Liverpool 0:0 Manchester United

redflair · Oct 14, 2016

It's amazing how many people are saying 'they're playing well right now' and 'we havent got a cat in hell's chance' but the key thing to remember is Liverpool haven't played for nearly two and a half weeks (us just a bit less) and that's a lifetime in Premier League terms.

The form both sides showed just before the break is almost irrelevant in this game because players like Henderson, Wijnaldum (and some of ours) have had messy international experiences and are unlikely to show the same feistiness, zip and intensity they had prior to their country's exploits.

I expect a very tight game with both teams have decent chances to win the game. But the night 'atmosphere' does suit Liverpool because the crowd will want United's blood as well as Mourinho's. That, admittedly, is an advantage to them.

Stookie · Oct 14, 2016

Many see Liverpool as favourites and this could favour United as it kinda eases the pressure a little. 0-1 for me.

johnny boy · Oct 14, 2016

iammemphis said:
Not confident for monday for some reason. Half our team need to really step it up after late Septembers form. If we start slow then the game could be over before its begun. Jose to play for the point is my guess.

Surely as manager of United, the attitude has to be to try and win the game?

Stookie · Oct 14, 2016

Crikey.....think that's the first time I've seen more people predicting an opposition win than a United one.

Finn MacCool · Oct 14, 2016

Liverpool are the form team but then again form goes out the window in these games
Utd have a good record at Anfield but then again Liverpool are due a home (league) win against Utd
Liverpool are great going forward but then again Mourinho knows how to set up a defence
Mourinho has a good record at Anfield but then again Klopp has a good record against Mourinho
Liverpool are weak at set pieces but then again how much of the ball will Utd have to create chances

Not an easy game to predict at the best of times, but with the added spice of Mourinho managing Utd this one is even tougher to call.

I love the build up to these games but I find the actual games are rarely enjoyable to watch, because they're usually very tight, and the fear of losing is too much. I will only relax in injury time if we're at least 3 goals ahead - which is highly unlikely. I predict a tight game with not too many clearcut chances - Mourinho will not open the game up, unless we score early.

Reddevilboy · Oct 14, 2016

Been reading Rawk matchday thread and their fans are so confident saying they will smash us 4-0, 4-1. Will be interesting to see how Mourinho set us up for this.

iammemphis · Oct 14, 2016

johnny boy said:
Surely as manager of United, the attitude has to be to try and win the game?

You would think, but theres alot at stake for United In this game. Jose will not want to lose this one.

Jaybomb · Oct 14, 2016

We'll beat them 3-0 and bring them back down to Earth.

Sky Sports is a joke naming a Liverpool/United XI and including 8 Liverpool players in it. What a farce. As if any of their players would make it in our starting 11. The only one I'd say would probably be Clyne. And that's purely because we don't have a proper RB. As for the likes of Firmino/Coutinho/Mane... Mkhitaryan/Mata/Martial are clearly the better players and the only people who say otherwise are biased ABU's and people who know feck all about football.

Paul Merson said he would rather have Henderson over Pogba. I can't even.

I've never wanted United to win a game so badly as this one. The media are so far up Liverpool and Klopp's arse, it's ridiculous. It reminds me of 13/14 when everyone thought Rodgers was the second coming and Stevie Me was gonna finally lift the Premier League.

johnny boy · Oct 14, 2016

Quite ironic you mention the word "biased" when you are probably the most biased & blinkered poster in the thread.

thejtrain · Oct 14, 2016

johnny boy said:
Quite ironic you mention the word "biased" when you are probably the most biased & blinkered poster in the thread.

Perhaps but TBF, Henderson over Pogba is a proper joke. Most would probably take a handicapped Pogba over Henderson any day of the week. But then these English commentators...

Finn MacCool · Oct 14, 2016

thejtrain said:
Perhaps but TBF, Henderson over Pogba is a proper joke. Most would probably take a handicapped Pogba over Henderson any day of the week. But then these English commentators...

I think the point Merson was making is he feels Henderson is playing better at the moment - not that he is a better player. Although with Merson you never know, he probably doesn't know himself what he meant.

