say how disappointed they are for the fans and we need to put this behind us and learn from this and then go back to square one.

    Jose will put some player under the bus before reminding the world how great Zlatan is and the whole next week the media will take potshots at the club.

    Would really love United to just knock Liverpool away.
     
    I would like to think we will learn from the City match. I have some hope that United can do the business on Monday night.

    Certainly no where near as good as people are making them out to be (Liverpool).
     
    There's no way United will get a win tomorrow, unless we get out of the block quickly which we haven't done this season. Going to be a result similar to city's. We don't seem to learn from our previous games.

    After the game is over, Carrick or Rooney will come out and say how disappointed they are for the fans and we need to put this behind us and learn from this and then go back to square one.

    Jose will put some player under the bus before reminding the world how great Zlatan is and the whole next week the media will take potshots at the club.

    Would really love United to just knock Liverpool away.
    The game isn't tomorrow.
    And astonishingly, that's not even the worst part of the post.
    Awful, awful post.
     
    2 weeks ago City were these untouchable force that everyone from fans to pundits were pointing to casually walk and win the league.

    2 weeks later few things have gone south and some people are actually starting to think rationally rather than just reactionary kneejerk claims such as City walking the league.

    Now people have switched to Liverpool and we have talks of them smashing us. Something tells me in a week or 2 from now the narrative will once again change and people will be over rating yet another team due to how reactionary people are in general.

    Of the 13 times we've won the Premier League I can't remember us being pre-season favourites, other than in 1994 and 2000. It's ridiculous how often we get written off.

    Even more ridiculous how often people who get paid to talk and write football fall into truisms: declaring who will win and who will get top four after seven games...:rolleyes:
     
    Would be disappointed if United didn't start with three central mids. Afro, Pogba, Ander. Collectively, they can cover ground, provide passing to outlets and bring the energy. Secondly, Felliani is an outlet against the press. It's effective and it gets the job done. One of Martial or Marcus, if not both, will play an important role after the hour mark.
     
    Of the 13 times we've won the Premier League I can't remember us being pre-season favourites, other than in 1994 and 2000. It's ridiculous how often we get written off.

    Even more ridiculous how often people who get paid to talk and write football fall into truisms: declaring who will win and who will get top four after seven games...:rolleyes:

    I couldn't agree more. Given our recent form and the fact we are at home I would
    Make us slight favourites but I'm so bloody long in the tooth with football that I know absolutely anything can happen. The sweeping statements made by pundits and posters on here (and other forums) alike make me cringe at times.

    You have a great squad with the best manager in the world and the paints not yet dry in his office. At some point he absolutely will sort you out and you will be every bit as threatening as City (or dare I say it as we have looked for a few games..if we can continue this is the question)

    No reason why that won't happen Monday. That said I'd be very disappointed to loose and at the moment feel we can edge it

    All to play for
     
    I will bet anyone that Liverpool won't beat us tomorrow. I'm so confident, I'll even bet they won't even draw. Who wanna take the bet? Who is man enough to take it?
     
    Absolute cup final for us. Don't know whether we will win but this won't be an easy game for Liverpool.

    Oh don't do that....it's not your 'cup final' good lord if you loose your 6points off thee top with 57 to play for.
     
    The way we have been playing is not great but I think playing with some physicality will do more good than harm against Liverpool.

    Considering all of their players are more nimble maybe it's best to stick to what we have already done so far rather than change things too quickly.
     
    Ive just been arguing the toss with my mate who's a Liverpool fan. It started when I said Henderson was shite and it was a joke he was England captain. But I said that was not because he plays for Liverpool, I just don't rate him. He replied that he'd get in United midfield above Fellaini, Lingaard and even, as he said, Pogba at this moment.
     
    Wasn't Henderson deemed shite just 5 games ago by 'Pool fans? I can't keep up with the boom bust cycle of theirs.
     
    Ive just been arguing the toss with my mate who's a Liverpool fan. It started when I said Henderson was shite and it was a joke he was England captain. But I said that was not because he plays for Liverpool, I just don't rate him. He replied that he'd get in United midfield above Fellaini, Lingaard and even, as he said, Pogba at this moment.


    Think he's over cooking his eggs.

    I do however think he's better than most people think. I was under the impression he was the kind of guy to give you 100% but without that quality needed for top 4 teams. I think he has shown flashes of genuine top class ability this season but they are flashes. Also don't underestimate the sheer balls it takes to step into Gerrards shoes. He can't win 1) he's just not as good and never will be 2) when he try's to be the 'captain' gobbling off and throwing his weight about a bit..he is ridiculed for that. If he didn't bother he would be ridiculed also.

    End of the day Klopp doesn't suffer fools and I don't think he's let him keep the arm band if he didn't think he was a decent footballer.

