Jadon Sancho - Chelsea (loan) watch | £5M opt-out fee

[giorno]

We will get about 15m with add ons if he doesn't sign for Chelsea. He is still a name, he has been okay at times for Chelsea and transfer fees are obscene. 15 - 20m is nothing

It isn't. Outside the PL only the big clubs pay those kind of fees really. Nobody's paying anywhere near that for Sancho

If you are lucky somebody might offer 7-8 millions for him I think, and United will likely have to pay him a chunk of his remaining wages too.

This is what happens when you overpay for a player who doesn't perform

 

[OverratedOpinion]

It isn't. Outside the PL only the big clubs pay those kind of fees really. Nobody's paying anywhere near that for Sancho

If you are lucky somebody might offer 7-8 millions for him I think, and United will likely have to pay him a chunk of his remaining wages too.

This is what happens when you overpay for a player who doesn't perform

We will get at least 15m for him if Chelsea don't sign him. I'll gladly take a bet on that.

I might agree with you if he were 29 but he's 24.

 

[hellhunter]

We will get at least 15m for him if Chelsea don't sign him. I'll gladly take a bet on that.

I might agree with you if he were 29 but he's 24.

Only if we pay out a chunk of his wages. Can't see that fee happening any other way

 

[Fortitude]

We will get at least 15m for him if Chelsea don't sign him. I'll gladly take a bet on that.

I might agree with you if he were 29 but he's 24.

From who, how? With his wages off our books?

The worst thing a footballer can do is not care, and he's more guilty of that than anyone I can think of bar Rashford. You can at least work with a talentless grafter or a try-hard, but with all the talent in the world, if you can't be bothered, you're just a stain and a strain on resources. Why do you think anyone would willingly take that on unless he shows an uptick in performance between now and the end of the season?

 

[OverratedOpinion]

From who, how? With his wages off our books?

The worst thing a footballer can do is not care, and he's more guilty of that than anyone I can think of bar Rashford. You can at least work with a talentless grafter or a try-hard, but with all the talent in the world, if you can't be bothered, you're just a stain and a strain on resources. Why do you think anyone would willingly take that on unless he shows an uptick in performance between now and the end of the season?

Because clubs need players and to sign a player who has showed the talent he has historically shown and has had a loan that wasn't disastrous is enough for 15m.

It was only last year when the footballing world was going mad over his performance in a Champions League semi final. He's 24.

This is silly to argue about cause we won't know until the summer but please feel free to quote me then.

 

[SilentWitness]

5m.

 

[Waynne]

Oh deary me. Like a new signing that we don't need. A new anchor?

 

[DarkLord1984]

5m.

Yip. It is indeed a laughing matter. Unbelievable.

 

[Annihilate Now!]

I thought things were meant to be different now...

Honestly that's as moronic as any of the deals we've done over the past however many years

 

[SilentWitness]

I thought things were meant to be different now...

Honestly that's as moronic as any of the deals we've done over the past however many years

Think it shows how desperate you were to offload him and others which is further indication of how badly it's been managed pre-Ineos.

 

[Adz_99]

Thought the deal was too good to be true last summer.

It makes his behaviour even more bizarre when you think about it. Posting "freedom" knowing full well he might get sent back. Almost as bad as when he went to Dortmund on loan and stated badge kissing and saying he was home.

He's a very odd person.

 

[Krakenzero]

If he’s okay with reducing his wages, I could see a team like West Ham or Everton paying £15-20m for him.

So a lazy dude who have publicly disrespected United and apparently values freedom would have to choose between earning 13M by doing nothing all year and then be a free agent, or earning a lot less than that while actually having to put some effort in order to save United some money.

 

[Waynne]

Thought the deal was too good to be true last summer.

It makes his behaviour even more bizarre when you think about it. Posting "freedom" knowing full well he might get sent back. Almost as bad as when he went to Dortmund on loan and stated badge kissing and saying he was home.

He's a very odd person.

If I had to sum him up. Has his head so far up his own arse. I remember one game he was telling Bruno to stop moaning against Villa in a game we lost 1-0.

 

[DarkLord1984]

Surely he doesn't want to come back, knowing that he's burned his bridges here with his stupid comments, and surely he's instructed his agent to find him another club?

 

[giorno]

We will get at least 15m for him if Chelsea don't sign him. I'll gladly take a bet on that.

I might agree with you if he were 29 but he's 24.

One year left on his contract, huge wages

 

[WeePat]

Whatever happened with him, his fall from grace has to be one of the worst in English football history. In 2020, I would have expected him to be one of the best players in the world now, not an absolute liability teams pay to get rid of.

