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Jadon Sancho - Chelsea (loan) watch | £5M opt-out fee
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) talk about the proposed new stadium, season ticket prices, Sir Jim Ratcliffe and all things INEOS after the first year of their co-ownership.
They also discuss back-to-back victories vs. Real Sociedad and Leicester City - was this the best week for Amorim so far?
Let's not forget we didn't think we'd get any takers for Sancho, the deck was stacked against us in terms of negotiations and the United team probably threw a hail mary hoping Sancho would show something long enough to convince Chelsea.
How funny would it be if it's uncovered that we've been paying the media to big up these players on loan!
Also how did we end up with so many players with an atrocious work ethic?
How funny would it be if it's uncovered that we've been paying the media to big up these players on loan!
Also how did we end up with so many players with an atrocious work ethic?
Only we could fumble an obligation to buy.
It does look a bit of a joke in hindsight but maybe putting that in was the only way we’d get him away from the club. Then we just kinda hoped he’d do enough for Chelsea to keep him.
Will definitely be back then, along with Rashford and Antony.
Seemed too good to be true that we got rid.
Seemed too good to be true that we got rid.
Imagine we just loan him out for the last year of his contract then he leaves for free in 2026, hopefully can get some of the wages covered for the year. It's clear Ruben wants athletes and is often mentioning our lack of athleticism so I don't think Jadon has a chance with him and after how he's behaved since leaving I don't think the fans will want him back either.
You have to laugh….5 fecking million
Honestly. Absolutely laughable.
The more I think of it the worse it gets:
-25M mid year would have meant a net PSR gain since it's just 1 year left of the contract. With that gone the transfer budget probably gets worse.
-Those 25M were probably part of United's 25/26 budget. If that doesn't come true then you'd start the season with a deficit of 20M plus whatever cost of Sancho's wages you'll have to afford (5-6 if he goes on loan, 13 if he stays).
-Both of the above would mean selling either Garnacho or Mainoo (or both) becomes more of an urgency. With of course Chelsea being one of the potential profiteers from this scenario.
Who from United's football structure negotiated this contract?
-25M mid year would have meant a net PSR gain since it's just 1 year left of the contract. With that gone the transfer budget probably gets worse.
-Those 25M were probably part of United's 25/26 budget. If that doesn't come true then you'd start the season with a deficit of 20M plus whatever cost of Sancho's wages you'll have to afford (5-6 if he goes on loan, 13 if he stays).
-Both of the above would mean selling either Garnacho or Mainoo (or both) becomes more of an urgency. With of course Chelsea being one of the potential profiteers from this scenario.
Who from United's football structure negotiated this contract?
Pay it and send him home.
The biggest problem the new management needs to solve is getting more/better money through sales. A random caf member could’ve done a better job in spending money and handing out contracts over the last years. The new team either has an impossible task to undo the mistakes of the past or have started in similar vein themselves.
There is no way Chelsea are stupid enough to sign Sancho permanently now. We really have to find the buyers for 20 million right now. An efficient management gets it done for more than that.
There is no way Chelsea are stupid enough to sign Sancho permanently now. We really have to find the buyers for 20 million right now. An efficient management gets it done for more than that.
Disappointed it appears so low, but not really surprised. No one wanted him so we weren't in a position to push for strong terms.
They could have a Magic 8 ball at this point. Won't do a worse job, saves a lot of money in wages.
Imagine being so shit a club pays money not to buy you.
Why was this reported as an obligation to buy when it clearly isn't? It's essentially a £5m loan fee that's waived if Chelsea take up the option to purchase him.
He better not be anywhere near the first team if he comes back. Let him rot in the reserves for a year. Complete waste of space.
He better not be anywhere near the first team if he comes back. Let him rot in the reserves for a year. Complete waste of space.
Being paid £5m to keep our own player. Not a bad little earner. Now to move him on permanently in the summer.
You hate to see it.
Haha. Back to Chelsea fans and the media describing him as rubbish again.
