Television Game of Thrones (TV) • The watch has ended

kouroux said:
I think they are setting her up to die and be easily accepted by the fans, it's easier to kill her if she is seen as pure evil
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Definitely.

Two things I do like about this episode was Jamie/Cersei. First of all Cersei's acting was great and in the end despite the fact she's always been quite formidable the vulnerability when she realized that her actions ultimately cost her her child's life were spot on. She is a monster to a degree, but she also has a human side and that was shown. Also her dying under a sea of rubble is more GoT than GoT has been for a while, there was no showdown, no real punishment, she just died, scared and defeated, as people usually are before they die.

Also Jamie, he is a man who has the ability to care about the greater good, but in the end, it's always been about him and Cersei. I didn't mind him going back into her arms, because I felt like any man who is willing to throw a child out of a window for a woman won't ever truly stop loving her no matter what.

So yeah, it wasn't all shit or anything.

Also shout out to Qyburn, he really was the best hand in the series. Never betrayed Cersei, found ways to mastermind victories. I liked how brutally he copped it, such a brutal ending for such a smart character, once again... very GoT.
 
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Redplane said:
And how many of those outcomes do you think people would ve taken issue with? Cersei s end had no satisfying ending. In some ways the way out that no one wanted was arguably the best way for her to go imho.
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Arya acting all badass only to give up at the last moment was very lame to me. Yeah she didn't wanna die but Cersei was close, this is what she's been preparing most of her life for.
Just like Jon Snow preparing to fight the Night King, the writers have really fecked up what could have 2 huge moments in this show.
 
Rado_N said:
Seems pretty obvious at this juncture that

Jon's gonna kill her.
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The obvious answer is Arya, followed by Jon. But she just killed Jaime and Cersei and Tyrion will want some retribution and could become the QueenSlayer... the big question is how they'll deal with Drogon because right now with Drogon she's untouchable. The scene with Jon patting Drogon last season might provide us with that answer, he might not want to burn Jon if Daenerys issues the command. Greyworm spotted Jon trying to stop his soldiers attacking during the siege though so I imagine Daenerys might act first.
 
RedSky said:
The obvious answer is Arya, followed by Jon. But she just killed Jaime and Cersei and Tyrion will want some retribution and could become the QueenSlayer... the big question is how they'll deal with Drogon because right now with Drogon she's untouchable. The scene with Jon patting Drogon last season might provide us with that answer, he might not want to burn Jon if Daenerys issues the command. Greyworm spotted Jon trying to stop his soldiers attacking during the siege though so I imagine Daenerys might act first.
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Yeah I don't see a battle happening. Arya will prob do it with Jon walking in on it and ultimately taking the blame. Leaving Gendry, or the horse, the last legitimate heirs. Then we'll get some bullshit semi-political rant and end up with Bran doing something shit and deciding who should be king.
 
kouroux said:
The melted throne.
I agree with the general sentiment that her killing all those innocent was OTT but the writers wanted to display the great destruction of King's Landing
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It would have made infinitely more sense for her to go after the Red Keep to kill Cersei after destroying the walls etc and not give a crap about those caught up in the flames but going all out murderer of innocents was just stupid.
 
kouroux said:
Arya acting all badass only to give up at the last moment was very lame to me. Yeah she didn't wanna die but Cersei was close, this is what she's been preparing most of her life for.
Just like Jon Snow preparing to fight the Night King, the writers have really fecked up what could have 2 huge moments in this show.
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A lot of the show and this season falls back on foreshadowing etc and also precedent. They said this one would rely heavy on S1 - in that regard the Hound telling her to run was great bc it was akin to Syrio telling her to do the same.
 
