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To be fair to Frenkie, i really don't think he ever envisioned a situation where he'd be booted out after doing all he could to help the club when they really needed it.
He obviously thought that they valued him and wanted him for the long haul.
His agent and/or lawyer should still have been on the ball there. It's not like FDJ does his own paperwork, and when dealing with that sort of money you make sure to cover all the bases.
 
That might not be as negative as we need it to be.

I believe FDJ started off as a CB and moved to CDM later with Ajax.
And Gareth Bale started as LB and moved onwards to LW. Like feck is playing LB now.
 
That might not be as negative as we need it to be.

I believe FDJ started off as a CB and moved to CDM later with Ajax.

It’s very negative let’s be honest. Especially when they are signing Kounde.

De Jong is a CM. It’s a World Cup year. It can’t possibly be any more negative. They are clearly forcing him out.
 
To be fair to Frenkie, i really don't think he ever envisioned a situation where he'd be booted out after doing all he could to help the club when they really needed it.
He obviously thought that they valued him and wanted him for the long haul.
Of course, but he’s the player. It’s his agent/legal team etc who is hired and paid the money to think about the nasty things/when things go wrong. They kind of… didn’t?
 
It’s very negative let’s be honest. Especially when they are signing Kounde.

De Jong is a CM. It’s a World Cup year. It can’t possibly be any more negative. They are clearly forcing him out.
They're basically telling him that he's not got a future in his preferred position and Xavi likes him as a CB... except they're bring in another CB too. So not only will he have competition in CM but also CB too.
It's forcing him out without actually saying we're forcing you out. They're basically saying no matter where you play, you're second best and will be fighting it out as a rotation player
 
They're basically telling him that he's not got a future in his preferred position and Xavi likes him as a CB... except they're bring in another CB too. So not only will he have competition in CM but also CB too.
It's forcing him out without actually saying we're forcing you out. They're basically saying no matter where you play, you're second best and will be fighting it out as a rotation player

Yep exactly
 
It’s very negative let’s be honest. Especially when they are signing Kounde.

De Jong is a CM. It’s a World Cup year. It can’t possibly be any more negative. They are clearly forcing him out.
Yes of course it’s not a good sign for FDJ. But it comes down to how much desire he has to stay at Barca.

If he gets moved to CB but gets told he’ll start most games, he may be accepting of it.

Mascherano went there having solely played CDM for most of his career and ended up being Barca’s first choice CB.

It’s obviously not looking promising for FDJ but it all comes down to how much he’s willing to compromise from a footballing perspective.
 
His agent and/or lawyer should still have been on the ball there. It's not like FDJ does his own paperwork, and when dealing with that sort of money you make sure to cover all the bases.

Of course, but he’s the player. It’s his agent/legal team etc who is hired and paid the money to think about the nasty things/when things go wrong. They kind of… didn’t?

The agent/lawyer secured 4yrs deal that is worth 73m-88m euros, all the agent and De Jong need to do is sit tight, and wait for Barca to come the table and negotiate exit terms, they aren't in a weak position at all, but I get that the situation is toxic for De Jong.
 
This is so on more than ever. You can't be so in love with a club that is not only forcing you out, but wanting to play you out of position in WC year to make a point!

Sort this fecking deferred payment out and come over where you will be adored!
 
We should use this to our advantage and try to leak serious interest in someone else.

Obviously Barca are trying to get out of paying the wages he us owed so trying to force him out i assume accepting less.

But that only works if Barca can sell him for decent money and if the main party of this looks to move on it weakens their position.
 
Yes of course it’s not a good sign for FDJ. But it comes down to how much desire he has to stay at Barca.

If he gets moved to CB but gets told he’ll start most games, he may be accepting of it.

Mascherano went there having solely played CDM for most of his career and ended up being Barca’s first choice CB.

It’s obviously not looking promising for FDJ but it all comes down to how much he’s willing to compromise from a footballing perspective.

They are signing Kounde? He isn’t first choice. They also got Christensen and Garcia. He’s been on the bench twice in pre season. You move someone to a new position and plan to build around them then don’t play them and sign a new CB?

Super reaching here!
 
That might not be as negative as we need it to be.

I believe FDJ started off as a CB and moved to CDM later with Ajax.

but it's a direct contradiction to his comments that LVG plays him in his best position and Xavi doesn't.
 
except they're bring in another CB too. So not only will he have competition in CM but also CB too.
maybe it’s not that bad for him: if he doesn’t leave then registration of Kounde might become problematic - in which case he will actually sometimes play as a CB
 
They are signing Kounde? He isn’t first choice. They also got Christensen and Garcia. He’s been on the bench twice in pre season. You move someone to a new position and plan to build around them then don’t play them and sign a new CB?

Super reaching here!
Yeah it doesn’t look promising at all for him. It’s also a huge gamble Barca are taking by planning on FDJ leaving and then bringing in new players. Their highest paid player could be a guy who sits on the bench this season.
 
exactly. This has got to be driven home. FDJ's new contract says nothing about "owed wages ". There may be "loosely implied contract language". Foolishly, FDJ/his team never assumed Barca would look to sell to get out of those payments literally a year later.


