Champions League Group A

Bayern Munich 4:3 Manchester United

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    • There was another positive to emerge from Tuesday's session, as Kobbie Mainoo took part in an individual light running exercise at Carrington.
    • The 18-year-old is on the comeback trail after suffering an injury during the 2-0 defeat to Real Madrid in the United States in July.
     
    strongwalker said:
    Have fun :)
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    I have already alluded to the fact that I don't think it'll be a night to remember (for the right reasons!). I'm taking my daughter actually - she's a big United fan - I did well there.

    You'll be there right? We should meet up - it's been too long!
     
    Good opportunity for Bayern to rest a few keys players as they face minnows man utd
     
    I know (and saw a bit) you didn't start well into the season but I wish I would be half as optimistic for the game as you are pessimistic.

    Our results were mostly good but we're not playing really good so far, at least not for 90 minutes.
    And your team and style is in theory our cryptonite.

    I expect you to defend very deep and wait for counter opportunities and I expect Tuchel to fear exactly that and thus ordering us to play with minimal risk and much control.
    It will be a boring game I think.
     
    Redstain said:
    I've not seen how Bayern play under Tuchel at any capacity but it wouldn't surprise me if United wins against the run of play.
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    Bayern and Tuchel was a very bumpy start no doubt. According to which media one reads, there may or may not be a stressed relationship between several players like Kimmich, Goretzka, even Müller and Tuchel, but the trend has been a positive one since the start of the season. This will not be a super-confident "no one can beat us" 19/20 version of the team, but the quality is there. some obvious disbalances in the squad have been fixed, especially by getting Kane. This is a first round match in a not-too-hard group so I'm not expecting fireworks
     
    Dans said:
    I have already alluded to the fact that I don't think it'll be a night to remember (for the right reasons!). I'm taking my daughter actually - she's a big United fan - I did well there.

    You'll be there right? We should meet up - it's been too long!
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    I agree it has been :) sadly I won't be there as I moved away from Munich and my ticket is parked with a friend. Might make the Bochum game on Saturday though :) (and a Maß of Löwenbräu)
     
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    Gabriel Djemba-Bebe said:
    Ronaldo was our highest paid player and far more of an "international celebrity" than Rashford is but Ten Hag wasn't afraid to drop him. Rashford will start because he's by far our most productive attacker.
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    When everything goes thru him off course he's the only productive output. Which says alot about how bad we are as a team when you have no other option but to lump it to Rashford
     
    Wing Attack Plan R said:
    Alternatively, we could have the entire team hold a Glazers Out banner and refuse to play. It would go down as 3-0 forfeit, but no injuries, no cards to worry about, and a respectable score line if we had actually played.

    All kidding aside, it’s adversity like this that will determine which players are worth their salt. If we had our first team available I think we could mock a win, but with the walking wounded, a draw would be fantastic.
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    If a 7-0 against Liverpool wont make them care what makes you think this time it'll be different
     
    Very fortunate that this is away to Bayern and not to Copenhagen or Galatasaray considering our terrible form and all the injuries.
     
    Feels like this is coming a week too soon for the returning trio of Varane, mount and Amrabat... unlucky.
     


    Although I didn't trust him first, dude was bang on about AWB. :lol:

    Seems like Mount and Amrabat won't be risked against Bayern. Should hopefully make the squad for the weekend.
     
    V.O. said:
    -----------------------------------Hope
    Blind optimism----Bruno Fernandes----Inshallah
    -------------------Dumb luck--------Moments
    Pipe dream----Top red----Positivity------Give yoof a chance
    -----------------------------God help us

    2-1 United.
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    Legit cracked up and choked on my coffee at this one. :lol:
     
    Think this game could go very badly for us.

    But, with seven much easier fixtures after that and players returning from injury, I also think it would probably get better from there.

    Hopefully we pull off a surprise and avoid that one last defeat.
     
