3 or 4 good signings can easily get us back in the CL race. FFS even Bournemouth manged it by spending 90m last summer and 40m of that was on a striker who has only managed 5 PL goals. Forest as well. Spent around 82m and went from relegation contenders to serious top 4 contenders
Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) are here to discuss three 1-1 draws.
The first got us knocked out of the FA Cup, the next puts us in a good position in our Round of 16 Europa League game, and the latest was an actual decent performance against Arsenal at Old Trafford.
All hopes for the season now rest on the Europa League - does Amorim have the squad to win it?
We finished 8th last season with a squad that was wrecked by injuries then strengthened last summer so to claim we are a bottom half team is ludicrus, we are a top 6 team that appointed tbe wrong manager
Yup, just check the league table. Too many players are technically poor or lack running power.
We were incredibly lucky to finish as high as 8th. We played like a bottom half team, no different to current performances.
To say we're a top 6 team is utterly ludicrous and arrogant.
That list wasn’t that big last season and when you consider the summer investment it shouldn’t be this season.
So except for player quality there has to be a valid reason.
A part of the reason we performed so badly was because we were wrecked by injuries the whole season, we couldnt even play the same back 4 in consecutive games and Jonny Evans who was brought in as a back-up ended up playing more games than any of our other defenders.
The summer investment was poor first XI wise. No major upgrades. The most expensive, Ugarte wouldn't get in at least 7 of those sides.
People focus far to much on the defence being a problem with this side, it coped last season and it's the strongest part of the team now.
We're a bottom half side because we have so little goal threat, a midfield that can barely run or pass and a keeper that makes huge errors.
He also played better than most of them. Which says it all really. And he’s been basically injured the whole time Amorim’s been here.
Yup. The fact that it’s been nearly two fecking years is ridiculous. Our worst run of football since before 1992.
Where we really fecked up, is not getting a reliable striker. We should have gotten a top striker four years ago instead of an aging Ronaldo.
Then, when Ten Hag arrived we got him Weghorst to replace Martial and Ronaldo.
Next we got Højlund, who seemed to get going after five months, but lost his form this season.
We needed to get an experienced striker to help him, but instead we got another prospect, Zirkzee.
We have two strikers who can‘t lead the line. I‘m not blaming them; they are young and part of a dysfunctional situation.
Then, when Ten Hag arrived we got him Weghorst to replace Martial and Ronaldo.
Next we got Højlund, who seemed to get going after five months, but lost his form this season.
We needed to get an experienced striker to help him, but instead we got another prospect, Zirkzee.
We have two strikers who can‘t lead the line. I‘m not blaming them; they are young and part of a dysfunctional situation.
Who are those 3 or 4 good signings for Ruben?
Completely agree with this post.
I think if you look at the squad right now it obviously requires replacements for Rashford and Antony. But apart from that the midfield requires at least two starting level players who can come straight into the team and raise the physical and technical levels of the team in the centre of the pitch.
And the midfield is the big weakness in this team imo and improving the midfield will show the biggest upturn in performance because when you have a midfield that has the ability to win duels along with the ability to be a vertical passing threat in possession, then the backline and the forwards will have players in central areas who they can play off. Currently that isn't happening and it's causing all sorts of problems and it's pretty easy for the opponent to zone in on our inabilities in central midfield which makes their tactical approach pretty straight forward.
Two CMs along with a CB who fits the criteria above will noticeably raise the level of performance imo and knit everything together. And for me that would give the coaching staff the personnel in the deeper areas of the pitch (rest defense) to control the game in-possession as well as having the duel winning capability to thwart counters in a higher line. This team doesn't have a rest defense anywhere near strong enough to play a higher line and hence the pressing from the front is ineffective.
So it remains to be seen how they go about improving the team and the summer transfer window will be interesting to follow.
We have to be ruthless. No more excuses. The manager needs to have results to earn himself time and budget to spend. We can't keep supporting the manager blindly and hope that it will works out in the future. This is exactly why we are in this situation now. Wasted more than a billion and 10 years still we are going nowhere.
It seems very bleak now for Amorim and it's clear that he may not up to PL standard. If he can't improve by end of the season, we should be looking at other manager. At least this is what big club like RM, Barca and BM will do.
It seems very bleak now for Amorim and it's clear that he may not up to PL standard. If he can't improve by end of the season, we should be looking at other manager. At least this is what big club like RM, Barca and BM will do.