He checked out of football a couple of years ago, like Rashford. He's not coming back (as a quality player); it'll be a drop off the edge of a cliff once the United contract is done and dusted. Not that he cares, seemingly.

I’d hoped it was just United that held him back, and he’s look pretty good at times for us, but I never wanted Sancho at Chelsea, I was shocked we were even interested, and if we have an opportunity to get out of signing him permanently to a long contract, that’s music to my ears.

I hope we actually do send him home though. There’s been no indication of Chelsea’s intent here, just the existence of the get out clause.

 

[Annihilate Now!]

Would Dortmund take him back? We owe them a final payment of £18 million this summer don’t we? Could we send him to them for free in exchange for the final payment not being required?

I think they'd probably prefer the £18m.

Besides, I seriously doubt Sancho will want to go anywhere permanently this summer... Nobody is going to pay him anywhere near what he gets now, and he'll be fully aware this will be his last big pay day.

Saudi is basically our only hope here.

 

[2 man midfield]

I think they'd probably prefer the £18m.

Besides, I seriously doubt Sancho will want to go anywhere permanently this summer... Nobody is going to pay him anywhere near what he gets now, and he'll be fully aware this will be his last big pay day.

Saudi is basically our only hope here.

Any chance we could opt out of paying it, for a small fee? Everyone else seems to be doing it

 

[Fortitude]

Because clubs need players and to sign a player who has showed the talent he has historically shown and has had a loan that wasn't disastrous is enough for 15m.

It was only last year when the footballing world was going mad over his performance in a Champions League semi final. He's 24.

This is silly to argue about cause we won't know until the summer but please feel free to quote me then.

Talent without application makes you an expensive liability, which is the last thing any club want on their books. Anyone doing their due diligence is not going to be tabling £15m bids especially so when factoring in his wage expectations. Even if the United days are soon to be over, he's still going to expect a heavy six figure per week wage, which reduces the potential suitors even more than would already be from wariness that he's on a serious downward curve to ruin.

I don't think many were going mad over him during his last stint at Dortmund, but there may have been the last embers that there was something to salvage. This Chelsea stint will have obliterated that notion and it looks like they'll gladly pay to get him off their books, which is a massive red flag for others.

£15m plus c. £150k p/w (being generous) wage is more than the vast majority of the PL are prepared to stump out for their best performing player, and if we're looking outside the PL, the amount of clubs who can afford to take him on - and would willingly do so - reduces considerably.

Unless we heavily subsidise his wage elsewhere, or he has a really impressive end to the season, I'd be amazed if anyone comes knocking outside of those wanting a serious knockdown price trying to wrangle a deal that even we mightn't agree to.

 

[golden_blunder]

Time to change the locks and take his security pass back

 

[BorisManUtd]

This summer could be a disaster if all three of Sancho, Rashford and Antony come back. Felt at one point that we'd sell all 3 of them easily but could be much different still...

 

[Shane88]

£5 million?! This dickhead is back in the summer for another year of playing Fifa for £250,000 a week.

 

[Infra-red]

This summer could be a disaster if all three of Sancho, Rashford and Antony come back. Felt at one point that we'd sell all 3 of them easily but could be much different still...

We'll still sell Sancho and Rashford (it's just that the former probably won't be joining Chelsea).

Antony, I'm not so sure - I think we might need another loan deal.

 

[Shane88]

Surely he doesn't want to come back, knowing that he's burned his bridges here with his stupid comments, and surely he's instructed his agent to find him another club?

He couldn't give a shit. He'll be happy to sit on his arse now that his attempts to revive his career have flopped. This is the last big contract he will get so he will mooch around here until the end of it.

 

[SmashedHombre]

For years we have been competing with Chelsea to see who can make the shittest transfer decisions, and it looks like we've finally proven that not even Chelsea can match us.

 

[Irrational.]

Wow. That is not a penalty, that is a loan fee.

Chelsea are laughing at us, and not for the first time.

 

[Tyrion]

No debate about his mental health on Sky Sports then? funny that, if he was still wearing a red shirt we would be hearing soundbites from all the geniuses.

But nobody gives a shit when he has another bang average performance these days...that's the Freedom he was talking about I guess.

United have been so rubbish for so long but people have to keep talking about them so it's forced them to discuss every possible explanation and take them seriously. I've listened to normally sensible journalists say that we need an entirely new squad because none of them can play 3 at the back, as if it's a different sport.

 

[G97]

I thought things were meant to be different now...

Honestly that's as moronic as any of the deals we've done over the past however many years

Even after 12 years of some of the worst decisions any club have ever made. We always keep managing to find ways to reach new heights.


— “Have this guy on loan but you are obligated to pay us £25mil in 12 months”….

