Tahith Chong

I do think with young players especially in the EPL, people overthink their development path or in some cases ignore it completely, waiting for the right moment for them to come in and play like a first team adult player.

Leads to alot of wasting of talent and a waste of the early part of a young players career. Imagine Messi or Maradona not being allowed to play first team football until 19 or 20.

I'd rather take a punt on a young kid like Gomes/Chong when they're younger even if they are a little frail and challenge them to handle it. Challenge them early on and you might get yourself a potential worldie at a young age and if they can't hack it, so be it.. but holding them back by virtue of their age and the fact they're a little weak at this stage until they're 20 etc.. for me that is no guarantee for success either.

There is no perfect age to throw a player in, sometimes you have to let them just swim or sink and gamble. Some will have the attitude to thrive in the grown up game, love the physical challenge despite the odds being against them and others won't.
 
I'm not saying don't take a chance and throw him on for a few minutes to see how he does. What I am saying, is as fans we can't expect the world of the kid. Don't expect him to do what's he's doing for our youth team in the first team. They're very unrealistic expectations.
 
Nick7 said:
I'm not saying don't take a chance and throw him on for a few minutes to see how he does. What I am saying, is as fans we can't expect the world of the kid. Don't expect him to do what's he's doing for our youth team in the first team. They're very unrealistic expectations.
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Definitely, i think part of the issue is that players are chucked in and then if they play well thats it they're in the seniors and judged as such.

I'd prefer us to give them minutes as a reward but then let them go back into the academy for thier development.
 
It would be nice if they increased the number of subs allowed on the bench.

We could put 1 or 2 youngsters on the bench and bring them on in games that are dead or even the Macheda/Rashford effect.
 
JJ12 said:
It would be nice if they increased the number of subs allowed on the bench.

We could put 1 or 2 youngsters on the bench and bring them on in games that are dead or even the Macheda/Rashford effect.
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this was the reason the subs bench was increased to seven in 2008.
 
Smores said:
Definitely, i think part of the issue is that players are chucked in and then if they play well thats it they're in the seniors and judged as such.

I'd prefer us to give them minutes as a reward but then let them go back into the academy for thier development.
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It’s not a ‘reward’ if they actually contribute though. We didn’t have the luxury to send Januzaj or Rashford back to the reserves when they debuted. We would have just been spiting ourselves. If Chong got some minutes when it matters, and took the chance, he’d be here to stay.
 
Knowing if Chong is as good as or better than Mata in current form as an attacking player for United would seem valuable information for building a better squad. Chong can't sub for Martial at RW at 70' if he's not on the bench.
 
Is he and Gomes playing in U23 match against Chelsea?
 
Mourinho was asked whether he could promote Chong or playmaker Gomes to the United first-team squad next season, having already clarified he will not make any attacking reinforcements in the summer transfer window.

"It depends what you understand by promotion," Mourinho said. "If, for you, promotion is that they train regularly with us, they are promoted a long time [ago].
https://www.manchestereveningnews.c...sfield-14300604.amp?__twitter_impression=true
 
Adnan said:
Mourinho was asked whether he could promote Chong or playmaker Gomes to the United first-team squad next season, having already clarified he will not make any attacking reinforcements in the summer transfer window.

"It depends what you understand by promotion," Mourinho said. "If, for you, promotion is that they train regularly with us, they are promoted a long time [ago].
https://www.manchestereveningnews.c...sfield-14300604.amp?__twitter_impression=true
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That's the long way of saying no.
 
Adnan said:
Mourinho was asked whether he could promote Chong or playmaker Gomes to the United first-team squad next season, having already clarified he will not make any attacking reinforcements in the summer transfer window.

"It depends what you understand by promotion," Mourinho said. "If, for you, promotion is that they train regularly with us, they are promoted a long time [ago].
https://www.manchestereveningnews.c...sfield-14300604.amp?__twitter_impression=true
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I don't fault him for this actually. Think if we get the right additions next season and challenge then we can integrate them from a position of strength, instead of where we are now.
 
He'd have been playing for first team right now if he didn't got that injury last season. Probably our best talent since Morrison/Pogba.
 
Also he's still very young and training regularly with our first team so that's great! I imagine he'll go to our pre-season tour next season due to the fact that it's a world cup year, so he'll get chances to impress.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
He looks good alright but let’s not get carried away. James Wilson looked similarly fantastic at about the same point in his career.
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Well he and Januzaj both did. Both of them didn't have the mentality(Hence the very public bollocking of both of them by Joyce).
Joyce, who takes his Wigan side to Old Trafford in the FA Cup on Sunday, said: “The frustrating thing is seeing ones like Januzaj, Wilson or Federico Macheda get up to that level and stop doing the work they did to get them to that level.

