Will Bruno achieve legend status at utd?

Not a legend in my eyes. He has been the best player at the club since he joined but we have massively underperformed and will not win the league or CL during his time here.

Although his output is crazy good, his performance particularly in the last couple of years have been largely quite poor in many matches.

I think he will be overwhelming looked on favourably when he leaves the clubs but for me legends are players like Keane, Cantona, Schmeichel, Scholes, Rooney etc. and he is nowhere near that kind of company.
 
I don't know where the bar between legendary status vs incredible player for the club lies but I think he has been a great player for the club since he has been signed. Incredible engine, always available, creates, scores, pretty much the only player over the last 5 years with any amount of consistency.

He might not be KdB or Salah tier in terms of ability but to think he won't do well elsewhere is delusional. He's easily better than the likes of Grealish, Bilva, Foden and co.

It seems like most people's take is we're shit right now so he can't be a legend but that's a strange bar.
 
Bright_Eyes said:
I get that we've been historically great but we aren't anymore. Bruno may not be a legend but expecting any one player to lift the squads of the past five years to PL or CL greatness is a wild ask.
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For sure, almost as wild as asking the question of this thread.
 
Think he'd need a bit of a fairytale ending ala Robbo to get legendary status, but he'll be looked on overwhelmingly as the only real bright spot of the last 10 years.
 
I like Bruno, and he’s easily our best player. But it’s going to be hard to look back at this and the last few seasons with affection for any player given how poor we’ve been. Unfortunately for Bruno he has been our captain during our toughest seasons in many memories.
Personally, I think he goes this summer with a decent offer coming in. He won’t want to stick around for a relegation battle next season and why should he.
 
Teja said:
I don't know where the bar between legendary status vs incredible player for the club lies but I think he has been a great player for the club since he has been signed. Incredible engine, always available, creates, scores, pretty much the only player over the last 5 years with any amount of consistency.

He might not be KdB or Salah tier in terms of ability but to think he won't do well elsewhere is delusional. He's easily better than the likes of Grealish, Bilva, Foden and co.
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I am sure, they care a lot when looking at their trophies
Teja said:
It seems like most people's take is we're shit right now so he can't be a legend but that's a strange bar.
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Why is it strange? The whole team is underperforming and we are going through a time of next to no success. Most fans wouldn't blink with an eye about a description like "a great player since he has been signed" but this thread is about legend status and people think (rightfully in my personal opinion) that the legend status stops meaning something when it is achievable without some ingredients.
 
No one at United going forward will have legendary status without a league or Champions League to their name, the modern fanbase is too neurotic and resentful for it.
 
NZT-One said:
Why is it strange? The whole team is underperforming and we are going through a time of next to no success. Most fans wouldn't blink with an eye about a description like "a great player since he has been signed" but this thread is about legend status and people think (rightfully in my personal opinion) that the legend status stops meaning something when it is achievable without some ingredients.
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What if we just become a mid-table club for eternity? Are there going to be no more legends?
 
Teja said:
What if we just become a mid-table club for eternity? Are there going to be no more legends?
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I am not a United fan for too long (in comparison to some other guys on here), I know Robson has legend status even though he played during a time of bare success. Are there any legends from eras where United wasn't successful? None come to my mind (which again, isn't saying much) but legends from the successful eras are known even to somebody like me...

After all, everybody is free to do whatever they like. If you want to call Bruno a legend, why wouldn't you. At the end of the day, the term will probably end up the same as terms like "world class", "generational" or "dominate". Stuff that everybody uses but everybody does it differently. I can only say, what my point of view is and I think, adding new entries to the legend list always has an influence on the ones, that are on there. I don't think, a long list is a good thing. (Maybe except you are Real Madrid or maybe AC Milan with so much success in their history)
 
He's nowhere near good enough to be considered a "legend" of Utd. Players like Carrick or even Fletcher contributed far more to Utd than he did. He's a good player in a very shitty UTD squad, but that doesn't make him as good as we think. None of the post Fergie era signings have achieved the "legend" status.
 
Teja said:
What if we just become a mid-table club for eternity? Are there going to be no more legends?
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Well it's kind of an oxymoron, assuming legends generally have to win something substantial so you wouldnt be a mid table club.

Unless you were mid table and randomly had a striker scoring 30 goals a season, but also had a defence that conceded 90 a season, but that somehow clung onto said striker.

Can you think of any mid table club that had players considered legends other than say Wigan with their fa Cup team.

You could do a Leicester I suppose, but even then they were from a position of little history. You still face the past full of legends.
 
Definite legend in my view.

He would easily fit in and improve various SAF teams over the years.
 
KingEric04 said:
He's nowhere near good enough to be considered a "legend" of Utd. Players like Carrick or even Fletcher contributed far more to Utd than he did. He's a good player in a very shitty UTD squad, but that doesn't make him as good as we think. None of the post Fergie era signings have achieved the "legend" status.
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Carrick will go down as a great player at United but Fletcher will not, great commitment but not elite level.
As for Bruno, he has been a great player for us in a very poor team, he would have trieved under Fergie where he would have had far less pressure to be everywhere. Great player, not all our players are rubbish.
 
