Anyone hoping for a draw or loss to Arse because it would benefit Pool otherwise should check themselves IMHO. United should always want to win, especially against those clowns. We ourselves have lost to many teams "worse" or even "far worse" than us on paper. To quote the great Johan Cruyff: "Football is a game you play with your mind."
FA Premier League
Arsenal vs Manchester United
The Emirates
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- Wed, 4 December 2024 @ 8:15pm GMT
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Jamie (@Vault Dweller) review both the Everton and Bodø/Glimt victories at Old Trafford. Listen to the guys discuss 2 wins and 7 goals in the last week, analyse of the Amorim formation, focus on Amad and how he is playing, and also take a look at Hojlund, Rashford & Zirkzee – who starts v Arsenal?
Discussion Your Lineup Prediction
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While I could do so, I am not going to quote the post, but there is literally a post on the same page as mine which says something along the lines of 'I hope we don't win this, it could hand Liverpool the title.'
It's a bit weird to go after me when over the years we've seen this so often with posters hoping we lose games.
Interesting because I see no post in any of the page that says they hope we lose so Liverpool don't win the league....
Bit weird because you said under Ten Hag you half understood but not under Amorim, yet no one has said they want us to lose ?
I honestly don’t care about that nor should any supporter tbh. We’re honestly lucky that the scousers didn’t pass our title haul under Klopp. It was bound to happen at some point but all I care about is Amorim raising this club back to those standards again. If the scousers win no. 20, we could aim to be the first to win 21.My lineup
De Ligt Maguire Shaw
Maz Ugarte Mount Dalot
Amad Bruno
Højlund
Those 3 CBs should be able to protect Onana well, especially during set pieces. I included Mount because we'll need legs/mobility in there to compete with Merino/Odegaard. I can see Casemiro getting booked quite early with how quickly arsenal move the ball. Mount also played beside Ugarte last game, so maybe Amorim is thinking about it. Rashford can come in after about 70mins to run at the tiring Gabriel and Saliba.
I guess it will be instructive now to quote the post I was indirectly referring to.
Do you need any more evidence?
Yes, because the poster is not saying we should lose...
They are just merely pointing the fact that if we win Liverpool go further clear.
I am sure most United fans hate the feeling of Liverpool winning the league. The poster has never said they want us to lose...
So unless you can show me where fans are saying they want us to lose, its something you are making up.Couldn’t care less about the title race when we’re playing. Our growth as a team and the confidence we’d gain if we can beat Arsenal, considering where we were a couple of weeks ago, matters way more to me.
I think we need to be a little more defensive here. Had Martinez been available, I’d have Dalot and Shaw as wingbacks, with Maz, Martinez, and DL as the CBs. Oh well, as it stands, I’d go with the following.
OnanaTough on Rashford but he can come off the bench for Hojlund or Mount or even Casemiro (with Bruno dropping back) depending on how the game is going
Maz - DL - Shaw
Amad - Ugarte - Casemiro - Dalot
Bruno - Mount
Hojlund
Amorim's last match against Arsenal. He's unbeaten against them.
Er, what exact aspect of being worried about Liverpool stretching clear does not imply that the poster hopes we lose?
I mean, there's another user who has basically made the same point as I have: that wanting us to lose so Liverpool don't win does not help us.
Your argument (if such a term is apt here) is nestling at the base of the trashcan.
Shaw has looked excellent since coming back, not sure why you're calling him "half dead".
Hojlund is god awful aerially
But he is strong and high…Hojlund is god awful aerially
A hard one as we're learning a new system and a bunch of unfit players. I'm not expecting a win here, but if we are compact and smart with the ball we could nick it. Difficult to pick the team as it is now, let alone coming up against a proper top team.
Rasmus
Mount Amad
Dalot Bruno Ugarte Mazraoui
Shaw Maguire MDL
Onana
And shit in the air.
He’d done like 3 lots of 30 mins and has been out for a long time. Starting against Arsenal would worry me greatly as the staff clearly don’t think he can do a half yet, let alone 90mins.The key difference is they have an Odegaard/Saka calibre player, we just don't have that level of firepower.Just drew them in the fecking cup too
Well he’ll have to, because we don’t have another option there. Trotting out Evans or Maguire in that spot is just asking to lose from the get go.
Reckon they could put Maz at LCB without much issue. I also don't think Maguire is that bad a shout, we would just be sensible on that side and Dalot would need to hang back a lot more, which will likely be the case given I assume we will be on the back foot for much of the game.I have a feeling we're going to well against them this Wednesday.This is coming too early. I would have preferred more time to settle in the new system and then go up against a good side. Could have been an interesting contest.
I don't have much hope honestly. Coach is still learning about the players and players are still learning the system. Not a best situation but it is what it is.Drawn away to the Gooners in the FAC round 3.OnanaMostly guesswork. I think he'll keep swapping players back and forth for a while so will probably swap out a lot who played sunday.