    I think he's at a cross road this season if he can captain us to 4th playing most games and maybe even get the England captaincy most people will have to except that just because he's not a Gerrard Scholes or Lampard that you don't get those things without having something about you
     
    Find it odd how most pundits think this will be a straight forward win for Liverpool. Advantage them obviously, but we haven't played poorly. We just struggle to score at the moment.

    Just need Zlatan to get his goal scoring boots on again.
     
    Think he's over cooking his eggs.

    I do however think he's better than most people think. I was under the impression he was the kind of guy to give you 100% but without that quality needed for top 4 teams. I think he has shown flashes of genuine top class ability this season but they are flashes. Also don't underestimate the sheer balls it takes to step into Gerrards shoes. He can't win 1) he's just not as good and never will be 2) when he try's to be the 'captain' gobbling off and throwing his weight about a bit..he is ridiculed for that. If he didn't bother he would be ridiculed also.

    End of the day Klopp doesn't suffer fools and I don't think he's let him keep the arm band if he didn't think he was a decent footballer.

    I think he's at a cross road this season if he can captain us to 4th playing most games and maybe even get the England captaincy most people will have to except that just because he's not a Gerrard Scholes or Lampard that you don't get those things without having something about you
    Watch him bloody score on MondAy now!
     
    Of the 13 times we've won the Premier League I can't remember us being pre-season favourites, other than in 1994 and 2000. It's ridiculous how often we get written off.

    Even more ridiculous how often people who get paid to talk and write football fall into truisms: declaring who will win and who will get top four after seven games...:rolleyes:
    What I find ever more surprising are our own fans throwing in the towel this early. I understand journos and pundits talk rubbish and nonsense all the time and their analysis and opinions of things are very reactionary.

    We lost the league after leading the table by 6 points with 6 or so games to go not too long ago. United fans should be well aware of how the things aren't done until they're truly are yet you get this sense that the majority on these boards think there is no title hope for us just because we're 5 point off the top team with 31 odd games to go :lol:

    And we usually always get written off for some reason even when we were constantly dominating the league. Very odd.
     
    Wasn't Henderson deemed shite just 5 games ago by 'Pool fans? I can't keep up with the boom bust cycle of theirs.
    Welcome to the fickleness of fans. It wasn't really that long ago after they Burnley match where Henderson couldn't make a bloody simple pass that everyone was laughing at him and Pool fans were absolutely maddened because of him, wanting the guy to never kick a ball for them again :lol:

    Just like how reactionary they were back then they are doing they same again, this time by over rating him and putting him over the likes of Pogba :lol:

    And speaking of Pogba, his poor form is over exaggerated by everyone from rival fans, journos and our own fans. They guy has just come into a new teams, 7 games in and has 2 MOTM but those are quickly forgotten if he doesn't put in a brilliant performance while everyone else is allowed average games in the mix.
     
    He scored, then was made England captain, thus he was an instant legend for them.

    To be fair I think within any fan base there are extream opinions. He has a bad game..the haters rush out..he scores a worldly against Chelsea..those that think he's the second coming are banging the drums.

    If it was a 0-100 (100 being perfect replacement for Gerrard 0 being should be in the championship) I'd say I'm about 58. As said in previous post cross road season if he can captain us into 4th and (this is just bells and whistles) make a good captain with passable performances for England I think he I'll deserve some respect from other fans..at the moment that's all ifs and butts and coccanutts
     
    Find it odd how most pundits think this will be a straight forward win for Liverpool. Advantage them obviously, but we haven't played poorly. We just struggle to score at the moment.

    Just need Zlatan to get his goal scoring boots on again.
    From their point of view:
    • Liverpool have a settled team (they know their first 11, ours is still up in the air)
    • Liverpool are in good form (5 wins in a row, whereas we have 3 wins, 1 draw and 1 loss)
    • Liverpool's results against the teams at the top of the table
    • Mourinho's record v Klopp
    • Anfield factor
    And a lot of pundits are Liverpool fans.

    Really it could go either way but I can see their thinking.
     
    What I find ever more surprising are our own fans throwing in the towel this early. I understand journos and pundits talk rubbish and nonsense all the time and their analysis and opinions of things are very reactionary.

    We lost the league after leading the table by 6 points with 6 or so games to go not too long ago. United fans should be well aware of how the things aren't done until they're truly are yet you get this sense that the majority on these boards think there is no title hope for us just because we're 5 point off the top team with 31 odd games to go :lol:

    And we usually always get written off for some reason even when we were constantly dominating the league. Very odd.

    100 per cent agree. One of the reasons I was so surprised by the tone of the last United hour.

    I love the pod normally. This week's was so gloomy though. Predicting third place after seven games? Give over!

    I think we will beat Liverpool. Even if we don't though the league is still only eight games in. As you say we've thrown it away with fewer games to go. Why give in with 31 games to play?
     
    Can easily understand why some are predicting Liverpool to beat us, but some of the negative posts in here are astonishing to say the least.
     
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