Not sure if this has been asked or discussed in this thread already.

But if Bruno drags us to an Europa League win this season, would that push him towards legend status for people?
 
daba said:
Not sure if this has been asked or discussed in this thread already.

But if Bruno drags us to an Europa League win this season, would that push him towards legend status for people?
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If every match is like that clip where everyone else is just misplacing passes around him while he basically goes on and scores solo goals, then sure.
 
daba said:
Not sure if this has been asked or discussed in this thread already.

But if Bruno drags us to an Europa League win this season, would that push him towards legend status for people?
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Not for me.

PL or CL winner should be the minimum standard expected of a Utd legend.
 
daba said:
Not sure if this has been asked or discussed in this thread already.

But if Bruno drags us to an Europa League win this season, would that push him towards legend status for people?
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No because if that's the standard we are aspiring too then we may as well quit
 
Long_Harry said:
Well it's kind of an oxymoron, assuming legends generally have to win something substantial so you wouldnt be a mid table club.

Unless you were mid table and randomly had a striker scoring 30 goals a season, but also had a defence that conceded 90 a season, but that somehow clung onto said striker.

Can you think of any mid table club that had players considered legends other than say Wigan with their fa Cup team.

You could do a Leicester I suppose, but even then they were from a position of little history. You still face the past full of legends.
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Matt le tissier, Paul gascoigne for spurs, Leighton baines, neville Southall, Harry Kane for Spurs, Alan shearer for Newcastle...
 
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Obviously he's a legend. The idea that he needs to win the league or CL is nonsense - that'd mean that, for example, Buchan is excluded from the legend status conversation. And Buchan is a Utd legend.

Hypothetically, if Robson had left slightly earlier by this criteria he'd not be a legend.

Bruno is a legend in a way that many more decorated players could never be, for reasons that should really be onvious to anyone who watches us regularly.
 
I think he's been a great player here, but it's a shame he hasn't played in any good United sides. Can't be a legend because he hasn't really done anything, other than be a good player. Hard to be a legend without leaving a mark.
 
Camilo said:
I think he's been a great player here, but it's a shame he hasn't played in any good United sides. Can't be a legend because he hasn't really done anything, other than be a good player. Hard to be a legend without leaving a mark.
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But he has won trophies, no? For some reason some folks seem to be implying that only the PL and CL 'count' as trophies.
 
Fingeredmouse said:
Obviously he's a legend. The idea that he needs to win the league or CL is nonsense - that'd mean that, for example, Buchan is excluded from the legend status conversation. And Buchan is a Utd legend.

Hypothetically, if Robson had left slightly earlier by this criteria he'd not be a legend.

Bruno is a legend in a way that many more decorated players could never be, for reasons that should really be onvious to anyone who watches us regularly.
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Buchan captained the team that stopped Liverpool from completing the first treble decades before we even had a sniff. That's as valuable as a league title. Bruno's not in the same ball park.
 
Wilt said:
Not for me.

PL or CL winner should be the minimum standard expected of a Utd legend.
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Take away the bit part the Robson played in our first PL title - would that mean he wasn’t a legend?

David May won the the treble, but players have won far far less and are legends.

Clearly Bruno is not one of the true greats of the game - and United are lucky to have so many.

But he’s been the best player, and by quite some margin since Sir Alex left.

If Bruno was part of one of Sir Alex’s teams he would be a PL winner.

Whether he’s a legend or not is subjective, but I don’t think you have to tie them to team achievements.
 
erikcred said:
Buchan captained the team that stopped Liverpool from completing the first treble decades before we even had a sniff. That's as valuable as a league title. Bruno's not in the same ball park.
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Ah so you mean that only PL and CL count for legendary status, except when you disagree?
 
Barring a miracle turnaround, for many, Bruno will be more remembered for captaining the worst Utd team in living memory.
 
The only player that turns up consistently, and brought us some joy in a sea of shite that has been the past decade. Will be a legend in my books.
 
ClaytonBlackmoorLeftPeg said:
Take away the bit part the Robson played in our first PL title - would that mean he wasn’t a legend?

David May won the the treble, but players have won far far less and are legends.

Clearly Bruno is not one of the true greats of the game - and United are lucky to have so many.

But he’s been the best player, and by quite some margin since Sir Alex left.

If Bruno was part of one of Sir Alex’s teams he would be a PL winner.

Whether he’s a legend or not is subjective, but I don’t think you have to tie them to team achievements.
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If we're talking objectively, it's the player in the PFA Team of the Year 4 times in that period.
 
Wilt said:
Barring a miracle turnaround, for many, Bruno will be more remembered for captaining the worst Utd team in living memory.
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I don't rate Bruno as a captain. However, who else would they give it to.
And compared to the United legends of the past, he probably is not at that level.
But on balance, he is one of the very few game changers amongst a sea of mediocraty.
 
lsd said:
The fact we are in there Europa is a sign of falling standards. Nobody part of that is legend status
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Wilt said:
Barring a miracle turnaround, for many, Bruno will be more remembered for captaining the worst Utd team in living memory.
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Exactly. I mean, who was our best player in 1974? nobody cares because the whole team was shite.
 
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