“Not play the games, not train as hard, sit in jacuzzis and not do the same weights and sessions they did to get there. Those are the frustrating ones for me, because that could be avoided.
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I've less doubts about Chong considering he came back from a very bad injury and has looked better than before.
 
KM said:
Well he and Januzaj both did. Both of them didn't have the mentality(Hence the very public bollocking of both of them by Joyce).


I've less doubts about Chong considering he came back from a very bad injury and has looked better than before.
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But then Wilson also routinely came back from injuries looking better than ever. At Chong's age Adnan was also roundly praised for his attitude and mentality. Our staff even praised him because of his hair.
 
limerickcitykid said:
But then Wilson also routinely came back from injuries looking better than ever. At Chong's age Adnan was also roundly praised for his attitude and mentality. Our staff even praised him because of his hair.
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Quotes about that?
 
Raees said:
I do think with young players especially in the EPL, people overthink their development path or in some cases ignore it completely, waiting for the right moment for them to come in and play like a first team adult player.

Leads to alot of wasting of talent and a waste of the early part of a young players career. Imagine Messi or Maradona not being allowed to play first team football until 19 or 20.

I'd rather take a punt on a young kid like Gomes/Chong when they're younger even if they are a little frail and challenge them to handle it. Challenge them early on and you might get yourself a potential worldie at a young age and if they can't hack it, so be it.. but holding them back by virtue of their age and the fact they're a little weak at this stage until they're 20 etc.. for me that is no guarantee for success either.

There is no perfect age to throw a player in, sometimes you have to let them just swim or sink and gamble. Some will have the attitude to thrive in the grown up game, love the physical challenge despite the odds being against them and others won't.
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You are talking about the two greatest talents to play the game, there are plenty more Walcott's, Rodwell's and Vaughns.

Fergie always used to use youth but not throw them in deep so they'd have their confidence destroyed.

I would add the modern game is less physically damaging now than previously. I'd be happy for Chong/Gomes to start coming on last twenty/thirty of won games etc. See how they cope, see if they need a loan etc.
 
limerickcitykid said:
But then Wilson also routinely came back from injuries looking better than ever. At Chong's age Adnan was also roundly praised for his attitude and mentality. Our staff even praised him because of his hair.
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Wilson until last year didn't had any major injuries such as Chong. He had niggles etc ofcourse but not something that serious in his teen years(unless I'm completely forgetting something)
 
In a couple years time everyone will forget about him, and will be opening threads about the next big thing, while Chong will be plying his trade in some shady league in Malaysia or Vietnam.
 
mike bird said:
In a couple years time everyone will forget about him, and will be opening threads about the next big thing, while Chong will be plying his trade in some shady league in Malaysia or Vietnam.
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Alright Mike.
 
mike bird said:
In a couple years time everyone will forget about him, and will be opening threads about the next big thing, while Chong will be plying his trade in some shady league in Malaysia or Vietnam.
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That's a shame, I really had high hopes for him. Oh well.
 
mike bird said:
In a couple years time everyone will forget about him, and will be opening threads about the next big thing, while Chong will be plying his trade in some shady league in Malaysia or Vietnam.
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Until United are linked with Chong and keen on bringing Chong back to United for £89m.
 
Looks like he was unlucky not to get a penalty going off that highlight video, he does seem to have a rather unique ability to keep the ball under close control and also recover from heavy touches by using his telescopic legs to nick it in front of the opposition, would be a nightmare to try and tackle.
 
mike bird said:
In a couple years time everyone will forget about him, and will be opening threads about the next big thing, while Chong will be plying his trade in some shady league in Malaysia or Vietnam.
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That's a very harsh statement, he's clearly one of the top talents in the academy at the moment. Even if he doesn't make it at United which I highly doubt, and that's a very strong highly, it wouldn't be down to talent, but opportunities in the first team, need I say, we have a lot of top quality players occupying the positions where he can play within the first team. He will have a more than average career in the game for sure.
 
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RedSky said:
Did he come on as a sub? Not a very long video.

He's got great acceleration and brilliant upper body strength for his age. He should focus on the right wing, he's exactly what we need.
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Played the full 90 that game
 
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