Mikel Arteta | Lego Pep watch

BorisManUtd said:
Has it happened before in First Divison/PL that a team finished 2nd for 3 seasons in a row?
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Djemba-Djemba said:
Think Arsenal themselves did it in 99, 00 and 01.
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I mean it's funny banter but people called Klopp a serial bottler and nearly man after losing two finals in UCL, a Europa League final and coming second in EPL until he went and won it all (well except for UEL).

Let's not forget that Arsenal 99-01 won the league after finishing second three times in a row. I actually agree with some of the Arsenal fans who are quietly optimistic that they are in a good position to win it next year provided they make 1-2 good signings, mainly in attack.

City already are in transition and Liverpool without peak VVD, Salah, Robertson will not be the same either. I think the key Arsenal players will reach and or stay in their peak for another good 4-5 years while promising youngsters like Nwaneri and Lewis-Skelly mature. There's no guarantees of course, but their full story is not written just yet.
 
GoonerBear said:
Nonsense. Managers walking out of interviews in a huff is a talking point if the manager is a rookie or a serial winner. We see the reactions in here when Klopp got spikey during post match interviews after damaging results and he's won the lot.
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Do you really think people scrutinise serial winners being sore losers the same way they would trophyless Arteta? Fergie, Pep, Mou, Wenger - when they were sore losers, people would give them a hell of a lot more leeway because these guys have the medal to prove their arrogance cockiness. Arteta has nothing.
 
The Corinthian said:
Do you really think people scrutinise serial winners being sore losers the same way they would trophyless Arteta? Fergie, Pep, Mou, Wenger - when they were sore losers, people would give them a hell of a lot more leeway because these guys have the medal to prove their arrogance cockiness. Arteta has nothing.
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He isn't quite trophyless.

I just think we over analyse sometimes, and think of things as Black & White and don't take into account the nuances behind it. Statements like Arteta won't win anything because he's too emotional. Does emotion hold the likes of Klopp or Simeone back? I'd say it's more likely he won't win anything if he doesn't build a good enough team or get them playing more freely to win games.
 
Djemba-Djemba said:
Think Arsenal themselves did it in 99, 00 and 01.
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redNATION said:
Arsenal themselves did it between 99-01 :lol:
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Thanks. :lol: Well guess it could be a good sign for Arsenal as well - another 01/02 coming perhaps. All about how City and Liverpool rebuild for next season and if Arsenal do get a striker/attacking player.

jadajos said:
I mean it's funny banter but people called Klopp a serial bottler and nearly man after losing two finals in UCL, a Europa League final and coming second in EPL until he went and won it all (well except for UEL).

Let's not forget that Arsenal 99-01 won the league after finishing second three times in a row. I actually agree with some of the Arsenal fans who are quietly optimistic that they are in a good position to win it next year provided they make 1-2 good signings, mainly in attack.

City already are in transition and Liverpool without peak VVD, Salah, Robertson will not be the same either. I think the key Arsenal players will reach and or stay in their peak for another good 4-5 years while promising youngsters like Nwaneri and Lewis-Skelly mature. There's no guarantees of course, but their full story is not written just yet.
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I've been backing Arsenal to win it last 2 seasons and can see it still happening next year. But they'll have to prove they're able for that final, crucial step.
 
Tyrion said:
I don't know why they ask that question. Aside from annoying the manager.
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Because public faces should get asked the tough questions? Granted they’re just football managers and not civil servants but still, it goes with the territory. Childish behaviour by the nearly man.
 
amolbhatia50k said:
Because public faces should get asked the tough questions? Granted they’re just football managers and not civil servants but still, it goes with the territory. Childish behaviour by the nearly man.
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Almost got there without a childish insult yourself, so close.
 
Donaldo said:
Almost got there without a childish insult yourself, so close.
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Facing the press is part of his professional responsibilities though. Posting on redcafe is my escape from professional responsibilities.
 
jadajos said:
I mean it's funny banter but people called Klopp a serial bottler and nearly man after losing two finals in UCL, a Europa League final and coming second in EPL until he went and won it all (well except for UEL).

Let's not forget that Arsenal 99-01 won the league after finishing second three times in a row. I actually agree with some of the Arsenal fans who are quietly optimistic that they are in a good position to win it next year provided they make 1-2 good signings, mainly in attack.

City already are in transition and Liverpool without peak VVD, Salah, Robertson will not be the same either. I think the key Arsenal players will reach and or stay in their peak for another good 4-5 years while promising youngsters like Nwaneri and Lewis-Skelly mature. There's no guarantees of course, but their full story is not written just yet.
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City don't do multi year transitions and unless the league throws the kitchen sink at them over their charges they are going berserk in the summer. They still have Haaland, they hva brought in some good talent and will bring in more. These two seasons, this one and the next, were the window Arsenal needed to exploit.

Again, the way Liverpool recruit, it could be seamless for them too, granted it will be difficult to replace generational talents like Salah and VVD.
 
jadajos said:
I mean it's funny banter but people called Klopp a serial bottler and nearly man after losing two finals in UCL, a Europa League final and coming second in EPL until he went and won it all (well except for UEL).
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The fundamental difference is that Klopp had won plenty of titles in Germany.

Liverpool also won the Champions League in the same year they finished 2nd in the PL so calling him a 'bottler' in that context didn't really make much sense.
 
One thing about looking at Arteta's intense personality in general, is that people need a reminder of where Arsenal were.

