Champions League Group A

Bayern Munich 4:3 Manchester United

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Wed, 20 September 2023 @ 8:00pm BST
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    next_number_seven said:
    Bayern are much better than us.
    A draw would be a good result.
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    Away from home, against Bayern, in this rotten form we are in, with the rotten luck we are having with injuries, it would be a fecking awesome result to draw here.
     
    saik said:
    Away from home, against Bayern, in this rotten form we are in, with the rotten luck we are having with injuries, it would be a fecking awesome result to draw here.
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    We might get a lucky goal on the break.
    Their defence is formidable though.
     
    Because of his wages and international celebrity, we have to start Rashford against Bayern. All we can do is defend as though the fate of the universe depends on it and hope to use use the speed of Rashford and Hojlund to nick a goal against tired legs on the break.
     
    lex talionis said:
    Because of his wages and international celebrity, we have to start Rashford against Bayern. All we can do is defend as though the fate of the universe depends on it and hope to use use the speed of Rashford and Hojlund to nick a goal against tired legs on the break.
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    Ronaldo was our highest paid player and far more of an "international celebrity" than Rashford is but Ten Hag wasn't afraid to drop him. Rashford will start because he's by far our most productive attacker.
     
    Why is it only Monday?! Let's skip to Wednesday already. I shiver with antici..
     
    Gabriel Djemba-Bebe said:
    Ronaldo was our highest paid player and far more of an "international celebrity" than Rashford is but Ten Hag wasn't afraid to drop him. Rashford will start because he's by far our most productive attacker.
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    True, but that's apples and oranges. Ronaldo was ETH's project, whereas Rashford is. Rashford won't storm off the pitch in disgust or do "interviews" with Piers Morgan. Marcus Rashford has become undroppable.
     
    lex talionis said:
    True, but that's apples and oranges. Ronaldo was ETH's project, whereas Rashford is. Rashford won't storm off the pitch in disgust or do "interviews" with Piers Morgan. Marcus Rashford has become undroppable.
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    Those 30 goals he scored last season are predominantly why he's become undroppable.
     
    The worst thing is they will score within 3 minutes and we won't remotely look like every getting back into it, except for a 10min spell at the end of the first half. They'll then score immediately after half-time and add 3 more.

    It is written.
     
    Gopher Brown said:
    The worst thing is they will score within 3 minutes and we won't remotely look like every getting back into it, except for a 10min spell at the end of the first half. They'll then score immediately after half-time and add 3 more.

    It is written.
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    No it's typed
     
    Gabriel Djemba-Bebe said:
    Those 30 goals he scored last season are predominantly why he's become undroppable.
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    So sorry, in my previous post I wrote that Ronaldo was ETH's project. I meant to write that Ronaldo was NOT ETH's project. Rashford most definitely is. You can bet your family jewels that Rashford will start v Bayern.

    We have a manager who does not seem to worry about form. Antony and Rashford come to mind but let's focus on Rashford since Antony has only been dropped due to off-pitch issues. Rashford has scored 1 goal in his first 5 games for United despite taking 9 shots against Brighton alone. Rashford, like many other teammates to be fair, drifted off and was rather poor at the end of last season -- arguably nonexistent except for late strike against Chelsea when the match was already well in hand -- and for what little it's worth showed very little whatsoever in pre-season friendlies this summer.

    There's no denying Rashford's global celebrity status and thus he must start in this marquee matchup in CL play, but there is also no denying that he dropped off a cliff at the end of last season and has started the new season poorly and that if his name were Seymour Dick and was on 75k/week that he would dropped for this marquee matchup.
     
    .................. Heaton

    Bissaka - Varane - Shaw - Malacia

    .......... Amrabat - Mainoo

    .. Antony - Mount - Diallo

    ............... Sancho

    That has to be it.
    Martial sprains his leg during warmup and comes in as a sub.
     
    lex talionis said:
    Rashford has scored 1 goal in his first 5 games for United despite taking 9 shots against Brighton alone. Rashford, like many other teammates to be fair, drifted off and was rather poor at the end of last season -- arguably nonexistent except for late strike against Chelsea when the match was already well in hand -- and for what little it's worth showed very little whatsoever in pre-season friendlies this summer.

    There's no denying Rashford's global celebrity status and thus he must start in this marquee matchup in CL play, but there is also no denying that he dropped off a cliff at the end of last season and has started the new season poorly and that if his name were Seymour Dick and was on 75k/week that he would dropped for this marquee matchup.
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    Dropped for who? Garnacho? If our only forwards on the pitch are a raw 19 year old winger and an inexperienced (and not fully fit) new signing then our chances of winning become even slimmer.
     
    I think this squad are inclined to come up with surprising performances, and I wouldn't bet on that they couldn't come up with their best match for the season and beat BM. A different competition and maybe a different attitude. There have been other teams struggling in the league, but at the same time doing well in Europe.
     
    Gabriel Djemba-Bebe said:
    Dropped for who? Garnacho? If our only forwards on the pitch are a raw 19 year old winger and an inexperienced (and not fully fit) new signing then our chances of winning become even slimmer.
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    If you're suggesting that Rashford is undroppable then we should expect the definition of insanity to come into play. Given the circumstances -- an opening CL match against one of the biggest names in club football -- Rashford has to start and be given a chance to redeem himself. But if he continues to be ineffective then I would definitely sub him off for Garnacho in the second half and start Garnacho against Burnley.

    Yes we're only 5 games into the season but FFS how much longer are we going to give underperforming players a free ride? We're desperate at certain positions like LB so we have to do what must be done, but if our wingers continue to underperform -- the Antony mess may be a blessing in disguise, but ETH made the bizarre decision to start McTominay over Pellistri, with predictably disastrous results -- the manager needs to reach into the bench to field players who are desperate to put in maximum effort. And it's not as though Garnacho is another Bebe...he's proven that he belongs at this level.
     
