Club Ownership | INEOS responsible for the football side

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croadyman said:
Which RCB and holding midfielder?
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The RCB with high potential when it comes to physicality, athleticism and technical ability should be brought to the club imo. We're talking potential here, so if we can sign one of Diomande or Yoro then I believe we'll be on the right track. There's also other players in this particular role (RCB) who could also be bought because the RCB market is very strong with a number of very interesting players.

The holding midfield position likely also has alot of players to choose from but I do like Alan Varela who I believe would be a potentially good sign for us in that position. Amadou Onana who is a different profile of player to Varela would also be someone that would fit well with the current midfield dynamic.
 
croadyman said:
Yeah we should have had other DOF options too
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Blood Mage said:
Just go for Dougie Freedman instead. It's criminal that we won't have a sporting director in time for such a crucial transfer window.
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So we approach Ashworth who was settled in Newcastle, agreed to sign him, made him put his resignation, now that there is difference in fee, we have to tell feck you to Ashworth and look for other options?

Somehow this genius idea will work for us and wont make us look like pathetic cnuts.
 
Blood Mage said:
Just go for Dougie Freedman instead. It's criminal that we won't have a sporting director in time for such a crucial transfer window.
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Totally agree, Ashworth is linked to closely to Southgate, looks to have already made far too many silly mistakes with using his Newcastle Email account, and for what Wilcox has already proven his worth he started April club was getting less than 1 point per game, he managed to discuss Bruno False 9 theory to beat City with ETH who took it on board and won a trophy, we also played much better in last 3 games against Arsenal, Newcastle and Brighton and took 6 points from those games?

Wilcox and Dougie Freeman would be a fantastic team as they’ve both footballing execs who have played the game.
 
Woziak said:
Totally agree, Ashworth is linked to closely to Southgate, looks to have already made far too many silly mistakes with using his Newcastle Email account, and for what Wilcox has already proven his worth he started April club was getting less than 1 point per game, he managed to discuss Bruno False 9 theory to beat City with ETH who took it on board and won a trophy, we also played much better in last 3 games against Arsenal, Newcastle and Brighton and took 6 points from those games?

Wilcox and Dougie Freeman would be a fantastic team as they’ve both footballing execs who have played the game.
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We are in things deep with Newcastle now so there is no chance we switch to appointing Freedman
 
I wonder what our transfer budget is and if Ineos is chipping in. The range seems to be zero to unlimited, and we have so many issues to address in our squad. On top, we are poor at selling so lets see how we do now
 
It's only speculation but I do wonder if we are doing the 'buy British' thing again, similar to 2019-2020 with James, Maguire, AwB, and targeting Longstaff (i always shudder to think what would have happened had Newcastle relented and sold him and we probably wouldn't have had the money for Bruno that season).

I very much doubt we'll pay near 70 million for Branthwaite. That seems too much.
 
Devil_forever said:
Somethings never change eh? I wonder why we struggle to shift our players?
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If what is said about Barrada is true, that if a player does not perform in a 2-year timeframe, I'm convinced we can easily sell him, as he will still have 24 years, and the wages are not something that will be deemed astronomical in 2 years time. I would've not minded if he would've come to something about 100-120k, and then work his way up.
 
Woziak said:
…they will all want to win but all of the Ineos directors would be looking at a business that turns over £650m and loses £40m..
… I’m sure if more money was needed and recommended by Wilcox, Berada and Ashcroft then Sir Jim would invest but not [without] gaining more shares for doing so.
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Working cash, yes. I would like to see Sancho and Greenwood shifted early and the budget expanded.
 
Plant0x84 said:
What’s your point?
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I think people still live in day and age where £150k a week is hugely excessive for a decent player. I don’t think it’s that important though, say we give him £110k instead because we feel it’s more adequate, it is a £2m a year difference and we would be paying £60m+ to acquire him either way, so it’s just a fraction of overall cost of the transfer.

£8m a year for a potential starter at a big PL club seems just fine to me as well. I am not really hugely familiar with PL players compensation as they aren’t even public the way US sports make them but I would imagine clubs near the top have to be looking at £150m+ wage bills given their revenue and income. I’ve been able to look up Liverpool for instance and all their first team players (save for top guys) seem to be in the £6m to £8m a year range, like Mac Allister, Darwin, Matip, Gravenberch etc.
 
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roonster09 said:
So we approach Ashworth who was settled in Newcastle, agreed to sign him, made him put his resignation, now that there is difference in fee, we have to tell feck you to Ashworth and look for other options?

Somehow this genius idea will work for us and wont make us look like pathetic cnuts.
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It's like buying player, i guess. We approach the player to hand in resignation. But if the player's club putting in price that doesn't match our value, we can only set our price and the deadline to that club to decide. We just move on to the next one if it's still not accepted.
 