IBleedRed · Oct 14, 2016

I am really excited for this.
I think we are going to get a positive result and it's on at a reasonable time.
I'm gonna leave work early and head to the only football pub in town. The energy should be intense!

sunama · Oct 14, 2016

thejtrain said:
Perhaps but TBF, Henderson over Pogba is a proper joke. Most would probably take a handicapped Pogba over Henderson any day of the week. But then these English commentators...

You are falling into the trap of "our players, man for man, are better". This is true, BUT, football matches are not won like this.
Last season LCFC did not have a squad (man for man), in the top 6, yet they won the title.
Similarly, for the last few seasons, MUFC have had a top 3 squad, yet never finished in the top 3 and lost to the likes of Noriwch and Bournemouth. And remember that Midgetland game? We lost to a team who only formed about 15 years ago!

So, lets not kid ourselves. Form-wise, LFC are the favourites and bookmakers have made them favourites to win, also.

notcool · Oct 14, 2016

I don't think we'll play Mata at No. 10. In the EL away game against them last season we were so poor because Mata couldn't press. I'd consider putting Mkhitaryan in there. I know it's a big game but I trust him. He is a good player after all, isn't he? Then Shaw to deal with Mane's pace and Blind (at CB) to help us play through their press. Martial had a good last game and I think against Liverpool he might want to show to can continue that. Lingard on the right because he never lets us down.

DDG
Valencia Bailly Blind Shaw
Herrera Pogba
Lingard Mkhitaryan Martial
Ibrahimovic

Antisocial · Oct 14, 2016

marukomu said:

Close to my team as well: I had Vidic over Stam, and Ronaldo on the right-wing to allow Sir Bobby upfront with King Eric - but United and Liverpool can be proud of either selection

Sammyjunn · Oct 14, 2016

donkeyfish said:
Almost 50% has predicted a loss? What a bunch of defeatist fans we have on here.

Is it because of that first half in Europa League?

Probably because Liverpool have looked stronger over a longer period of time.

Antisocial · Oct 14, 2016

donkeyfish said:
Almost 50% has predicted a loss? What a bunch of defeatist fans we have on here.

Is it because of that first half in Europa League?

Remember that there is a score prediction game going on, so we have to take it seriously, meaning we have to use our judgement on questions like if Liverpool will just put four past us, or will they go beyond that? A lot depends on how many penalties Anthony Taylor will give them to prove he's not biased to the Manc side (I've put Milner in my fantasy team to cover this anyway). Also there's the question of whether or not we'll get a consolation goal, so there's enough to be thinking about without venturing into the fantasy of us actually getting something from this one. This is serious business

donkeyfish · Oct 14, 2016

Sammyjunn said:
Probably because Liverpool have looked stronger over a longer period of time.

Although with blue-eyed reluctance, I guess I have to accept that point.

Antisocial said:
Remember that there is a score prediction game going on

Perhaps unsurprisingly, I'm not doing very well in that competition.

0-3!

SalfordRed1960 · Oct 14, 2016

johnny boy said:
Surely as manager of United, the attitude has to be to try and win the game?

Totally agree, p's me off any manager that doesn't go for a win from the off. Attack is the best form of defense.
Liverpool in form, out of form doesn't matter they will come at us as always from the off. We should oblige and expose their defensive frailties.

Klopper76 · Oct 14, 2016

SalfordRed1960 said:
Totally agree, p's me off any manager that doesn't go for a win from the off. Attack is the best form of defense.
Liverpool in form, out of form doesn't matter they will come at us as always from the off. We should oblige and expose their defensive frailties.

I think that's what Swansea and Burnley did well, at least early on. Both of them started the game aggressively and took an early advantage. We managed to turn it around against Swansea but against Burnley we found ourselves a goal down very early and then two goals down, finding ourselves in the position that we were going to need three goals. After that we struggled because we were under pressure to chase the game. I don't think anyone else has really done that against us.

BIGbadBOO4 · Oct 14, 2016

Tough tough fixture this. If we just play 2 in midfield we will be in serious trouble. I think we need 3 in midfield and I'm not including Mata in that 3. Personally pogba looks lost in a 2 man midfield. Real shame we didn't buy a good defensive cm in the summer.