Thats what i think a lot of people are missing in his, Barcelona legally owe FDJ nothing. There is no agreement over "deferred wages". He simply signed a new contract with the implied idea that big wages over the life of the contract was a "payback" of wages. There will be absolutely no wording in the contract that Barcelona owe him outstanding wages.

The key aspect has always been if De Jong stays he triggers 4 years of huge payments of 20 million each so the ball is back in Barca's court, do they miss out on a transfer fee of 70-80 million and start paying Frenkie 20 mill a year or agree to pay him what he was supposed to earn in the last two years. All De Jong has to do is say firmly I'm staying and Barca will have to pay him off most or all as it will be lesser than if he stays.

Yes it was stupid of him and his agent, especially as I remember speculation around his role and not quite being the player they thought. It can be used in such a underway to weasel out of paying but Barca are forced into action if he just stays and takes a firm stance.
 
Given buying and selling footballers is pretty fecking fundamental in the game, I can’t believe a clause wasn’t inserted into the new contract to resolve this exact issue should he be sold during the course of the contract.
I got shouted down for arguing this a month or so ago. His agent has terribly advised him.
 
FDJ does have the power here, it’s just that he might not be shameless enough to use it. Barca can make a fool of him but if FDJ decided to ignore that and keep picking up the cash Barca couldn’t do a thing about it. I do suspect that he will leave and take a lesser payoff but that would be because he decided to accept it, not because Barca had some sort of master stroke.
Almost wish I didn’t have a vested interest in this one because another part of me would find it absolutely hilarious if Barca couldn’t register their new players
Well it's a WC year, I don't see anyone risking their place in the WC to give a club that doesn't want them the middle finger.

FDJ simply can't afford to sit out or play CB with the WC on the horizon.
 
Yeah it doesn’t look promising at all for him. It’s also a huge gamble Barca are taking by planning on FDJ leaving and then bringing in new players. Their highest paid player could be a guy who sits on the bench this season.

I mean it’s a huge kick in the balls to De Jong.

He’s brought in as a CM for big money. Now he’s on the bench and preferred as a CB option.

The lad is 25 and it’s a World Cup year. He’s not a CB.

It’s a clear sign they want him out.
 
The key aspect has always been if De Jong stays he triggers 4 years of huge payments of 20 million each so the ball is back in Barca's court, do they miss out on a transfer fee of 70-80 million and start paying Frenkie 20 mill a year or agree to pay him what he was supposed to earn in the last two years. All De Jong has to do is say firmly I'm staying and Barca will have to pay him off most or all as it will be lesser than if he stays.

Yes it was stupid of him and his agent, especially as I remember speculation around his role and not quite being the player they thought. It can be used in such a underway to weasel out of paying but Barca are forced into action if he just stays and takes a firm stance.

and now Laporta is jumping on Xavi's comments to essentially say "we need to examine everything because you're a bench CB".
 
exactly. This has got to be driven home. FDJ's new contract says nothing about "owed wages ". There may be "loosely implied contract language". Foolishly, FDJ/his team never assumed Barca would look to sell to get out of those payments literally a year later.


Thats what i think a lot of people are missing in his, Barcelona legally owe FDJ nothing. There is no agreement over "deferred wages". He simply signed a new contract with the implied idea that big wages over the life of the contract was a "payback" of wages. There will be absolutely no wording in the contract that Barcelona owe him outstanding wages.
Where are you seeing that he’s legally owed nothing?

This article explains it in detail.
https://www.footballtransfers.com/e...barcelona-how-barcelona-owe-frenkie-jong-100m


At current, De Jong still has four years left on his contract with Barcelona and Marca have reported that across that remaining time Barcelona will owe him €88.58 million in fixed salary and loyalty bonus payments.

However, there are multiple other clauses in the deal that could be added. They include:

1. A variable payment of €8 million (€2 million per year) if he stays at the club and plays more than 60% of games in each of the four seasons left on his contract.

2. €12.8 million (€3.2 million per year) for title wins and progression to the finals of the UEFA Champions League.



De Jong's annual wage

Furthermore, De Jong has seen his annual wage decreased due to the impact COVID-19. The report from Marca reveals that de Jong received €12.32 million in fixed salary instead of €14 million due to the club enforcing a 12% paycut on all first-team players.


Barcelona then negotiated a new deal for De Jong to keep him until 2026, with De Jong earning just €3m fixed salary in 2020/21 and €9m in 2021/22, giving up as much as €16m in total. That amount is due to be paid across the four years left on his contract.
 
talking of CBs, I've laughed at some stories in my time but this Sun spectacular takes the award:

"Harry Maguire has snubbed a move to Barcelona despite rumours claiming that a swap deal for him and Frenkie de Jong is being considered"
 
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