Haha so basically a 5m loan fee
For the same reason the club's minority sale was initially reported as having a path to majority. This modus operandi allows to obscure/defer pushback.
Would you rather have had him here all season rotting in the reserves, or give him the chance to prove/raise his value on loan while getting some wage coverage, a loan fee, and either a £25m fee or £5m penalty and another attempt next year?
It’s not a great deal, but it was probably far better than the alternative at the time.
Yeah the deal was always to good to be true.
I remember some smart arse on the Cafe putting way too much faith in the “obligation” to buy.
Always read the small print when Chelsea are involved.
I remember some smart arse on the Cafe putting way too much faith in the “obligation” to buy.
Always read the small print when Chelsea are involved.
Efficient management aren’t wizards. If your tomatoes are visibly rotten, you’ll have a hard time selling them at market. Sancho has proven to be a problem time and again, no one sensible will touch him and his career will pretty much fizzle out. He might get another few (low value) contracts, from someone who fancy their chance of unlocking him. Extremely high likelihood that he will just stay up all night playing video games there too, until they’re fed up and let him go for the next guy to take a shot.
Even considering how weak our position was in all this, it's still an horrific deal.
Well done Chelsea though, the piss was there to be taken and they did it well.
Well done Chelsea though, the piss was there to be taken and they did it well.
I assumed this penalty fee would have been something close to the obligation fee or else it's not much of an obligation. That it's so much less is a joke
That would've meant a 13M loss instead of ~2M (~7M wages paid for United this season, minus the 5M penalty fee).
So it depends in how much of Sancho's sale value has diminished in one season. From playing in the UCL final and having 2 years left in his contract, to the current situation. From (according to the media) United being the problem to Sancho himself being the problem.
£5 mil get out clause? I am far too nice a person to say "I told you so", so I won't.
In all honesty, if we didn't have a million players in a similar position, I wouldn't be upset if we still buy him.
In all honesty, if we didn't have a million players in a similar position, I wouldn't be upset if we still buy him.
There's no value left after this farce of a deal
I don't really care as long as he never plays for us again. £25m was low already so trying to make up the £20m shortfall should be close to achievable from someone.
Napoli and Conte to the rescue?! Pretty please? They'll need a marque signing after Kavra leaving. Sancho would be the total opposite profile for Conte but maybe if he wins/doesn't win the league, they'll go a bit mental.
Absolutely no one will pay 20m for a player with one year left on a massive contract after another club decided to actively pay so they don't have to sign him
Chelsea are bound to send him back. With one year on his contract left more leverage moves to Sancho, he can dictate where he wouldn't be willing to move to on loan or a permanent deal, although I imagine he will have no desire to stay at United. Getting rid of players on these awful contracts from the previous regime is proving as difficult as we would have expected it to be.
We will get about 15m with add ons if he doesn't sign for Chelsea. He is still a name, he has been okay at times for Chelsea and transfer fees are obscene. 15 - 20m is nothing.
That’s true freedom?
So this guy is a complete idiot badmouthing the club when the possibility of him returning is very high.
If he’s okay with reducing his wages, I could see a team like West Ham or Everton paying £15-20m for him.
No other club wanted him unless we paid most of his wages.
Chelsea paid 80% so we saved £200k per week (£5m?) and get a £5m fee if news is true.
Alternative was paying him to do feck all for us, bar be a distraction.
He must know he's only got a year left at those wages anyway. Wouldn't be shocked if we have to chuck him a couple of million out of the fee.
Maybe having two of the biggest clubs in the country pay millions to have nothing to do with him is the freedom he's after.
Would Dortmund take him back? We owe them a final payment of £18 million this summer don’t we? Could we send him to them for free in exchange for the final payment not being required?
Whatever happened with him, his fall from grace has to be one of the worst in English football history. In 2020, I would have expected him to be one of the best players in the world now, not an absolute liability teams pay to get rid of.
He checked out of football a couple of years ago, like Rashford. He's not coming back (as a quality player); it'll be a drop off the edge of a cliff once the United contract is done and dusted. Not that he cares, seemingly.