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I just spent two hours scouring the house for an important document. I thought it would be wise to put it somewhere out of the way, for safe keeping. Then I promptly forgot where I put it.

Cut me some slack, man. I'm frustrated here.
Christ, you sound like my mother. 'I put it in a safe place' - never good.

As you say, I was specific. No idea why you still have questions

If he was on a long contract I'd pay £18 million. Thats less than £18.5m or £19m just fyi

With a short time left on his contract I wouldnt pay that
How do you arrive at the £18m? With it being so specific there must be a formula or a calculation of some kind?
 

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As you say, I was specific. No idea why you still have questions

If he was on a long contract I'd pay £18 million. Thats less than £18.5m or £19m just fyi

With a short time left on his contract I wouldnt pay that
So you'd pass up on signing a player you're willing to spend 18m on, if it would actually cost 18.5m to seal the deal?

Interesting. I think it's safe to assume you don't own any property?
 

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It's a basic fact of how things work. You do things according to priorities. If you have a crack in the wall that's leaking water, do you see to that first before spending on another less important issue.
Granted, I'd probably fix the crack first before moving on to less impending maintenance operations.

Consider this though; if you had six men in your employment, and you had a crack in the wall that's leaking water, would you instruct all six of them to go fix the crack, then, once finished, tell all six to go fix the squeaky floorboard? Then again all six of them to go fetch the bottle of milk from outside the front door?

Or, do you put a couple to work on the crack whilst one turns off the water, send one down B&Q for some nails whilst another pulls up the floorboard and the other guy fetches the milk? The guy getting the milk might complete his task long before the crack finally gets fixed, but when your boss turns up he's not going to give you a bollocking for making the milk your top priority; because he's not a fecking idiot!
 

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I don't see what the fuzz is about?

Ashley Young would be a fine addition to our squad, I don't think anyone could argue against that? :confused:
 

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Granted, I'd probably fix the crack first before moving on to less impending maintenance operations.

Consider this though; if you had six men in your employment, and you had a crack in the wall that's leaking water, would you instruct all six of them to go fix the crack, then, once finished, tell all six to go fix the squeaky floorboard? Then again all six of them to go fetch the bottle of milk from outside the front door?

Or, do you put a couple to work on the crack whilst one turns off the water, send one down B&Q for some nails whilst another pulls up the floorboard and the other guy fetches the milk? The guy getting the milk might complete his task long before the crack finally gets fixed, but when your boss turns up he's not going to give you a bollocking for making the milk your top priority; because he's not a fecking idiot!
First, we need polyfilla - but where from? Screwfix direct? Wickes? B&Q? Homebase?

So much choice, such a large crack.
 

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Granted, I'd probably fix the crack first before moving on to less impending maintenance operations.

Consider this though; if you had six men in your employment, and you had a crack in the wall that's leaking water, would you instruct all six of them to go fix the crack, then, once finished, tell all six to go fix the squeaky floorboard? Then again all six of them to go fetch the bottle of milk from outside the front door?

Or, do you put a couple to work on the crack whilst one turns off the water, send one down B&Q for some nails whilst another pulls up the floorboard and the other guy fetches the milk? The guy getting the milk might complete his task long before the crack finally gets fixed, but when your boss turns up he's not going to give you a bollocking for making the milk your top priority; because he's not a fecking idiot!
You clearly have too many members of staff if one of their tasks is getting a bottle of milk from outside your house. The guy going to B&Q can grab the bottle of milk on his way back into the house and you can make the other guy redundant.
 

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I don't see what the fuzz is about?

Ashley Young would be a fine addition to our squad, I don't think anyone could argue against that? :confused:
Yeah it's so odd really.

My only guess is that people watched the Barca game and after that were under the assumption that we should only buy the best talent in world football now if we want to compete, and maybe that's true in some ways but SAF has been all about his squad in recent years and Young would be a properly good addition to it, regardless of who else we go and sign.
 

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You clearly have too many members of staff if one of their tasks is getting a bottle of milk from outside your house. The guy going to B&Q can grab the bottle of milk on his way back into the house and you can make the other guy redundant.
He's my brother; he's a bit of a Ihni binni dimi diniwiny anitaime and I promised mum I'd look out for him and keep him in work. We had to get the milk in pretty urgently because the water was pissing out the crack all over the doorstep and we'd already sent the other fella out the back way down B&Q; he'd be gagging for a cuppa when he got back because he was out drinking with the guys fixing the crack last night and had to sleep in his car because his missus chucked his clothes out the bedroom window and barricaded the door. To make matters worse there's some random dick-head out the front yelling and going mental about our priorities; saying something about getting six men to tag-team his crack or something - proper twat.
 

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Yeah it's so odd really.