    BayernFan87 said:
    I know (and saw a bit) you didn't start well into the season but I wish I would be half as optimistic for the game as you are pessimistic.

    Our results were mostly good but we're not playing really good so far, at least not for 90 minutes.
    And your team and style is in theory our cryptonite.

    I expect you to defend very deep and wait for counter opportunities and I expect Tuchel to fear exactly that and thus ordering us to play with minimal risk and much control.
    It will be a boring game I think.
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    I think you’ll win this by a 3-0 margin at least. We will try and defend deep and play out from the back which will end up in abject failure the moment the press is triggered as our backline will panic and lose possession. We also have a non existent midfield that is incapable of tracking back.
     
    sullydnl said:
    Think this game could go very badly for us.

    But, with seven much easier fixtures after that and players returning from injury, I also think it would probably get better from there.

    Hopefully we pull off a surprise and avoid that one last defeat.
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    If Bayern gets rolling early on, it could indeed. That being said, Bayern aren't the very stable defensively right now, so we aren't completely without a chance I would say, if it wasn't an away game. :nervous:
     
    NoLogo said:
    If Bayern gets rolling early on, it could indeed. That being said, Bayern aren't the very stable defensively right now, so we aren't completely without a chance I would say, if it wasn't an away game. :nervous:
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    Is that statement still based on Upa fecking it up vs City? Cause he was probably MOTM in both games vs PSG prior to that. We've let in 4 goals in 4 games, 2 of them vs leverkusen who I think has been one to watch under Alonso. Other than that I'd say we're pretty stable at the back even with the high line and press. Our weakness atm is our keeper. Ulreich has always been a terrific backup, but it kind of stops there. He can be a great shotstopper at times, but his delivery of the ball when going long is shite, and I almost have a hearthattack when he has the ball and gets pressed.
     
    Part of me thinks this could be one of those weird games like PSG away in the groups a few years back - couple of games after getting decked 6-1 by Spurs at home, injury crisis at the back, everyone expecting embarrassment - ended up with a McFred masterclass and Tuanzebe keeping Mbappe in his pocket all night.

    Probably won't be, but could be!
     
    Hakara said:
    Is that statement still based on Upa fecking it up vs City? Cause he was probably MOTM in both games vs PSG prior to that. We've let in 4 goals in 4 games, 2 of them vs leverkusen who I think has been one to watch under Alonso. Other than that I'd say we're pretty stable at the back even with the high line and press. Our weakness atm is our keeper. Ulreich has always been a terrific backup, but it kind of stops there. He can be a great shotstopper at times, but his delivery of the ball when going long is shite, and I almost have a hearthattack when he has the ball and gets pressed.
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    Admittedly, a lot of it is based on how you ended last season, I have only seen the game against Leverkusen. In that case, we are just completely fecked.
     
    I am listening to Bayerns press conference right now. Harry Kane saying with a straight face that Harry Maguire is one of the greatest defenders of England's history.
    Tuchel has mentioned that he saw some really good and dangerous stuff in the first 20 minutes against Brighton. He knows that the one strength we have at the moment is quick transition and counter attacking with Bruno, Rashford and Hojlund. He will do all he can to dominate us but avoid these kind of situations. Unfortunately he is not underestimating us.
     
    NoLogo said:
    Admittedly, a lot of it is based on how you ended last season, I have only seen the game against Leverkusen. In that case, we are just completely fecked.
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    End of last season was a clusterfeck in many areas on and off the pitch that lead to it, and while there is still a lot of room for improvement under Tuchel I think the public perception is a bit skewed. Upa became some kind of scapegoat of our defensive issues, whilst most of it is also that Kimmich thinks of himself as a #6, but Tuchel sees him as a #8. Think we still need a solid #6 to control the midfield, but I don't really think the 4 at the back is the issue, considering how we usually play high and try to control games.