RedSky said:
The obvious answer is Arya, followed by Jon. But she just killed Jaime and Cersei and Tyrion will want some retribution and could become the QueenSlayer... the big question is how they'll deal with Drogon because right now with Drogon she's untouchable. The scene with Jon patting Drogon last season might provide us with that answer, he might not want to burn Jon if Daenerys issues the command. Greyworm spotted Jon trying to stop his soldiers attacking during the siege though so I imagine Daenerys might act first.
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I think since Arya killed the NK she is out of the equation to kill Dany. It would be overkill. Can't really imagine anyone other than Jon or Tyrion. Jon finally has to do something useful for once.
 
If there isn’t a jousting tourney to celebrate the new Queen next episode, I will be bitterly disappointed
 
Shamana said:
I think since Arya killed the NK she is out of the equation to kill Dany. It would be overkill. Can't really imagine anyone other than Jon or Tyrion. Jon finally has to do something useful for once.
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If he doesn't, I mean the guy would have robbed of pretty big moments this season :lol:
 
RedSky said:
The obvious answer is Arya, followed by Jon. But she just killed Jaime and Cersei and Tyrion will want some retribution and could become the QueenSlayer... the big question is how they'll deal with Drogon because right now with Drogon she's untouchable. The scene with Jon patting Drogon last season might provide us with that answer, he might not want to burn Jon if Daenerys issues the command. Greyworm spotted Jon trying to stop his soldiers attacking during the siege though so I imagine Daenerys might act first.
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Pretty sure Tyrion is getting cooked for freeing Jamie.

GhastlyHun said:
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:lol:
 
Rado_N said:
It would have made infinitely more sense for her to go after the Red Keep to kill Cersei after destroying the walls etc and not give a crap about those caught up in the flames but going all out murderer of innocents was just stupid.
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Definitely. I would have liked it more if the destruction of the city thanks to wildfire stored all around it, was ordered by Cersei after realizing her defeat and the red keep being completely destroyed.
 
Redplane said:
A lot of the show and this season falls back on foreshadowing etc and also precedent. They said this one would rely heavy on S1 - in that regard the Hound telling her to run was great bc it was akin to Syrio telling her to do the same.
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Nah, sorry not buying it. Cersei is number 2 on her list and with Joffers long dead she's been the number 1 focus. She's trained all this time to kill the people on her list and ultimately it was a load of shit because when she finally got in the position to do it, she bottles it and runs away. That's her character arc? Feels, a bit Tottenham.
 
Eboue said:
The whole Jamie Lannister thing doesnt make sense. If he didnt end up killing Cersei then why do they call him the kinslayer?
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Is he called the kinslayer by anyone? Or are you mistaking him for kingslayer? He called a cousin to escape his imprisonment by Robb so he is technically a kinslayers as well. He also fecks his sister.
 
Shamana said:
Is he called the kinslayer by anyone? Or are you mistaking him for kingslayer? He called a cousin to escape his imprisonment by Robb so he is technically a kinslayers as well. He also fecks his sister.
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That's a good point, I hadn't thought about the cousin. But people called him kinslayer even before that
 
RedSky said:
Nah, sorry not buying it. Cersei is number 2 on her list and with Joffers long dead she's been the number 1 focus. She's trained all this time to kill the people on her list and ultimately it was a load of shit because when she finally got in the position to do it, she bottles it and runs away. That's her character arc? Feels, a bit Tottenham.
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Nah, bc Spurs are gonna beat Pool in the CL final.
 
Shamana said:
I think since Arya killed the NK she is out of the equation to kill Dany. It would be overkill. Can't really imagine anyone other than Jon or Tyrion. Jon finally has to do something useful for once.
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Jon has been a sissy around both Ygritte and Dany, he wouldn't be able to kill her even if he tried.
 
I just remembered Poundland Jack Sparrow and his "I'm the man who killed Jamie Lannister" dying words :lol:

feck me he was the absolute worst
 
Eboue said:
That's a good point, I hadn't thought about the cousin. But people called him kinslayer even before that
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I honestly think you are misremembering something. He's famous throughout the 7 kingdoms as the kingslayer. I don't think there much of a thing about calling him kinslayer as well.
 
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