My only guess is that people watched the Barca game and after that were under the assumption that we should only buy the best talent in world football now if we want to compete, and maybe that's true in some ways but SAF has been all about his squad in recent years and Young would be a properly good addition to it, regardless of who else we go and sign.
I don't think it's the Barcelona game to be honest. I think it's the fact that the signing itself seems more opportunistic than actually buying who we really want/need. If he had 4 years left on his Villa deal I doubt anyone would really be interested, particularly given his mediocre season. If he were 20 or 21 then I think everyone here would be ecstatic, but players rarely vastly improve at 26 and if he doesn't vastly improve he'll be nothing more than a decent squad addition.

Plus there is always a feeling that we only have a finite amount of cash and we aren't going to buy two players like Young, so the £20m spent is £20m not spent on a winger etc who is better/more promising.

It's just pretty underwhelming all round.
 

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He's my brother; he's a bit of a Ihni binni dimi diniwiny anitaime and I promised mum I'd look out for him and keep him in work. We had to get the milk in pretty urgently because the water was pissing out the crack all over the doorstep and we'd already sent the other fella out the back way down B&Q; he'd be gagging for a cuppa when he got back because he was out drinking with the guys fixing the crack last night and had to sleep in his car because his missus chucked his clothes out the bedroom window and barricaded the door. To make matters worse there's some random dick-head out the front yelling and going mental about our priorities; saying something about getting six men to tag-team his crack or something - proper twat.
So the milk was urgent all along!!!!
 

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I seem some rubbish story saying if we sign Young, Nani will be forced out of the club :wenger:
 

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I seem some rubbish story saying if we sign Young, Nani will be forced out of the club :wenger:
We are part exchanging Nani for Sneijder. Someone in here is adamant about that. I forget his name.
 

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£20M for a back up is crazy. Hopefully this is just media bollocks and the touted figure includes his wages.
 

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It was always going to be upwards of the £10-12m that people were expecting. There are other clubs interested in him, and that pushes the price up.
 

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He's going to start 70-75% of our league games? Really... in place of who?
Not one player in particular. He will be rotated like the other players, such as Giggs, Nani, Valencia, Hernandez, Berbatov and Park.
 

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Not one player in particular. He will be rotated like the other players, such as Giggs, Nani, Valencia, Hernandez, Berbatov and Park.
I understand that, but still don't really get it. He'd have to be chosen ahead of 2 out of Nani, Valencia, Park, Giggs, Berbatov and maybe Anderson.

He might play some part in 25-30 games, but I can't see him starting that many. Nani who was our best player last season just about started 30 games, despite Valencia's injury and not having to compete with... Nani.
 

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I understand that, but still don't really get it. He'd have to be chosen ahead of 2 out of Nani, Valencia, Park, Giggs, Berbatov and maybe Anderson.

He might play some part in 25-30 games, but I can't see him starting that many. Nani who was our best player last season just about started 30 games, despite Valencia's injury and not having to compete with... Nani.
Ignore the exact number of games, my point was that he will not be a back-up. He will be given the same kind of role as the players I listed.
 

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I can imagine Gill sitting down with Levy and saying:

"Now, we would LOVE to give you £35 million for Modric, we really would. The problem, you see, is that we allocated £17 million on the Ashley Young transfer and ended up having to spend £19 million. So, you know, we've only got £33 million left... will that do?"

The transfer budget for this summer will have been worked and reworked to allow for the signings that SAF wants. The amount we spend on Young, if we do indeed buy him, will have no bearing on any other acquisitions we do or don't make.

Also, I find it amazing that people still look at new signings as being "first choice" or benched, despite everyone using the 'squad' excuse as to the reason we won #19. It's a squad game nowadays and the likes of Young strengthen our wide options to avoid having to resort to chucking players like Anderson, Rooney and Fletcher out there and keep players like Obertan and Bebe away from the first team! Yes, they all can play wide, but with any real effectiveness?
 

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Not one player in particular. He will be rotated like the other players, such as Giggs, Nani, Valencia, Hernandez, Berbatov and Park.
Sounds about right. Only 3 players started more than 30 games for us in the league last season and only 4 took part in over 30 games.
 

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Ignore the exact number of games, my point was that he will not be a back-up. He will be given the same kind of role as the players I listed.
In that case it could be argued we will have a weaker squad than last year. As none of those listed were over-played and Young isn't as good as any of them (in my opinion).

Although Giggs will probably play less games than last year so a small gap might be there, although that might be more than offset by Valencia not being injured half the season.
 

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I don't see how, it's not like there are lots of posts calling him shite or anything, just a bit underwhelming.
 

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Which is remarkably similar to the response when we were closing in on Valencia.
I think each case should be taken individually, I've seen people use the Valencia comparison before and the one where Gibson will come good here because Fletcher did but I find that similar to whole "He's the new Messi" type of thing that goes with every half talented Argie kid that pops up..
 

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The difference is, at the time we needed a right winger. Ronaldo left.
Now, we don't really need a winger. We have both Nani and Valencia, then there's Park, and not to mention Giggs...so i really don't see the need for him.

Anyway, i couldn't care less if he came to us or not. More the merriei say.
 
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