Isotope said:
It's like buying player, i guess. We approach the player to hand in resignation. But if the player's club putting in price that doesn't match our value, we can only set our price and the deadline to that club to decide. We just move on to the next one if it's still not accepted.
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It's not like player. Players wont be out under gardening leave. Now he has lost his position at Newcastle.
 
Sarni said:
I think people still live in day and age where £150k a week is hugely excessive for a decent player. I don’t think it’s that important though, say we give him £110k instead because we feel it’s more adequate, it is a £2m a year difference and we would be paying £60m+ to acquire him either way, so it’s just a fraction of overall cost of the transfer.

£8m a year for a potential starter at a big PL club seems just fine to me as well. I am not really hugely familiar with PL players compensation as they aren’t even public the way US sports make them but I would imagine clubs near the top have to be looking at £150m+ wage bills given their revenue and income. I’ve been able to look up Liverpool for instance and all their first team players (save for top guys) seem to be in the £6m to £8m a year range, like Mac Allister, Darwin, Matip, Gravenberch etc.
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So Antony's 200k/wk is only about 2.2m a year difference from 150k/wk, for a player that we paid 70m. It's just a fraction of transfer.
 
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roonster09 said:
It's not like player. Players wont be out under gardening leave. Now he has lost his position at Newcastle.
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He's still under contract with Newcastle. But it's true that i don't know if the contract says he's only hired for one position, or Newcastle can demote him.
 
roonster09 said:
Lost his position, not contract.
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edited my post.

SO then what to do if Newcastle doesn't meet our valuation? Just keep our DoF open like this until his contract expired?
We still need to set deadline with our price, to be able to move on if things doesn't work out.
 
Isotope said:
edited my post.

SO then what to do if Newcastle doesn't meet our valuation? Just keep it like this until his contract expired?
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Ashworth has taken them to arbitration. Now we do as the jury decides and rightly so, if any of the footballing world should take us seriously.

If we just tell Ashworth to feck off, then who in their right mind will even attempt to join us when we are jokers and can't stick to the agreement.
 
Isotope said:
So Antony's 200k/wk is only about 2.2m a year difference from 150k/wk, for a player that we paid 70m. It's just a fraction of transfer.
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Antony is probably a little overpaid at £10m a year then, should be closer to £7m to £8m for what was supposed to be a consistent first team player.
 
Isotope said:
edited my post.

SO then what to do if Newcastle doesn't meet our valuation? Just keep our DoF open like this until his contract expired?
We still need to set deadline with our price, to be able to move on if things doesn't work out.
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Ideally yes, but if the management think that waiting some more doesn't impact operations much, they can do that and get the guy
 
Sarni said:
I think people still live in day and age where £150k a week is hugely excessive for a decent player.
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I assumed that’s what he was getting at, but I think it’s relative to the market. Footballers wages are obscene sums generally, given the short length of career, being a money making marketable asset for the club and the real risk of career ending injury during work it’s understandable.
£150k is reasonable in this day and age and if it’s what it takes to get a player to sign then so be it. I’d rather have a squad of promising talent on £150k each than a handful of supposed superstars on 3-400k each. It’s the stupid inflated transfer fees I don’t like!!
 
Plant0x84 said:
I assumed that’s what he was getting at, but I think it’s relative to the market. Footballers wages are obscene sums generally, given the short length of career, being a money making marketable asset for the club and the real risk of career ending injury during work it’s understandable.
£150k is reasonable in this day and age and if it’s what it takes to get a player to sign then so be it. I’d rather have a squad of promising talent on £150k each than a handful of supposed superstars on 3-400k each. It’s the stupid inflated transfer fees I don’t like!!
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As I said in another thread, £7m to £8m a year seems standard for a good first team player / important squad player. Top half PL clubs seem to consistently rack up wage bills of £150m to £200m for their 25-man squads, meaning the average per player is going to be around that, with some of the top performers possibly getting £15m+ and some of the less important players and youngsters are going to be closer to £2m or so.

It's been 20 years since we started seeing £100k a week contracts being handed out in PL and I think many people still haven't moved on from that era. £150k a week now is basically what £30k a week used to be in early 2000s.
 
The renovation work will begin on Monday and is expected to last for the duration of the 2024/25 season. The initial focus will be on the gym, medical, nutrition, and recovery areas, with a design emphasis on creating more space for collaboration and innovation among players and staff.

Temporary adaptations will be made to the rest of the Carrington site to ensure players and staff from all our teams can continue to operate successfully next season.