Yeah missing out on the likes of Kane or Isak heck even people like Mateta/Watkins is hurting us
Which if you follow the logic means that the deadwoods were our best players.
We could be ruthless like RM, BM, and Barca if we had the kind of squads they have. Then a manager has no excuse. Our squad is the pits - precisely because of spending a billion over 10 years on utter dross. The manager is the least of our problems.
So we continue to support a manager than show zero improvement? In fact we have regressed. So the solution is give him more time and 300M in the summer transfer window? Then pray hard?
Look I'm not saying he should be sack now or he should get Top 4. But he needs to show improvement at the very least establish a effective style of play?
Every team needs a clutch player.
That was Rashford when we finished 3rd.
We don't have such player now.
I mean look at Liverpool. Without Salah they are in top 6 battle. He is single handedly carrying their title challenge.
That was Rashford when we finished 3rd.
We don't have such player now.
I mean look at Liverpool. Without Salah they are in top 6 battle. He is single handedly carrying their title challenge.
Clearly Ruben wants Quenda and striker, however has been little noise about signing a left sided 10 or any midfielders either which is concerning.
Yeah, it's a mess.
We've got centre backs that apart from Yoro, haven't got the pace to play a high line.
We have no cover at wing back.
In terms of midfield, it looked like Bruno was going to become the joiner player we needed but the last few performances have been a regression to the norm. Mainoo has completely gone away from his main attributes (ball carrying and dribbling), and become a poor short back and sides merchant. Ugarte looks bafflingly knackered a lot. Eriksen isn't getting a look in because he's gone in the summer. Mount is an apparition and we're relying on Collyer to step up.
Up top Garnacho is missing for fun, Hojlund is struggling, Zirkzee is the answer to a question nobody asked and our best attacker is out for the season.
If you watched all the games last season you would know we were lucky to finish that high.
We we literally stealing points on a lot of occasions.
How in the hell are we a top 6 team 
christ this is more delusional than RAWK back in the day.
christ this is more delusional than RAWK back in the day.How in the hell are we a top 6 team
People are damaged from playing Football manager.
They think a coach comes, shuffles around the toys and then Preston north end goes from 4th division to winning the CL.
All right, but apart from the sanitation, the medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, a fresh water system, and public health, what have the Romans ever done for us?
We don't, we are a mid-table team.
The league table at this stage in the season doesn't lie. Just like everyone else, we're exactly where we deserve to be.
Well, the deadwoods were bodies we could use to put it bluntly. We now have a smaller squad with no replacementsWhich if you follow the logic means that the deadwoods were our best players.
Overhauling squads is a lot more like playing Football Manager, the key element that is actually missing in Football manager and can easily be ignored is coaching.
I don't think Ruben should be sacked this season either. But I do agree if he is sacked anytime in the next year I think we'll change style/formation again with a new manager. Despite claiming their intention is to get best in class and form a proper footballing structure. It still looks tome like the new regime are winging it.
How could you forget orgies?
All of them will. If we sacked him and hired a new coach, they’d all get a fresh start. I mean the criticism of Amorim far outweighs that of that players, just as it did Ten Hag. That’ll just continue.
I would be alright with Amorim starting next season even if this season continues as poorly. But if after a pre-season and transfer window we are still struggling next season then the club need to have a plan and be willing to pull the trigger on it quickly. We've basically wrote off two seasons in a row by dithering and allowing the Ten Hag project continue way past the point where it shoudl have ended. Personally I think ETH should have gone in late 2023.
For me 1-2 seasons depending on results and performances is more than enough time to determine if a manager is the right man for the job.
Rashford and Antony didn't get a fresh start under Amorim. We wanted them both gone regardless of the manager.
You laugh but most of the caf seemed to be giddy all summer, with those great signings. I'm biased because I didn't rate these players in the first place so my opinion is meaningless. 78% gave it a grade between 7 and 9 out of 10.
We were 5th or 6th this time last year with the most injury damaged squad, and all posters here say we were lucky and should be 15th..
We had 12 points won by McTominay and Mainoo saving us in the last second at this point.
Our luck has expired.
I wouldn't derail the next season also, just because of wishful thinking. Without tangible improvement this season, I would not dare to give Amorim the summer and the start of the next season, we might lose again 6 from the first 10 games in the PL and we will be in the same situation as now.
With ETH a massive mistake was made when he was given this season after it was clear that we were going nowhere with him after the previous one. Let's not repeat the same mistake again.
Manager played players in preferred positions shock horror.