    Your chance will be in transitions if the midfield (Kimmich/Goretzka or Kimmich/Laimer) don't stop them. I'd fancy Laimer to start before Goretzka with Mazraoui to hold RB. Tuchel might even try to do like he did with Leverkusen (or gladbach, I'm getting old) at the end of the game with De Ligt as a #6 in this game to experiment a bit more with that.
     
    BayernFan87 said:
    I know (and saw a bit) you didn't start well into the season but I wish I would be half as optimistic for the game as you are pessimistic.

    Our results were mostly good but we're not playing really good so far, at least not for 90 minutes.
    And your team and style is in theory our cryptonite.

    I expect you to defend very deep and wait for counter opportunities and I expect Tuchel to fear exactly that and thus ordering us to play with minimal risk and much control.
    It will be a boring game I think.
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    We haven´t done that much under EtH tbh, he seems hellbent on making us a team that is good on the ball, has quick flowing attacks and has a good, organized pressing from the front. We are sadly crap at all those things. We´ve been absolutely wide open defensively lately and blunt in attack.
    Don´t know how far off Erik is from throwing in the towel and go full counterattacking style again as we have seen a lot of last 4-5 seasons from us, but i suspect there is still some time before that happens.

    So, in other words, Guten Appetit!
     
    Sometimes you need a massive game to turn your fortunes around in. Everybody calling you dog shit, Finished FC etc. I am not for one second saying we are going to win this game, but we've been here many times before post Fergie and have got good results. I am certainly not doom and gloom anyways. That's all i am saying.


    7-0 Bayern

    /jk
     
    Hakara said:
    End of last season was a clusterfeck in many areas on and off the pitch that lead to it, and while there is still a lot of room for improvement under Tuchel I think the public perception is a bit skewed. Upa became some kind of scapegoat of our defensive issues, whilst most of it is also that Kimmich thinks of himself as a #6, but Tuchel sees him as a #8. Think we still need a solid #6 to control the midfield, but I don't really think the 4 at the back is the issue, considering how we usually play high and try to control games.

    Your chance will be in transitions if the midfield (Kimmich/Goretzka or Kimmich/Laimer) don't stop them. I'd fancy Laimer to start before Goretzka with Mazraoui to hold RB. Tuchel might even try to do like he did with Leverkusen (or gladbach, I'm getting old) at the end of the game with De Ligt as a #6 in this game to experiment a bit more with that.
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    Against Leverkusen it was 55 : 45 ball possession, 14:7 shots and xG 2.16 to 0.52 until Tuchel substituted Müller and Kimmich. After that it was 45 : 55 ball possession, 2:6 shots and xG 0.58 to 1.92

    So hopefully we can keep both on the pitch for a long time.
     
    Cnaiür urs Skiötha said:
    I am listening to Bayerns press conference right now. Harry Kane saying with a straight face that Harry Maguire is one of the greatest defenders of England's history.
    Tuchel has mentioned that he saw some really good and dangerous stuff in the first 20 minutes against Brighton. He knows that the one strength we have at the moment is quick transition and counter attacking with Bruno, Rashford and Hojlund. He will do all he can to dominate us but avoid these kind of situations. Unfortunately he is not underestimating us.
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    Wasn't he supposed to be trying to get Spurs to sign him? Shame that even they aren't that dumb.
     
    Blackwidow said:
    Against Leverkusen it was 55 : 45 ball possession, 14:7 shots and xG 2.16 to 0.52 until Tuchel substituted Müller and Kimmich. After that it was 45 : 55 ball possession, 2:6 shots and xG 0.58 to 1.92

    So hopefully we can keep both on the pitch for a long time.
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    Do you believe Müller will start tomorrow? I do not think so.
     
    FortunaUtd said:
    Do you believe Müller will start tomorrow? I do not think so.
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    He will. Bambi (Musiala) is still working his way back and will maybe get 30 mins like he did vs Leverkusen.
     
