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They've not posted since?

If so I don't know why they didn't just admit they are a hypocite, eat some humble pie, have a laugh about someone taking the time to call them out as they did, and just move on. it's funny, but it's really not a big deal.
@Nou_Camp99 logged out 1 minute after @Adnan carried out a brutal verbal murder. It was a triple homicide. He’s not been seen since. :lol:
 
I was in support of SJR until details of his bid and the way he handled the negotiations came out. I thought we would be bought by a true fan who would go above and beyond but the SJ bid exposed the fact that he was just another business man. The fact that he failed to even mirror the concerns and hopes of majority of the fanbase and him even considering giving those leeches a way to stay associated with the club in any form at all shows how out of touch he is with the fanbase.

Hate the Qatar bid all you want, you have to admit they said the things the fans want to hear. Many fans want our club to stop being treated like a cash cow. For once they want to see owners who will actually make commitments towards the club and SJ's bid resonates with them.


I personally don't have any strong feelings towards either to be frank. I didn't start supporting man utd because of it's owners and I won't stop because of that.

Jim Radcliffe is a cnut. Ineos are bad. But small mercies, they know how to run a successful business. Worst case scenario, it doesn't work and they sell up. Absolutely no chance of the Qataris selling up if it all goes to shit. They will double down.
 
Is there a quote of camp nou supporting Saudi takeover on this forum?
I think it was on page 1600 of this thread. Normally I'm not a huge fan of going through someone's post histories to criticise them, but this was ridiculous :lol: the guy was full on begging for a Saudi takeover
Here you go. After all the BS throughout this thread, this is by far the greatest highlight.

https://www.redcafe.net/threads/gla...-tweet-sources.474085/page-1601#post-30660807

The best part was saying there will be posters who’ll need to delete their posts about City’s owners because they’ve changed their minds. The irony. :lol:
 
Hence no need for the Qataris full stop.
It is not a full stop, it is a huge question mark for me over your logic. Qatari ownership will remove the debt, the Glazers and bring significant investment in infrastructure. I do not think this means cooking books or making illegal payments.
 
There’s nothing in my post that generalised ‘all Mancs think this’, if you saw it that way it’s not my fault.

And no, Utd being freed to invest on a level playing field relative to its own income and having competitive owners will not make it the same as City.

A mighty lion with its shackles removed is not the same as a genetically modified mutant house cat pumped full of steroids.

Only oppo WUMs suggest otherwise.

It came across that way, even if you didn't mean it.

I agree for what it's worth, we can play the game without having to cheat. So why do we need Qatari state money?
 
I'm yet to hear an explanation as to why would Ratcliffe invest a dime in the club without having full ownership. He'd be basically making other people richer. Anything from clearing the debt to investing in the stadium would make the Glazers richer.
 
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I do not see Qataris doping us financially. There would be no need for them to do so. So, in my opinion we can not be compared to City as there is no need for Qataris to cook the books.
They were happy to bribe FIFA members, getting them to world cup, so I wouldn't put city type cheating past them.
 
It came across that way, even if you didn't mean it.

I agree for what it's worth, we can play the game without having to cheat. So why do we need Qatari state money?

We don’t need Qatari money per se. But we want the debt properly gone, Glazers properly gone and a lot of infrastructure investment.

Only one bidder is pledging all these - the other is pledging none of them.

If it was the other way ‘round, I’d want Ratcliffe, I assure you.
 
But I need a post from camp nou supporting Saudi ownership. And yes, if he comes back he will be rightfully called a proven hypocrite, so I do not think he will show up again.
I'm sure if they come back they will be fine after a few more jokes. If anyone was unable to let it go after that they would be dealt with by the mods I imagine.
 
I'm yet to hear an explanation as to why would Ratcliffe invest a dime in the club without having full ownership. He'd be basically making other people richer. Anything from clearing the debt to investing in the stadium would make the Glazers richer.
It’s probably the only way he could hope to beat Jassim. And maybe he’s not in it for the money, maybe he’s looking to leave a legacy - he’s getting on a bit.
 
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We don’t need Qatari money per se. But we want the debt properly gone, Glazers properly gone and a lot of infrastructure investment.

Only one bidder is pledging all these - the other is pledging none of them.

If it was the other way ‘round, I’d want Ratcliffe, I assure you.
That’s the point I was making a few pages back. Apparently pro Qatar fans want Mbappe and Neymar. It isn’t the case. We just want to be debt free, Glazer Free and infrastructure developments. Then continued spend of our own generated money on players.
 
It's never going to stop is it? Even when one of the two wins, the other camp will never let it drop. Are we doomed to have to sift through endless virtue signaling and political projection for another decade? Whoever the new owner is, I just hope they're competent, and only time will reveal that.
 