    Can only the players can be motivated by playing CL football and remember to track players after re-watching themselves stand around like skittles against Brighton. Recall how were against Barca and others teams in that period season.

    Sadly it doesn't seem we have the fitness.

    It will be interesting to see if we surrender to Bayern like we did under Moyes and conceded about 80% possession in timid fashion. I still recall Robben's comments on it, it's roughly ten years on and we could repeat that embarrassment. Some glimmer of light is Bayern aren't as good as back then or in recent years but we're in a very bad spell.
     
    Score predictions has 3-0 defeat on here topping the list, probably will be a surprise if its anything less than that to be honest. Need to move swiftly on to Burnley and win that and I couldn't care less the manner so long as the three points is picked up.
     
    This is going to suck, isn’t it? We worked so hard to get Champions League, and now that we are back we are going to get our asses handed to us. I’m just hoping not to embarrass ourselves and to get away without any injuries.
     
    Alternatively, we could have the entire team hold a Glazers Out banner and refuse to play. It would go down as 3-0 forfeit, but no injuries, no cards to worry about, and a respectable score line if we had actually played.

    All kidding aside, it’s adversity like this that will determine which players are worth their salt. If we had our first team available I think we could nick a win, but with the walking wounded, a draw would be fantastic, and we're getting beaten by 3.
     
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    Don't think Bayern are that good, so we do have a chance if we up our game significantly. Hoping we can surprise them and reach a level similar to Barca away last season.
     
    Bayern Munich last ten home games in the Champions league.

    Man City 1-1
    PSG 2-0
    Inter 2-0
    Viktoria Plzen 5-0
    Barcelona 2-0
    Villarreal 1-1
    RB Salzburg 7-1
    Barcelona 3-0
    Benfica 5-2
    Dynamo kyiv 5-0

    8 wins two draws and just three goals conceded.

    Furthermore Bayern are unbeaten in their last 34 Champions league group stage games (W31 D3) and winning the last 13 in a row.
     
    I think we’re beat before we even step foot on the field. This side has no fight what so ever.

    3-0 possibly more.
     
    Dve said:
    I think this squad are inclined to come up with surprising performances, and I wouldn't bet on that they couldn't come up with their best match for the season and beat BM. A different competition and maybe a different attitude. There have been other teams struggling in the league, but at the same time doing well in Europe.
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    When was the last 'surprising' performance from this squad. They lose basically every game that we're not clear favourites in.
     
    always_hoping said:
    Furthermore Bayern are unbeaten in their last 34 Champions league group stage games (W31 D3) and winning the last 13 in a row.
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    That is the one winning streak. The draws were twice against Ten Hag's Ajax in 18/19 and in a fifth match in Madrid against Atletico a 1:1 in 20/21 when Bayern played mainly with the youngsters.

    The other streak is winning the first match in the Champions League - and it could be the 20th time in a row Bayern starts into the CL season with a win.

    The start of today's training session:


    Munich's press conference at 13:30 with Thomas Tuchel and Harry Kane can be seen on youtube

     
    lex talionis said:
    If you're suggesting that Rashford is undroppable then we should expect the definition of insanity to come into play. Given the circumstances -- an opening CL match against one of the biggest names in club football -- Rashford has to start and be given a chance to redeem himself. But if he continues to be ineffective then I would definitely sub him off for Garnacho in the second half and start Garnacho against Burnley.

    Yes we're only 5 games into the season but FFS how much longer are we going to give underperforming players a free ride? We're desperate at certain positions like LB so we have to do what must be done, but if our wingers continue to underperform -- the Antony mess may be a blessing in disguise, but ETH made the bizarre decision to start McTominay over Pellistri, with predictably disastrous results -- the manager needs to reach into the bench to field players who are desperate to put in maximum effort. And it's not as though Garnacho is another Bebe...he's proven that he belongs at this level.
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    Rashford is our biggest goal threat so I would certainly start him vs Bayern where his pace on the counter attack will be our only outlet for large parts of the game. We saw it vs Arsenal the other week. They were camped in our half for 25 minutes then we counter with Rashford and he scores our first opportunity.

    People are acting like he's going through a barren run of games. We still rely on him for goals and he still contributes with assists (see our comeback win vs Forest). Okay, he was wasteful vs Brighton but it's hardly the definition of insanity to expect a forward to play himself back into form, especially when that forward has the track record to prove it: he's bagged over 20 goals and 10 assists in three out of his last four seasons. Dropping Rashford 5 games into the season for an inexperienced front 3 of Pellistri, Hojlund and Garnacho and expecting us to score more goals is dumb.
     
    Bayern are not what they were.

    Still better than Utd, but not the near invincible machine they were in the past.
     
    Leftback99 said:
    When was the last 'surprising' performance from this squad. They lose basically every game that we're not clear favourites in.
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    I would probably say Barca away in Feb. They were barely conceding any goals in La Liga at the time and we went there and were unlucky to draw 2-2. Hopefully we pull a similar performance out the bag.
     
    If we didn't have 11 players missing, I would've had some confidence we could get a result. In our current state, there is no chance.
     
    Away from home in Europe against Bayern...time to be a little pragmatic and play to disrupt and annoy Bayern.
     
    SilentStrike said:
    Bayern are not what they were.

    Still better than Utd, but not the near invincible machine they were in the past.
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    It is the beginning of the season. Everything still has to get into place. Like everywhere.

    The mood today...



    Seems that somebody here loves that the Champions League is coming back... :D:cool:
     
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19 9
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9 4
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7 3
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