Mciahel Goodman · Oct 14, 2016

------------De Gea
Valencia--Bailly--Blind--Shaw
--------Herrera--Pogba
--Lingard--Mata--Rashford
------------Zlatan

I'm going to go with this. Risky, but I think Shaw has a chance of starting because Blind's lack of pace could be a huge problem if he's up against Mane. I also think Lingard should start, and Rashford over Martial purely for work-rate. Who knows, though. Jose could easily pack the midfield with the likes of Fellaini and Carrick.

peridigm · Oct 15, 2016

I think this is going to be the hardest lineup to predict. Does Hose stick with Snalling at CB over Blind? Does Shaw start or will Blind play LB? I think we'll definitely see Herrera and Pogba in the middle though.

Champagne Football · Oct 15, 2016

I agree that it might be a mistake to play Mata in a game like this. Not sure Jose will risk Mkhitaryan without match sharpness and might have him come on in second half.

I think Liverpool are going to beat us but hopefully Jose has a trick up his sleeve and I'd like to see this line up and I'd have Blind over Shaw even though Mane has pace to tear Blind a new one but Blind has been more solid defensively than Shaw of late

------------De Gea
Valencia--Bailly-Smalling--Blind
----------Herrera--Carrick--
Martial-------Pogba-------Rashford
--------------Ibra---------------

bosnian_red · Oct 15, 2016

Im between 2 lineups here.... either the same side that played stoke but with Martial in for Lingard, or putting shaw at left back, taking out mata and putting blind in midfield for more control (martial and rashford on the wings again). Mkhitaryan might be fully fit but theres no way he is starting this as his first real game where he is fully fit. Probably europa game is more realistic. Carrick I cant see playing either, think Mourinuo might go for more energetic players which would normally make me think schneiderlin but he isnt very good so again, not sure. Thats why we lack that holding mid who will be first choice and then Herrera would be that player who comes in for the extra solidity. We'll see what he does i guess

Mciahel Goodman · Oct 15, 2016

It depends on whether or not Jose wants to sit back or get at them, really. If he's sitting back, then Pogba will be more advanced -- leaving no room for Mata, you'd think -- with two midfielders (probably Herrera and Fellaini/Schneiderlin) in behind. If he's going to try and get at them, then a midfield two of Herrera and Pogba with Mata ahead and take your pick of three wide players for two positions (Rashford, Lingard, Martial) with Ibra up top.

The Shaw selection is probably the toughest one to predict. He should start, purely because he's a better match in terms of pace. Then again, he hasn't been starting recently, so does Jose leave Smalling out in order to shift Blind to CB and accommodate Shaw at LB?

Very difficult to predict. Hopefully Jose knows exactly what he wants, though. I think we'll win this.

Wedge · Oct 15, 2016

I will never ever predict a liverpool, United will win this I just know it.

podurban2 · Oct 15, 2016

Hope to see;

DDG
Valencia Bailly Smalling Blind
Carrick
Herrera Pogba
Mata Zlatan Rashford

Only problem is it may lack pace, but hopefully Pogba can burst forward at times with Herrera and Carrick sitting deeper. Maybe Schneiderlin instead of Carrick if he's up for it, or even Blind with Shaw as LB.

I truly expect Blind to play, purely because of his corner taking skills, which could be important for us on Monday.

Champagne Football · Oct 15, 2016

I wouldn't completely rule Fellaini in a midfield alongside Herrera and Pogba if Jose plans to park the bus which is very possible.

Green_Red · Oct 15, 2016

We've won this fixture 4 in a row

Liver_bird · Oct 15, 2016

Dont really see how its possible to pick a post war combined xi given both sides have had so many title winning sides. Uniteds success being recently means its fresher in the memory. As for the game already said it before and outlined my thoughts, not confident at all. Specially if Wijnaldum and Lallana dont play.

Clas Sified · Oct 15, 2016

Champagne Football said:
I wouldn't completely rule Fellaini in a midfield alongside Herrera and Pogba if Jose plans to park the bus which is very possible.

