Brwned
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So you don't see much difference between them defensively?I just don't think there's much difference...
So you don't see much difference between them defensively?I just don't think there's much difference...
Their roles are different .. therefore Gibson won't get in the positions Carrick will....and vise versa - though that wasn't always the case. I believe it more a limitation of Carrick then him being a defensive genius. Obviously we ask it of him, but I'm not sure we bought him for that role. At the end of the day, our defensive record without Carrick, isn't so bad...So you don't see much difference between them defensively?
I'm not sure what you're saying...
If Gibson was played in Carrick's role do you think he'd provide as much defensively? Or do you think the reason he's not played there is because he's not good enough defensively, and Carrick is?
how do people still not get the fact we need players of his ilk in our squad. Players that will never will be required to play every game or even week in week out.Against Schalke.
Gibson needs to perform like this week in week out. He's been decent in Europe but hasn't performed as well in the league, especially away from home. He's 23 now and has to step up. We will be buying midfielders next summer, and although I hope he'll improve, I can't see him playing on regular basis for Manchester United.
This is very true.how do people still not get the fact we need players of his ilk in our squad. Players that will never will be required to play every game or even week in week out.
Squads arent built on a foundation of world class players and never will be.
Over the course of this season, there's been a lot of people claiming he doesn't even have a decent shot.So, no-one going to admit they had him penned down as a one-dimensional player who could only shoot and he's beginning to prove you wrong?
He has a decent shot but it's not great like a lot of people make it out on here to be.Over the course of this season, there's been a lot of people claiming he doesn't even have a decent shot.
good spot. Unfortunetly opinions are like arseholes everyone has one!I'll admit that I never really believed that he was going to a 1st teamer here. I'll still take some convincing that i'm wrong. However i've also defended him many times.
Brwned, look at the MOTM thread and see how many dipsticks chose to leave him out of the top 3 entirely. These are people who watch games with preconceived ideas and refuse to believe their own eyes. Crazy stuff. Pretty easily our best player with Valencia close behind.
Agree with you that he played well last night. Good to see him working a lot harder than he used to.He may or may not make it at United. Probably won't.
He'll always have a cracking shot though. As well as an excellent range of passing, which is something he is only very recently getting credit for.
Just a pity the rest of his game needs a lot of work.
Credit where it'd due, though. He played very well last night and really got stuck in, physically, when Shalke started trying to rough us up. Played like he had a point to prove and proved it IMO.
Hmmm.....great game or good game?Great game last night. But I'm still not convinced, one good game doesn't make him 'good enough'.
I doubt he's ever going to be able to control a game and dictate play.
Looking like you could very easily lose this bet then, if he's not sold this summer then that's pretty much it. Following your 'Welbeck's more Championship level than Premiership level' it seems your ability to spot talent in a young player's not quite as good as you think, and a bit of patience can go a long way.No, people dont appreciate 'young platers' (is 22 really that young?) who quite clearly show they are our of their depth at first team level, like Gibson has done 99% of the time hes played, and youll find plenty of other people think the same way....ill have a wager with you Gibson wont be at this club in 2 years.
Sir Alex is one of the biggest backers of his striking and ability to get goals, more so than most of his backers on here I'd have thought. His striking's been a bit off this season (won't be surprised to see him get another before the end of the season) but up until then it was very promising, and he's obviously been told to focus more on his passing this season.He has a decent shot but it's not great like a lot of people make it out on here to be.
If he keeps performing like he did last night then I will happily admit being wrong about him.So, no-one going to admit they had him penned down as a one-dimensional player who could only shoot and he's beginning to prove you wrong?
That's fair!He is good enough to be part of the squad but I can't see him ever being a first teamer - it is up to him if he is satisfied to spend most of his career on the bench.
Yeah, he's got an absolute peach of a strike on him. Different class. Amazes me that there was people on here trying to claim he doesn't after, shock horror, miscuing a few.As for the quality of striking, come on, he's had some really spectacular strikes. More so than many strikers will have done at his age, never mind midfielders.
Good work as always Brwned. Where are those shooting stats from?Looking like you could very easily lose this bet then, if he's not sold this summer then that's pretty much it. Following your 'Welbeck's more Championship level than Premiership level' it seems your ability to spot talent in a young player's not quite as good as you think, and a bit of patience can go a long way.
I feel like this has been mentioned before...
Sir Alex is one of the biggest backers of his striking and ability to get goals, more so than most of his backers on here I'd have thought. His striking's been a bit off this season (won't be surprised to see him get another before the end of the season) but up until then it was very promising, and he's obviously been told to focus more on his passing this season.
Stats from November:
Shots to goals ratio
Gibson's scored 9 in 78 since his debut, or 1 in 8.6.
Ronaldo's scored 150 in 1341 over the same time period, or 1 in 8.94.
Or if you take it from Gibson's breakthrough season (08/09) it's 8.6 and 9.1 respectively. Lampard's record is 8.8 over the same period, FWIW.
Shots accuracy
31 in 78 , or 1 in every 2.52, for Gibson.
530 in 1341, or 1 in every 2.53 for Ronaldo.
As for the quality of striking, come on, he's had some really spectacular strikes. More so than many strikers will have done at his age, never mind midfielders.
Just from ESPN, couldn't be arsed adding it up again so I just went back to one of my old posts. Both ratios will look worse after this season though.Good work as always Brwned. Where are those shooting stats from?
I'm with you on the quality of his passing too. Interviews with United players would frequently pick him out as one of the best passers in training, I remember one as well where three players were asked who was best at 'hit the crossbar' competitions and all three mentioned Gibbo alongside Scholesy.
His pass to Damien Duff who was then fouled for a penalty when Ireland drew 1-1 away to Slovakia earlier in this Euro campaign was absolutely stunning, can't find a video of it though.
What he needs to work on, and what he is gradually getting better at, is getting more involved, and his defensive work. Couple of blinding tackles last nigh, mind.
I said the same thing in an earlier post mate. It really is disgusting. How one cannot see that he was one of our top 3 performers vs Schalke is beyond me, preconceived ideas or not.I'll admit that I never really believed that he was going to a 1st teamer here. I'll still take some convincing that i'm wrong. However i've also defended him many times.
Brwned, look at the MOTM thread and see how many dipsticks chose to leave him out of the top 3 entirely. These are people who watch games with preconceived ideas and refuse to believe their own eyes. Crazy stuff. Pretty easily our best player with Valencia close behind.
I don't like the assumption that this was his only good performance of the season. He's actually had more good than bad performances this season.I dislike this idea that a player is 'redeemed' in the basis of one performance as much as I hate it when a player is condemned off the back of not much more.
Gibson has been harshly treated by a section of fans who have simply been, for lack of a better word, disrespectful. A great performance or a shit performance vs Schalke doesn't change that.
His passing looked very good on Wednesday though and perhaps we are now seeing signs as to why Sir Alex persists with bringing him in every so often.
Indeed but I don't see how if people didn't rate him on Tuesday that he's suddenly disproved the doubters on the Wednesday.I don't like the assumption that this was his only good performance of the season. He's actually had more good than bad performances this season.
He's had a few solid displays this season, including helping to knock Arsenal out of the FA Cup and our best away performance all season - the 4-2 trouncing of West Ham. Even in that infamous Crawley game he was the only United player who showed some ability, with some penetrative passing early on.
Still big doubts about his long-term United future but he's definitely got more criticism than he's deserved for his overall contribution to our season.