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Who should value the lives more? Those related to them? Or murderers out for their very lives?I don't understand, not caring for palestinians is a worse crime than actually killing them?
Who should value the lives more? Those related to them? Or murderers out for their very lives?I don't understand, not caring for palestinians is a worse crime than actually killing them?
Using numbers from opposing sides to arrive at a conclusion that the civilian-combatant death ratio is favorable... It's laughable stuff, nothing to do with being uninformed.You are extremely uninformed on the subject I see.
This below is the rubbish you posted:.....
That's why I don't know what to think about the people making these arguments. The blood thirsty psychos are not hidden, their leaders are in the government and israeli media mention them fairly regularly though they call them far right activists instead of murdering terrorists which admittedly could be why some are confused.No the world began on Oct 7, you're mistaken.
Incidentally, on an abstract level, I agree.Is there any point nitpicking over the exact death toll and whether its a scientifically accurate measurement with empirical evidence?
It's "A whole shit tonne of people have been killed" vs "a even greater shittonne of people have been killed."
Is this "lesser" value supposed to make things okay somehow?
I don't remember even bringing up October 7th in my post. Hamas Rocket launching attacks from civilian areas knowing exactly what the eventual outcome will be is a tactic over 2 decades old.Before October they were actually killing them, so the point doesn't even make sense.
I don't care really. I would rather have a neighbor who wouldn't give a shit if I dropped dead than a neighbor who is actively trying to murder me.Who should value the lives more? Those related to them? Or murderers out for their very lives?
That's the issue you didn't bring up October 7th in your post. If you did and your point started from that moment then it would make some sense but you didn't and that's why it's absolutely senseless because for some reason you didn't spot that you are argumentation describes israelis and their actions against civilians in Gaza, the West Bank but also Syria and they happen to kill far more on a yearly basis.I don't remember even bringing up October 7th in my post. Hamas Rocket launching attacks from civilian areas knowing exactly what the eventual outcome will be is a tactic over 2 decades old.
Why are you arbitrarily using the 2000s as a starting point? Its just as an ingenuous as me starting the timer on October 8th and painting a picture of Israel carrying out an onslaught on Gaza without any provocation. Again, Hamas are a symptom of over half a century of Palestinian subjugation, not to mention were themselves propped up by Israeli hardliners as a means to prolong any prospect of peace coming to fruition.Perhaps in the past. But since 2000 Hamas has been a factor in chief and they utterly relish it. People should stop trying to paint them as victims.
I don't understand your point here. Are you seriously suggesting the Palestinians bear the brunt of cruelty? And no, the Arabs didn't start all those wars. Have a look into what actually happened in 1967 for starters.A history of inter ethnic hatred in the area since the UK abdicated its responsibility as admintrator of the region after world war two. Right now one side bears the brunt of the cruelty because it was on the losing side of 3 bitter wars fueled by that hatred.
The premise is clearly fecking bullshit anyway, there's a contradiction every time these arguments are put forward, Israel claims every male death as Hamas. If people want to use bullshit figures from Israel whilst then saying Hamas don't care it's effectively saying all male Palestinians don't care about their families. I suggest these people go watch the videos of mourning fathers crying over dismembered family members including babies.I don't understand, not caring for palestinians is a worse crime than actually killing them?
Thats "natural deaths"It's 45k if you count the missing people and that's just from the bombing and Israeli fire. It's likely quite a bit more than that when you count the people dying from diseases and epidemics. We still have no idea how many indirect deaths this genocide has caused and will continue to cause. In Yemen for example, most of the deaths were due to indirect causes from the war.
Because the more of the deaths that are combatants the better it looks for Israel and less combatants the worse it will look for Israel so obviously Hamas has an incentive for deaths to be labeled as civilian rather than combatant. Israel also obviously an incentive to label more deaths as combatant. I certainly don't trust Israel's claims that 15K or so are combatants but I don't trust Hamas claims either since both sides have an incentive to report differently. It's probably impossible to get an accurate number though on how many of those are combatants and how many are civilian.Why is it logical for them to inflate? Has 70 years of 1000s of Palestinian deaths changed Israeli or western policy? Frankly 100k children could be easily exterminated and not a single democracy on this planet will push for enforcing international law.
I assume then you are not.You are extremely uninformed on the subject I see.
Hamas' own reported numbers are too low and Israel's too high?Or Israel's numbers.
These disingenous and morally questionable posts pop up everytime Israel massively screws up or is under too much heat.Most of them popping in with their clever takes won't have even seen a minimal amount of the crimes Israel has commited.
There is no way you can watch these war crimes unfold and then claim it's Israel being baited. It's not just that though all the hateful rhetoric spoken by key Israeli figures is barely covered in most media.
Bore off. Just bore off.I assume then you are not.
Hamas' own reported numbers are too low and Israel's too high?
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I’ve had this thread on ignore as I’ve had 1 too many warning points. Just came to post free Palestine.
Isreal is pure evil.
No I’m away. What’s it aboutAnyone watching Dispatches on Channel 4?
Yeah it’s complete and utter BS which keeps happening. “An investigation” will follow - feck right off. The Biden administration can feck right off too.Killing innocent people is a "tragic mishap" ...
feck Netanyahu. feck Israel.
No, that is not what I meant.Hamas' own reported numbers are too low and Israel's too high?
When the 1st hospital attack happened, it led to weeks of discourse: "Palestinians can't shoot straight", death toll is actually much lower, accidentally hit fuel storage, etc. When they first raided a hospital, there was a lot of discourse: MRI machine armoury, tunnels underneath, etc. When they first mowed down people surrounding an aid truck, there was tons of dicsourse: Hamas did it, these were terrorists, etc.Tweet
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I am biased, I suppose. Against Hamas. You are right, of course, one shouldn't just accept these numbers. Hamas' or Israels. But, Hamas's numbers should by default be assumed wrong and too high. They literally want as many dead Palestinains as possible. Israels will, as with any such estimate, come with a margin of error. 13.000 +/- whatever, pick a number.No, that is not what I meant.
You quoted the numbers provided by Israel as if they were a fact, then suggested the Palestinian ones could be fake (“that’s if you believe Hamas’ numbers” or something similar). It sounded biased to me and that’s what I meant by my post.
Israel has no interest in inflating the number of killed Hamas operatives?I am biased, I suppose. Against Hamas. You are right, of course, one shouldn't just accept these numbers. Hamas' or Israels. But, Hamas's numbers should by default be assumed wrong and too high. They literally want as many dead Palestinains as possible. Israels will, as with any such estimate, come with a margin of error. 13.000 +/- whatever, pick a number.
They don't need to. No palestinian is innocent so the number of Hamas operatives killed equals the number of palestinians killed.Israel has no interest in inflating the number of killed Hamas operatives?
Sure they may have an interest in it. Don't equate to them doing so.Israel has no interest in inflating the number of killed Hamas operatives?