Fellaini would get destroyed by Liverpool's high press. Mourinho hopefully will recognise this because even though I think Fellaini's been playing well this season, if he plays on Monday, we'll lose.

Champagne Football · Oct 15, 2016

Clas Sified said:
Fellaini would get destroyed by Liverpool's high press. Mourinho hopefully will recognise this because even though I think Fellaini's been playing well this season, if he plays on Monday, we'll lose.

I hope you're right. I'd much prefer to see any one of Carrick/Lingard/Fosu Mensah in a midfield 3 with Herrera and Pogba

Jaybomb · Oct 15, 2016

I'd go with

De Gea
Valencia - Smalling - Bailly - Shaw
Herrera - Pogba
Mkhitaryan - Mata - Martial
Zlatan

Maybe swap Lingard in for Mkhitaryan. I'm not sure if he's 100% fit or not and Jose might prefer Lingard's workrate in this match. The reason I go with Shaw over Blind is because one of them will be coming up against Mane.

Lawman · Oct 15, 2016

Jaybomb said:
I'd go with

De Gea
Valencia - Smalling - Bailly - Shaw
Herrera - Pogba
Mkhitaryan - Mata - Martial
Zlatan

Maybe swap Lingard in for Mkhitaryan. I'm not sure if he's 100% fit or not and Jose might prefer Lingard's workrate in this match. The reason I go with Shaw over Blind is because one of them will be coming up against Mane.

That team (like in the City game 1st half) will get battered in midfield. Mata needs replaced by a midfielder ala Carrick Morgan or Fellaini. I'm sure Jose won't make the same mistake again.

Mrs Smoker · Oct 15, 2016

Johnstone
Jones - Smalling - Tuanzebe - Shaw
Valencia - Carrick - Lingard - Young
Rooney - Rashford

Come on team. 5-4 please.

Lawman · Oct 15, 2016

Jaybomb said:
We'll beat them 3-0 and bring them back down to Earth.

Sky Sports is a joke naming a Liverpool/United XI and including 8 Liverpool players in it. What a farce. As if any of their players would make it in our starting 11. The only one I'd say would probably be Clyne. And that's purely because we don't have a proper RB. As for the likes of Firmino/Coutinho/Mane... Mkhitaryan/Mata/Martial are clearly the better players and the only people who say otherwise are biased ABU's and people who know feck all about football.

Paul Merson said he would rather have Henderson over Pogba. I can't even.

I've never wanted United to win a game so badly as this one. The media are so far up Liverpool and Klopp's arse, it's ridiculous. It reminds me of 13/14 when everyone thought Rodgers was the second coming and Stevie Me was gonna finally lift the Premier League.

WTF is this for real??

johnny boy · Oct 15, 2016

Lawman said:
WTF is this for real??

What does it matter , nobody listens to Merson anyway.
It also depends on the context in which he spoke, Pogba is clearly a great player but hasn't yet settled in the league whereas Henderson has been excellent this season playing in a re-vamped midfield 3 that has been very effective.

This whole he is better than him argument is a bit daft , it's a team game.
That said Pogba cost £89m - for that money you would hope he is the best midfielder in the world!

@Jaybomb is banging on again about how Liverpool players are essentially rubbish, but firstly missing the team game factor & the facts that the likes of Firmino have contributed far more this season to Liverpool than Micky Ryan (can't be bothered trying to spell properly), has so far for United.
He will no doubt be saying next West Brom, Bournemouth and chuffin QPR also have "better players" than we do.

It's how players fit and adapt into the manager's team and way of playing that are the important factor.

sullydnl · Oct 15, 2016

Think we're right to be nervous about this game as Liverpool currently look the better team. A win would be brilliant work on our part.

I've seen a few people say Mata should be dropped for this game but he did score two goals at Anfield not long ago. Definitely prefer having him on the pitch, I think.

johnny boy · Oct 15, 2016

sullydnl said:
Think we're right to be nervous about this game as Liverpool currently look the better team. A win would be brilliant work on our part.

I've seen a few people say Mata should be dropped for this game but he did score two goals at Anfield not long ago. Definitely prefer having him on the pitch, I think.

We are nervous too, I always am sat in the stands watching us play United at home - they are tense games.

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