— Okay but if he’s shit and we don’t want him because he’s crap and lazy we’ll give you £5mil to keep him?

— Yes, Perfect.

 

[FerociousCorgis]

Feel like should have at least been 10 for the send back fee. 5 just too easy a decision to walk away unless he crushed it. I'm which case they get a great deal on the low fee. 5 million was a no brainer punt for them

 

[Tyrion]

Wasn't he actually playing well during the start of his Chelsea stint? Seems to have defaulted back to downing tools now. He was regarded a generational talent before we signed him for a reason. The talent is definitely there but the guy seems to have some major psychological issues. Curious if we have ever tried hiring a sports psychologist to sit him down and get his head back in the game.

We tried everything.

He got game time and got a break.
He was played and dropped.
He was played on the wing and as a false nine.
He got backed by the managers and got mild criticism.
He got paid a fortune and given plenty of time.
He played for a counter attacking manager and a possession focused one.
He played for a German manager and a PL one.

I'm not sure what United could have possibly done to help him play better aside from making the whole rest of the team so good that he didn't matter.

 

[DarkLord1984]

He couldn't give a shit. He'll be happy to sit on his arse now that his attempts to revive his career have flopped. This is the last big contract he will get so he will mooch around here until the end of it.

You're probably right, and that's really sad and a complete waste of a career. We sure know how to pick them, don't we?

 

[spwd]

Even after 12 years of some of the worst decisions any club have ever made. We always keep managing to find ways to reach new heights.


— “Have this guy on loan but you are obligated to pay us £25mil in 12 months”….

— Okay but if he’s shit and we don’t want him because he’s crap and lazy we’ll give you £5mil to keep him?

— Yes, Perfect.

Yup. What a fecking cretinous decision. Welcome to the new boss, same as the old one.

 

[Zumbi]

I thought things were meant to be different now...

Honestly that's as moronic as any of the deals we've done over the past however many years

No, it’s just a reflection of what a weak position him flopping has put us in. An obligation to buy loan with a punitive break clause was still a better deal than just a loan with an option to buy would have been. The real issue here is the disastrously overpriced deal we made for him in the first place.

 

[wolvored]

I can see him back in Germany, probably a £10 mill fee. £15 mill with the penalty charge, after paying the final £18 mill for him, Utd will be £3 mill in the hole in the summer.

 

[Zumbi]

I can see him back in Germany, probably a £10 mill fee. £15 mill with the penalty charge, after paying the final £18 mill for him, Utd will be £3 mill in the hole in the summer.

Yep, I can see a German or Italian team taking a risk on him. There’s still a chance he can return to being a productive player in a less physically demanding league, and I wouldn’t be surprised to see someone taking a punt on him at a reduced fee.

 

[Teja]

No, it’s just a reflection of what a weak position him flopping has put us in. An obligation to buy loan with a punitive break clause was still a better deal than just a loan with an option to buy would have been. The real issue here is the disastrously overpriced deal we made for him in the first place.

Yeah, given the panic here about offloading him if he comes back, let's assume the only real options were keep him or send him to Chelsea for a year for 15m. I won't pretend I'm not disappointed though, really thought we were done with this guy.

 

[RedStarUnited]

For years we have been competing with Chelsea to see who can make the shittest transfer decisions, and it looks like we've finally proven that not even Chelsea can match us.

Have we? Chelsea have generated over a billion in sales, we could only dream of doing that. They sold us Mount in the last year of bis contract for £55 million. We are selling Rashford for 45…

 

[Zumbi]

Yeah, given the panic here about offloading him if he comes back, let's assume the only real options were keep him or send him to Chelsea for a year for 15m. I won't pretend I'm not disappointed though, really thought we were done with this guy.

Yeah, same. Our previous transfer failings have left us with such a fecking shit show to try and get out of. It would have been one less issue to deal with if this gamble had paid off.

 

[Krakenzero]

No, it’s just a reflection of what a weak position him flopping has put us in. An obligation to buy loan with a punitive break clause was still a better deal than just a loan with an option to buy would have been. The real issue here is the disastrously overpriced deal we made for him in the first place.

Loans usually have a fee. This contract actually managed to defer that fee for a whole season.

To summarize, United managed to save 5 to 10M from their own pocket. To do that they only had to:

-Deteriorate one of their assets in a value between 15 to 25M.
-Manage to publicly made look like fools by Chelsea.
-Face the latter part of the season with only 3 profesional forwards while playing on a 3-4-3 formation.
-Having effectively NOT sorted out the Sancho circus, prolonging the issue for another season.

 

[Reapersoul20]

João Felix loan fee was £10M.