    Blackwidow said:
    Against Leverkusen it was 55 : 45 ball possession, 14:7 shots and xG 2.16 to 0.52 until Tuchel substituted Müller and Kimmich. After that it was 45 : 55 ball possession, 2:6 shots and xG 0.58 to 1.92

    So hopefully we can keep both on the pitch for a long time.
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    You don't have to sell me on the need to play Müller :P

    Also a bit freeing not having to worry about the chatcount as a newbie in this thread.
     
    FortunaUtd said:
    Do you believe Müller will start tomorrow? I do not think so.
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    Tuchel said that Musiala is able to play about 60 minutes tomorrow but they did not know now if he will start - and emphasized that Müller and Musiala can play together. Coman was out some days and Gnabry was not really great so Musiala could start as left winger/left no. 10, too.
     
    Blackwidow said:
    Tuchel said that Musiala is able to play about 60 minutes tomorrow but they did not know now if he will start - and emphasized that Müller and Musiala can play together. Coman was out some days and Gnabry was not really great so Musiala could start as left winger/left no. 10, too.
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    Well yea and nah. Gnabry's trackrecord vs English teams is stupid, and I think he will play even if I prefer Coman or Tel before him.
     
    TRAVELLING SQUAD FOR BAYERN (A)

    Goalkeepers:     Altay Bayındır, Tom Heaton, André Onana, Radek Vitek.

    Defenders: Victor Lindelöf, Lisandro Martínez, Sergio Reguilón, Diogo Dalot, Jonny Evans.

    Midfielders: Bruno Fernandes, Christian Eriksen, Casemiro, Facundo Pellistri, Scott McTominay, Dan Gore, Hannibal.

    Forwards: Anthony Martial, Marcus Rashford, Rasmus Højlund, Alejandro Garnacho, Omari Forson.
     
    Gabriel Djemba-Bebe said:
    Rashford is our biggest goal threat so I would certainly start him vs Bayern where his pace on the counter attack will be our only outlet for large parts of the game. We saw it vs Arsenal the other week. They were camped in our half for 25 minutes then we counter with Rashford and he scores our first opportunity.

    People are acting like he's going through a barren run of games. We still rely on him for goals and he still contributes with assists (see our comeback win vs Forest). Okay, he was wasteful vs Brighton but it's hardly the definition of insanity to expect a forward to play himself back into form, especially when that forward has the track record to prove it: he's bagged over 20 goals and 10 assists in three out of his last four seasons. Dropping Rashford 5 games into the season for an inexperienced front 3 of Pellistri, Hojlund and Garnacho and expecting us to score more goals is dumb.
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    Bayern isn't the fixture for it, but at some point we have to stop treating players as undroppable if their form drops off a cliff. Whether the issues are physical or mental, when a player hits a wall and his performances noticeably drop, he needs to be dropped. You don't respond to the one-off poor performance, but as a manager you do have to respond to consistent malaise. Rashford ended the season poorly and has begin the new season poorly. You stick with Rashford against Bayern primarily because of the global audience which will be watching the game, but if he puts in another questionable performance it really would be insane to do the same thing over and over again and expect a different result. It may be all that Rashford needs is a quick break from dealing with all the pressure he's under.

    I was saying the same thing about Antony before his other issues came to public light. He looked like the archetypal professional athlete who hit the wall, physical or mental none of us can known, and needed to be dropped. But ETH persisted with him and we got the same performance, over and over, to no one's surprise. Sancho needed to be dropped for the same reasons, although he was dropped for other reasons. When I mean dropped, I only mean one or two matches, not one or two months. Rashford is our marquee player and he did score 30 goals last season and for United to succeed he needs to be in top form, but he ended the last season far from top form and began the season far from top form. The real problem, and at this point I apologize for making these points on this thread and not where it belongs on another thread, is that the manager has set us up to send everything through Rashford, making it easy for opponents to defend us and we've seen that with our poor attacking performances so far bar the comeback against Nottingham Forest.
     
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