Sir Jim Ratcliffe, co-owner of Manchester United, said: “We want to create a world class environment for our teams to win. When we conducted a thorough review of the Carrington training facilities and met with our men’s first team players, it was clear the standards had fallen below some of our peers. This project will ensure Manchester United’s training ground is once more renovated to the highest standards.
 
Does anyone know if this is the outcome of the move to the next training ground and they decided to stay put? remember they were looking at various sites.
 
They seem to be very measured and take their time to explore and attempt deals for multiple options before pulling the trigger on anything. Fair play.

(Don’t take too much time though please.)
 
Phil said:
They seem to be very measured and take their time to explore and attempt deals for multiple options before pulling the trigger on anything. Fair play.

(Don’t take too much time though please.)
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Yeah does feel they could posess that ability to handle multiple deals, however don't want to speak too soon as window has only just opened
 
roonster09 said:
If we just tell Ashworth to feck off, then who in their right mind will even attempt to join us when we are jokers and can't stick to the agreement.
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Argh, why can't DOF transfer work like a player transfer. We could have gotten Ashworth on a loan deal with obligation to buy 1 year later from Newcastle.
 
Will give them some credit they are making moves and determined to pay what they consider fair value for players but it's still early days
 
TrebleChamp99 said:
Does anyone know if this is the outcome of the move to the next training ground and they decided to stay put? remember they were looking at various sites.
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I think we are now staying at Carrington for the foreseeable future, no way we spend $50m on the place and abandon it in less than ten years. Didn't Leicester's much touted training complex cost something around £50m? If so then the improvements being done should be enough to make it a world class facility for the next five to ten years.
 
AneRu said:
I think we are now staying at Carrington for the foreseeable future, no way we spend $50m on the place and abandon it in less than ten years. Didn't Leicester's much touted training complex cost something around £50m? If so then the improvements being done should be enough to make it a world class facility for the next five to ten years.
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I believe the long-term goal is to either move away, or build new physical structures on the current site. In any event, it won't be 50M wasted as worst-case, the facility can be used for the woman's and youth team.

Anwyays, no point thinking about the future. This is a much needed change, and why I was excited for a person like Sir Dave to come in. He will assure that we have the best facilities.
 
idek2346 said:
I believe the long-term goal is to either move away, or build new physical structures on the current site. In any event, it won't be 50M wasted as worst-case, the facility can be used for the woman's and youth team.

Anwyays, no point thinking about the future. This is a much needed change, and why I was excited for a person like Sir Dave to come in. He will assure that we have the best facilities.
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I am just thinking that Lecester's training ground cost about the same money as we are investing in upgrading an already existing one, which is still of a high standard just not world class. So if we are putting 50m in it then it should be fairly long term.
 
It's bonkers that Ineos think that it was a great idea to

1. brief to the entire media you're reviewing the manager's position
2. speak to about 10 different potential replacements and make the whole process last about three weeks, humiliating your current manager in the process
3. after seemingly burning all bridges and making clear to the world you don't rate your manager, announce to the world that you want to keep him
4. make sure you wait until you've announced to the entire world that you want to keep your current manager BEFORE locking him down to a new contract
5. only at this point begin negotiating new contract with severely pissed off employee who holds nearly all the leverage since you've already told the world you're keeping him

They're clearly out of their depth when it comes to running a huge football club but I thought these guys were at least meant to be good at business?

Ten Hag is now happily taking shots at them in the media (saying their boy Southgate is shit, that agreeing a new contract will be difficult, that Ineos are 'new to football', they didn't go about the process the right way) - he's clearly emboldened and goading them openly and I wouldn't be astonished if we still end up with a different manager in August after he walks away from the whole mess.
 
Plant0x84 said:
Why do you say he doesn’t have much responsibility? In my opinion he has more than he should have given the lack of technical support from those above him up to now. I don’t understand your point here.

I agree with the bolded though, this should have been a priority to resolve in the summer, but the club wouldn’t get Kane and he pivoted to change the goalkeeper instead to be able to play out from the back and change our style of play.

When Ole insisted on playing McFred as a double pivot many bemoaned that as old fashioned, and complained we should play a single pivot to be more attacking. ETH is doing this, but the issue now is personnel - especially in the light of injuries and Casemiros form. It’s a matter of personal opinion whether you think he was right to train/play this way regardless or if you think he should have been more pragmatic and adapted his tactics to suit the players available. There is merit and drawback in both approaches, but the results speak for themselves.
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Sorry I think you’re mistaken, people weren’t moaning that we played a double pivot as opposed to a single pivot, they were arguing that the players picked weren’t suitable. Both McTominay and Fred are better players playing more forward. They aren’t suitable as DM or even deeper CM
 
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