Mazr - De Ligt - Shaw
Amad - Casemiro - Ugarte - Dalot
Bruno - Garnacho
Hojlund
Mazraoui, De Ligt, Casemiro and Bruno came off early so they probably come back in. Mainoo and Martinez being suspended pretty much decides two more places. I dont think any of our forwards have really made a strong case to be selected every match so he'll swap things there and maybe at wing back. You'd be reluctant to drop amad though and i dont particularly rate the alternatives so maybe not.
2 wins in a row against Arsenal it is, then. OkI can see the Gooners being organised, assertive and creating plenty of opportunities. Reckon they’ll score 2 or 3. If we get our shit together then we might just match them. Don’t see it being a low scoring game either way.We're due a win against these pricks
Being high is one thing; being tall another.
Psychologically, this could be a good thing. They will be feeling a bit of pressure, hopefullyanyone else still hate Arsenal and their fans more than any other team in the league? I guess that's a by product of becoming a United fan when I was a kid in the late 90's/early 2000s
Actually goes Liverpool Leeds Arsenal City.
Most dislikable manager 100%
Fans are probably better than Pool’s though.Actually goes Liverpool Leeds Arsenal City.
Newcastle should probably be in there nowAll time record at “the Emirates”:
23/24 - Arsenal 3-1 United (Rashford)
22/23 - Arsenal 3-2 United (Rashford, Martinez)
21/22 - Arsenal 3-1 United (Ronaldo)
20/21 - Arsenal 0-0 United
19/20 - Arsenal 2-0 United
18/19 - Arsenal 2-0 United
18/19 (FAC) - Arsenal 1-3 United (Sanchez, Lingard, Martial)
17/18 - Arsenal 1-3 United (Valencia, Lingard x2)
16/17 - Arsenal 2-0 United
15/16 - Arsenal 3-0 United
14/15 - Arsenal 1-2 United (OG, Rooney)
13/14 - Arsenal 0-0 United
12/13 - Arsenal 1-1 United (van Persie)
11/12 - Arsenal 1-2 United (Valencia, Welbeck)
10/11 - Arsenal 1-0 United
09/10 - Arsenal 1-3 United (Nani, Rooney, Park)
08/09 (CL) - Arsenal 1-3 United (Park, Ronaldo x2)
08/09 - Arsenal 2-1 United (Rafael)
07/08 - Arsenal 2-2 United (Rooney, Ronaldo)
06/07 - Arsenal 2-1 United (Rooney)
All time record:
W - 5
D - 4
L - 10
Pretty bad ground for us. In recent years it’s absolutely shocking. 6 losses in the last 7 seasons. Always seems to be a big atmosphere for them when they play us. Definitely the two most supported teams in London.Last edited:
You've missed out the FA Cup one in 2019 when Sanchez, Lingard, and Martial scored
Our record away to most top teams has been shocking in general. Especially Chelsea and Liverpool.I don't think it will happen but I would love it if Maz was on the left for us so he can try to stop Saka. I am not saying he can stop him, but he sure as feck can do a better job at it than Dalot.
Since Maz on the left probably won't happen, and the loss of Martinez, I would go with Harry as the LCB and Luke as the LWB, and tell Luke he just has to make it to the 60th minute at which point we can bring on Dalot.
Wingbacks aren't really defending against wingers. They're picking up the full backs. I guess they'd be defending against quick switches and crosses but i wouldn't be particularly worried about saka in that context and dalot is pretty good in them situations.
It'll probably be shaw picking him up.Feck me I hate those late weekday games. I just want to sleep.
So you think odegaard is better tha bruno?
Saka to an extent is better, but Amad will soon reach those levels i feel.
Score Predictions
44,100,57
- Man Utd win
- Arsenal win
- Draw
Detailed Results
- 16% Arsenal 2:1 Man Utd
- 15% Arsenal 3:1 Man Utd
- 14% Arsenal 2:2 Man Utd
- 13% Arsenal 1:1 Man Utd
- 10% Arsenal 1:2 Man Utd
- 8% Arsenal 2:0 Man Utd
- 3% Arsenal 0:2 Man Utd
- 3% Arsenal 3:0 Man Utd
- 2% Arsenal 0:1 Man Utd
- 2% Arsenal 3:2 Man Utd
- 2% Arsenal 4:0 Man Utd
- 2% Arsenal 2:3 Man Utd
- 2% Arsenal 1:3 Man Utd
- 1% Arsenal 0:0 Man Utd
- 1% Arsenal 4:1 Man Utd
- 1% Arsenal 2:4 Man Utd
- 0% Arsenal 5:0 Man Utd
- 0% Arsenal 5:2 Man Utd
- 0% Arsenal 4:2 Man Utd
- 0% Arsenal 4:4 Man Utd
- 0% Arsenal 1:4 Man Utd
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