They were similar to where Utd are now, stuck in a rut, a general air of malaise around the place, a club in need of a full cultural reboot. Players not even doing a good job of looking like they were trying, but not really, at times it was obvious. The team were seen as very soft, very easy to play against, and the club itself had lost any drive, any focus, any intensity, any even nastiness. Fundamental things needed if you want to compete, and i don't know how you instil these into a team if you are a nice, passive guy.

I've often seen and heard that this Arsenal team is instilled in the managers image. I'd argue that it actually needed to be, to get to where we are. We had a lot of catching up to do with City & Liverpool, who had vastly superior, experienced managers who had been in the job a good few years. Yeah, we've spent a lot of money, but so have others, & generally we still don't buy the top players.

Of course, he's far from perfect. There's times he takes things too far, there's times he looks like a twat, and there's times i cringe. Most managers do to be fair, especially under pressure. People can discuss and debate immeasurables like Is his intensity and emotion now stopping Arsenal from taking the next step, and that's fair enough, but it also got them to be where they are just now. I understand rival fans thinking he's a dick. Believe it or not, there's a fair amount of Arsenal fans not having him either, although they tend to be the loudy, shouty types on YouTube & X.

It might be he struggles to get over the line, but there's so much variables go into a title win. Most important is make sure you have the talent needed. I currently don't think Arsenal do in attack. Then you need luck with injuries, ref decisions, in game luck. Timing is also massive, are you peaking like Liverpool for example when others are faltering. It's ironic that the only time the title race seemed over with 10 games to go in recent years are the twice Liverpool have won it.
 
It's become routine to kick the ball out wide...and it needs to stop if we are going to get our attack going again. Carry the ball in + run/find some direct lanes. We don't have Saka and we are doing it even more. It doesn't make sense.
 
Ran away from the interviewer again, disgraceful attitude :mad:
 
Adisa said:
Awful football, feck me!
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I'm not being bad, but if anyone expected anything but Arsenal leaning into their strong defence and trying to grind results out while their strikers and Saka were out I think were sadly mistaken.
 
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Haha he takes the player psychology stuff way too far, just ends up coming across as a bit of a weirdo.
 
GlasgowCeltic said:
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Not to defend Arteta, because I also think his behaviour is pretty mental, but it seems his methods actually work. I think Calafiori went on to say this played a part in him wanting to join us and a lot of our players seem to have a very high opinion of Arteta

I guess top level footballers are a weird bunch too so that's why this weird behaviour works on them
 
Mogget said:
Not to defend Arteta, because I also think his behaviour is pretty mental, but it seems his methods actually work. I think Calafiori went on to say this played a part in him wanting to join us and a lot of our players seem to have a very high opinion of Arteta

I guess top level footballers are a weird bunch too so that's why this weird behaviour works on them
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I would say most top level footballers are completely into this sort of motivational stuff.
 
GoonerBear said:
I seen a reply to that saying that his wife is one of these motivational life coaches. I looked it up and it seems it's true. I bet half these ideas come from her.
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You're not a true Arsenal fan if you haven't ordered his wife's book. Support the Arteta family !
 
Mogget said:
Not to defend Arteta, because I also think his behaviour is pretty mental, but it seems his methods actually work. I think Calafiori went on to say this played a part in him wanting to join us and a lot of our players seem to have a very high opinion of Arteta

I guess top level footballers are a weird bunch too so that's why this weird behaviour works on them
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This kind of wanky behaviour just ensures you have the types of people you are able to control in your team. If you don’t like their answers or they aren’t enthused by it, you don’t hire them. It gets you a very effective team to manage, as you already know they’ve brought into you and your methods, but it means you’ll never be a truly great team. He’s just a LinkedIn wanker, with a team full of LinkedIn wankers.

You need the mavericks, you need to be able to motivate and manage different kinds of people, otherwise you end up with a team full of the same strengths, but riddled with the same weaknesses.

This is why you fail at the same hurdle each time. It’s why Ole was never good enough for United. Or Southgate for England.
 
rimaldo said:
This kind of wanky behaviour just ensures you have the types of people you are able to control in your team. If you don’t like their answers or they aren’t enthused by it, you don’t hire them. It gets you a very effective team to manage, as you already know they’ve brought into you and your methods, but it means you’ll never be a truly great team. He’s just a LinkedIn wanker, with a team full of LinkedIn wankers.

You need the mavericks, you need to be able to motivate and manage different kinds of people, otherwise you end up with a team full of the same strengths, but riddled with the same weaknesses.

This is why you fail at the same hurdle each time. It’s why Ole was never good enough for United. Or Southgate for England.
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Here's me thinking it's mainly because we don't have a good enough attack.
 
GoonerBear said:
Here's me thinking it's mainly because we don't have a good enough attack.
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Anyone you buy would just be the same as Havertz or Jesus; promising Arteta they will aim for 6 goal involvements in Q2, with two of them occurring in the EMEA region.
 
rimaldo said:
This kind of wanky behaviour just ensures you have the types of people you are able to control in your team. If you don’t like their answers or they aren’t enthused by it, you don’t hire them. It gets you a very effective team to manage, as you already know they’ve brought into you and your methods, but it means you’ll never be a truly great team. He’s just a LinkedIn wanker, with a team full of LinkedIn wankers.

You need the mavericks, you need to be able to motivate and manage different kinds of people, otherwise you end up with a team full of the same strengths, but riddled with the same weaknesses.

This is why you fail at the same hurdle each time. It’s why Ole was never good enough for United. Or Southgate for England.
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That's a fair point. He's been able to motivate the team and coach them well enough for us to be the second best team but there is the question of whether he can manage to get us over the line for a major trophy.
 
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