VAR, Refs and Linesmen | General Discussion

Snow said:
You're contradicting yourself. If you think that it was a foul and a red card then the ref made an obvious mistake on the pitch and therefor VAR should have intervened.

I simply think that the ref and VAR didn't have the balls to make the correct call. If it were just a penalty call and not a red either party might have given it.

Michael Oliver-like decision making.
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See the post below my initial one, even a United fan thought it was between a shoulder barge and a shove. VAR could also have been of that opinion hence why it wasn't enough to overturn it? My initial point was more in the sense of "do they have to assess whether it's a foul or do they have to assess whether the referee made a clear and obvious error", I don't think those two things are the same. But if the ref gives that I believe VAR would definitely have also agreed with the call.

Don't think it's about having balls at all, we've seen VAR intervene earlier and in bigger games countless times by now.
 
RobinLFC said:
See the post below my initial one, even a United fan thought it was between a shoulder barge and a shove. VAR could also have been of that opinion hence why it wasn't enough to overturn it? My initial point was more in the sense of "do they have to assess whether it's a foul or do they have to assess whether the referee made a clear and obvious error", I don't think those two things are the same. But if the ref gives that I believe VAR would definitely have also agreed with the call.

Don't think it's about having balls at all, we've seen VAR intervene earlier and in bigger games countless times by now.
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It's about balls yes. Doesn't matter what happens in other games when it's different personnel. The issue with VAR is consistency and the lack of consistency is a mix of poor quality (less so in Europe) and different people refereeing. That's normal.
 
RobinLFC said:
See the post below my initial one, even a United fan thought it was between a shoulder barge and a shove. VAR could also have been of that opinion hence why it wasn't enough to overturn it? My initial point was more in the sense of "do they have to assess whether it's a foul or do they have to assess whether the referee made a clear and obvious error", I don't think those two things are the same. But if the ref gives that I believe VAR would definitely have also agreed with the call.

Don't think it's about having balls at all, we've seen VAR intervene earlier and in bigger games countless times by now.
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He’s wrong too then.

Perhaps accidentally, but you’ve called it what it was… a barge. You can go shoulder to shoulder with another player, there’s no law that says you’re allowed to shove/barge someone in the back.
 
RobinLFC said:
See the post below my initial one, even a United fan thought it was between a shoulder barge and a shove. VAR could also have been of that opinion hence why it wasn't enough to overturn it? My initial point was more in the sense of "do they have to assess whether it's a foul or do they have to assess whether the referee made a clear and obvious error", I don't think those two things are the same. But if the ref gives that I believe VAR would definitely have also agreed with the call.

Don't think it's about having balls at all, we've seen VAR intervene earlier and in bigger games countless times by now.
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Liverpool fans will never accept that Liverpool are treated differently by officials.
It’s blindingly obvious.
 
OldSchoolManc said:
Liverpool fans will never accept that Liverpool are treated differently by officials.
It’s blindingly obvious.
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So was it also true when rival fans were saying it about United when you were winning things? Or is it just Liverpool then?
 
VAR is just pointless at this stage. Can't get the most basic errors fixed.
 
I'd understand it if it was from the side, but it's a fairly obvious one from behind so i'm surprised the ref just ignores it.
 
Sums up the VAR problem nicely, disallows a brilliant goal because a player's heel is offside, but receives ball in onside position, so what advantage exactly? Fails to intervene on blatant DOGSO.

Pre VAR the goals stands and Konate gets away with it, I wouldn't have a problem with that. It's a tough decision for on field ref to make, but in replay it's clear and obvious.

Honestly mind boggling.
 
Longshanks said:
Sums up the VAR problem nicely, disallows a brilliant goal because a player's heel is offside, but receives ball in onside position, so what advantage exactly? Fails to intervene on blatant DOGSO.

Pre VAR the goals stands and Konate gets away with it, I wouldn't have a problem with that. It's a tough decision for on field ref to make, but in replay it's clear and obvious.

Honestly mind boggling.
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Agree with this, it does seem anti football to be disallowing such goals, obviously happy last night. Konate very lucky, the PSG player wants to stay up and score as he is through, Konate panicked a bit as he does at times and committed a foul disguised as a bit of a shoulder barge as he didn't push his arms out. It should have been a free kick and red card though.

On the plus side for Liverpool, nice in a way that it'snot just the Salah show again, need others to step up and Allison was amazing last night. Trent one of his better defensive games too. Tie far from over, this PSG side look like they should be very dangerous in any game.
 
Longshanks said:
Sums up the VAR problem nicely, disallows a brilliant goal because a player's heel is offside, but receives ball in onside position, so what advantage exactly? Fails to intervene on blatant DOGSO.

Pre VAR the goals stands and Konate gets away with it, I wouldn't have a problem with that. It's a tough decision for on field ref to make, but in replay it's clear and obvious.

Honestly mind boggling.
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Semi Auto offside just as gache as the manual version. It's what happens when you apply digital technology to a law that's there to stop goal hanging..

Konate is a really small nudge, it happens pretty often that those aren't called even if by the letter they could be.

