Didn't one of the reliable journalists say that they are looking for someone who can get the best out of the available players? I don't see us having a big summer now. I guess that was one of the reasons for not going for someone new as they would have asked for significant improvements in the playing staff.
Club Ownership | INEOS responsible for the football side
- Thread starter Solius
- Start date
-
In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Jamie (@Vault Dweller) are here to talk about United's dreadful home defeat at the hands of Big Ange's Tottenham Hotspur. Should this have been the end of Ten Hag? How long does he actually have left? And does Nik finally want ETH out?!
- Status
Didn't one of the reliable journalists say that they are looking for someone who can get the best out of the available players? I don't see us having a big summer now. I guess that was one of the reasons for not going for someone new as they would have asked for significant improvements in the playing staff.
Tuchel would have been an interesting and probably the better choice.
Also to your last point. EtH has been backed financially to an incredible level so far. He just blew that completely. I hope our new guys know better and do what they think helps the team.
You just have to look at Nice to know that they're as incompetent as the Glazers.
You guys are funny. So because they make a decision you don’t like, they’re clowns.
This isn’t an overnight fix. Turning around 19 years of utter incompetence from the Glazers, where a culture of mediocrity has been allowed to spread into every area of the club, will take some time.
Bingo.
It won't, it's great ammo for doom-and-gloomers, people who believe unreliable sources like the Daily Mail without question, and people who so desperately wanted Qatar that they'll fell vindicated whenever Ineos make a (in their opinion) bad decision.
That's nonsense. This squad is much better than 8th best in the league, and even if we spend heavily (which I'm expecting), it's important to get a tune out of the current players. Players who performed well at other clubs before joining us, or players who performed well for us before this season happened, didn't just forget how to play football overnight.
An opportunity to hard reset the club came and went. By december ETH will be on a new contract and with no goal difference. Persisting with him will guarantee mediocrity. Eventualy mainoo and our other talented youngsters wants to play for CL. Fun times.
it is completely daft its been tuned into a drama at all since, as you say, everything about it seem rather reasonable. We gave it some breathing space from a cup win so as to avoid an LVG situation (something the last regime were famously criticised for) but ended up getting it sorted literally weeks later and before the Euros started.
Even if we eventually had sacked him, what difference would those 2 and a half weeks have made exactly? Everyone’s either on holiday or international duty and the only manager we missed out on was Vincent Kompany. The only people it inconvenienced were those working themselves into a frenzy at the idea he might stay and getting angrier and angrier at the club for not satisfying their desire for ritual humiliation.
“they did something that i didn’t want to happen,” is different from gross incompetence.
Honestly I'm impressed that you're still pretending you even have sources.
Yeah, pretty much, and works for enraging and engaging both groups of fans. Those who wanted to keep ETH were using it to support their case, and now those who wanted ETH out will be using it all next season.
And we can also stop blindly defending every decision the club makes just because it goes with the flow. The handling of this review has been nothing short of an embarrassment.
The guy who presided over our worse premier league season ever gets a new contract but at least Trevor from accounts can't work from home anymore or use the players canteen. All very corporate.
Ineos on trial now to see how this decision impacts the quality players willing to come to the club. Hope they don't waste money on overpriced players from the Prem and find some nuggets elsewhere.
I tried explaining this a week or so ago. The drama and hysteria literally existed in this thread and in a melodramatic corner of Twitter where people somehow made out it had been going on for months and the season was starting next week and everything has gone tits up. Literally nothing has happened and that’s the real reason most are upset.
Great post - 100% this
Seems like Man Utd fans are more dramatic than the media.
Leaving aside whether I agree with the actual decision, I think they have made this job a whole lot harder for Ten Hag.
If there was a possibility for Ten Hag to stay, why did they brief the media about the season review? Could they have not shut down all the questions about Ten Hag and backed the manager publicly , and then carried doing their review internally?
You can be sure that most of the press conferences next season would be all about Ten Hag’s position and if he is getting the sack.
If there was a possibility for Ten Hag to stay, why did they brief the media about the season review? Could they have not shut down all the questions about Ten Hag and backed the manager publicly , and then carried doing their review internally?
You can be sure that most of the press conferences next season would be all about Ten Hag’s position and if he is getting the sack.
If he's doing the job he was brought in to do, there would be no reason for that to happen. Start the season with chaotic football, conceding 20 shots a game and it will be all about the sack obviously.
They have much to prove, however trying to have some sense of positivity about this summer
This would have likely been the case in any interview though. If someone rocks up and says, "I will transform this United side, but I need 6 new players" - they can't promise that's possible and also why would they just do that with Ten Hag, as he's likely saying the same thing.
I think we will had a relatively big summer based on the sheer number of players leaving on free transfers. Then the fact we'll likely sell Greenwood for good FFP money, possibly Sancho and a slim chance of Casemiro, it opens up a lot of opportunities. Now if we don't sell anyone, I agree it will be muted, but not a lot you can do about that.
I don't disagree, may be they couldn't promise any of the new guys that and hence decided to stick with ETH.
Anyway, like you say, it's important to have a decent enough window now. Hopefully, the money will be spent on players with a long term view to get this club back to the top. The era of short term signings or the players that the manager wants to benefits his agency are behind us now.
You've got to hope so. I do think Murtogh was out of his depth and completely handed the wheel over to Ten Hag. So I think there's an element of blame on all sides, but hopefully that's completely taken out his hands now, as it should be.
I don't want a system in which the manager has no say on transfers, but we definitely need to move away from giving the keys of the kingdom to every new manager. The players singed should have the manager's approval but first and foremost must align with the long term vision of the club. We can't afford to waste 500m on players demanded by a manager only to discard them when the next guy comes in.
Oh for sure, he needs to have input, but as you say it's it's about that aligning with the long term vision first and foremost.
The last bit isn't on ETH. The club structure allowed him to have too large a say on transfer targets, of which ETH seems to be a sub-par evaluator of talent anyway, and ETH didn't negotiate the fee's and salaries. That is just more of the same incompetence we've seen for years now from the club.
ETH should of course have some input on targets, but he shouldn't be the decider and he shouldn't have a veto.
I think at best all Erik ought to do is define the profile of player and the position nothing more nothing less.
He's lost all credibility in identifying talent and Ajax fans highlighted this beforehand so recruitment will likely have substantial and probably abnormal control over that process.
Welcome to the Caf mate
But great post.
Almost all media have spun this situation as "unbearable" and "Disrespecting Ten Hag for using time to review". Under pure Glazer ownership there would be a announcement in September.
Xavi not at all in consideration?
I've been saying consistently they've been dithering and making a lot of awful moves. Even their appointments look suspect keeping ETH on.
I think there is more chance of them waiting to see how McKenna performs in the PL.
Still offering 3m for Dan Ashworth but Newcastle are demanding 15m, time to walk away from this and look for other targets
Would you not agree that ETH has been grossly incompetent this season?
Whilst I disagree massively with their decision, I have absolutely no problem with the review process. It's the correct thing to do as far as I'm concerned. Let's see how we do this summer in the transfer window and then it won't be long until our structure is in place and we can get a clearer idea of whether this is going to be good for the club or not.
We should lower the initial fee but give them crazy addons. £500k for every goal he scores, £250k per assist and £10m when he reaches 100 international caps.
I mean worst case he works from home for a year and Newcastle get nothing after that. Every month that passes, we should keep decreasing the amount we offer. The gardening leave started Feb 19, so worst case by mid next summer he'll be an official United employee.
- Status