Jim Radcliffe is a cnut. Ineos are bad. But small mercies, they know how to run a successful business. Worst case scenario, it doesn't work and they sell up. Absolutely no chance of the Qataris selling up if it all goes to shit. They will double down.
You see, I don't buy that "they know how to run a business" argument. Peter Lim who owns Valencia knows how to run a business. The former owner of Newcastle also happened to be a successful business man. INEOS Being a successful oil company doesn't mean they will be as successful running a football club (we also happened to have evidence by how they run NICE in france). And again as I stated in my last post, many fans are tired of seeing the club Being run like a profit seeking business. Being run like a business is what put us where we are today.
 
I'm yet to hear an explanation as to why would Ratcliffe invest a dime in the club without having full ownership. He'd be basically making other people richer. Anything from clearing the debt to investing in the stadium would make the Glazers richer.

Excellent point. All Glazer and non-Glazer boats float if the valuation of the club grows, but Sir Jim can't be expected put in all the additional resources to lift those boats if he's only getting back 51% of the sea rise.
 
It is not a full stop, it is a huge question mark for me over your logic. Qatari ownership will remove the debt, the Glazers and bring significant investment in infrastructure. I do not think this means cooking books or making illegal payments.

How do you know how our finances will be structured? Debt is an inherit part of running a business even if you have liquidity.

You've heard nice stories from the Qataris but you have no idea what they will actually do
 
Where on Earth did I generalise everyone based on my family?

I gave a specific example of a limited group - my own family.

Where have I stated or even implied that my own family’s opinions are that of all / most match going fans?

Sorry, I read your post that said “all” and thought that “all” implied people of manchester. I realize now it was all of your family you meant and referred to. My fault, hands down.
 
We don’t need Qatari money per se. But we want the debt properly gone, Glazers properly gone and a lot of infrastructure investment.

Only one bidder is pledging all these - the other is pledging none of them.

If it was the other way ‘round, I’d want Ratcliffe, I assure you.
We don’t need large investment for the general running of the club and seasonal transfers/wages. However, we do need large investment for a stadium rebuild, training facilities, infrastructure etc. Our revenue alone would take far too long to cover that initial outlay required.
 
I'm yet to hear an explanation as to why would Ratcliffe invest a dime in the club without having full ownership. He'd be basically making other people richer. Anything from clearing the debt to investing in the stadium would make the Glazers richer.
Not necessarily. If he contributes capital, most likely what will happen is the other shareholders' ownership stakes will be proportionally diluted.
 
They were happy to bribe FIFA members, getting them to world cup, so I wouldn't put city type cheating past them.
No, it was not neither Jassim nor his father. Tony fecking Blair sanctioned killing thousands of people and sent a whole nation to a stone age. Shall I generalize and say that I would not put such cruelty past other British politicians? By the way, I am reporting your post. Neither SJ nor his father have been known to bribe UEFA. Your generalization is inappropriate to put it mildly.
 
You see, I don't buy that "they know how to run a business" argument. Peter Lim who owns Valencia knows how to run a business. The former owner of Newcastle also happened to be a successful business man. INEOS Being a successful oil company doesn't mean they will be as successful running a football club (we also happened to have evidence by how they run NICE in france). And again as I stated in my last post, many fans are tired of seeing the club Being run like a profit seeking business. Being run like a business is what put us where we are today.

At least we have evidence of them actually running anything. Being run like a business is how every club in the world bar PSG and City operate.
 
Genuine question, how would that work? If he puts in more money his share gets bigger?
Yeah, basically the club would issue new shares corresponding to the value he invested, so his % of the club's total shares would go up and other investors' would go down.
 
If you’d had scrolled down a couple posts, instead of instantly replying, you’d have seen them.

Here you go. After all the BS throughout this thread, this is by far the greatest highlight.

https://www.redcafe.net/threads/gla...-tweet-sources.474085/page-1601#post-30660807

The best part was saying there will be posters who’ll need to delete their posts about City’s owners because they’ve changed their minds. The irony. :lol:
I need to see the posts :lol:
 
At least we have evidence of them actually running anything. Being run like a business is how every club in the world bar PSG and City operate.
They haven't really run NICE well if we are to go by comments of their fans. The club basically stagnated under INEOS and they fans have been baffled by board level decisions.

And actually, you are wrong about big clubs and profits. Barca and Madrid are fan owned clubs who put every single penny back into the club. Bayern literally had zero debt with the 50+1 rule keeping both sides of fans and cooperate in check.
 
There’s a Qatar news outlet on Twitter with almost 300k subs claiming the deal is done..not sure how reliable but

Al Watan is the source

 
There’s a Qatar news outlet on Twitter with almost 300k subs claiming the deal is done..not sure how reliable but

Al Watan is the source


Marl Goldbridge has double the followers on Twitter and he doesn't know his arse from his elbow.
 
There’s a Qatar news outlet on Twitter with almost 300k subs claiming the deal is done..not sure how reliable but

Al Watan is the source

And the owner of Al watan qatar is no one less then: Hamad bin Jassim Al Thani
 
There’s a Qatar news outlet on Twitter with almost 300k subs claiming the deal is done..not sure how reliable but

Al Watan is the source


Interesting. Never heard of them - going to dig through their feed and see what claims they had previously made about the deal.
 
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