I can't understand how anyone thinks VAR is a positive addition to the spectacle. It's awful, football is an analogue game with many grey areas in laws and better just to have analogue officiating, accept the odd mistake, give retrospective bans for really bad missed stuff and enjoy the game...
 
LochGormanAbú said:
Agree with this, it does seem anti football to be disallowing such goals, obviously happy last night. Konate very lucky, the PSG player wants to stay up and score as he is through, Konate panicked a bit as he does at times and committed a foul disguised as a bit of a shoulder barge as he didn't push his arms out. It should have been a free kick and red card though.

On the plus side for Liverpool, nice in a way that it'snot just the Salah show again, need others to step up and Allison was amazing last night. Trent one of his better defensive games too. Tie far from over, this PSG side look like they should be very dangerous in any game.
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Whut? He got absolutely roasted by Barcola on a lot of occasions. Love him but he's awful against rapid attackers, same way United used to deploy Rashford against him back in the days.
 
Mb194dc said:
Semi Auto offside just as gache as the manual version. It's what happens when you apply digital technology to a law that's there to stop goal hanging..

Konate is a really small nudge, it happens pretty often that those aren't called even if by the letter they could be.

I can't understand how anyone thinks VAR is a positive addition to the spectacle. It's awful, football is an analogue game with many grey areas in laws and better just to have analogue officiating, accept the odd mistake, give retrospective bans for really bad missed stuff and enjoy the game...
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What :lol:
 
LochGormanAbú said:
Agree with this, it does seem anti football to be disallowing such goals, obviously happy last night. Konate very lucky, the PSG player wants to stay up and score as he is through, Konate panicked a bit as he does at times and committed a foul disguised as a bit of a shoulder barge as he didn't push his arms out. It should have been a free kick and red card though.

On the plus side for Liverpool, nice in a way that it'snot just the Salah show again, need others to step up and Allison was amazing last night. Trent one of his better defensive games too. Tie far from over, this PSG side look like they should be very dangerous in any game.
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Fair play to you for being honest about it.
 
RobinLFC said:
Whut? He got absolutely roasted by Barcola on a lot of occasions. Love him but he's awful against rapid attackers, same way United used to deploy Rashford against him back in the days.
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there was plenty of roastings given out last night, but he got in a fair number of blocks and interceptions and no wreckless tackles, did ok but part of that is comparing him to himself up against weaker opposition
 
Rooney in Paris said:
What :lol:
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I just call what I see, by the letter that's a foul, but you often see them not given...

It's why VAR doesn't work, can give a pen at pretty much every corner for holding as well if you really want to...

Similar for the GK 6 second law, so farcical they change the law because not even enforced wtf is that ?

Can't put digital reffing to a sport with grey areas of law everywhere. It's nonsensical.
 
Mb194dc said:
I just call what I see, by the letter that's a foul, but you often see them not given...

It's why VAR doesn't work, can give a pen at pretty much every corner for holding as well if you really want to...

Similar for the GK 6 second law, so farcical they change the law because not even enforced wtf is that ?

Can't put digital reffing to a sport with grey areas of law everywhere. It's nonsensical.
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Just yet another example of the chaos that refereeing has become. No refs enforce a good deterrent, so let’s change the law. Same with holding and shirt tugging. Even if it wasn’t perfect solution, at least try to be consistent.
 
They're worried about keepers holding onto the ball and changing the offside rule... Just feckin' sort handballs out first.

Getting a penalty for some of these handballs in the box is just so ridiculous and undeserved
 
Wouldn't mind but barely anyone even appealed for that penalty. Just shows they are searching for things to punish.
 
Does it ever just feel like we never get those type of handball calls in our favour. Have I just a victim mentality and my mind has just erased calls we get like that. Who doesn't jump without raising their hands? It'd be unnatural to jump without raising your hands.
 
Annihilate Now! said:
They're worried about keepers holding onto the ball and changing the offside rule... Just feckin' sort handballs out first.

Getting a penalty for some of these handballs in the box is just so ridiculous and undeserved
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Getting rid of penalties altogether solves a lot of problems.
 
I'd want a pen for that the other way around so can't say too much about it
 
Annihilate Now! said:
Oh I'm totally on this train.

Unless it's denying a goal scoring opportunity I would be happy for any foul in the box to just be IDFK.

Probably a too big a change for football though.
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I've been banging the drum for non-deliberate handball being an indirect free kick inside the box. It's a more than justified reward for what the majority of handballs actually are.
 
I don't think that's a penalty at all, it's not a biased take but that's a really really harsh one imo.
 
chris123 said:
I've been banging the drum for non-deliberate handball being an indirect free kick inside the box. It's a more than justified reward for what the majority of handballs actually are.
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Plus Indirect Free Kicks in the box are one of the best things in football
 
At this point I wish they’d just change the handball rule to if you handle it in the box regardless of the circumstances then it’s a penalty because that’s what it’s essentially become, instead of hiding behind this unnatural position bollocks! The people setting the rules have clearly never played the game, raising your arms while jumping is completely natural. Jumping with your arms by your side or behind your back is the unnatural thing to do, such a fecking stupid rule!
 
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