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Cristiano Ronaldo
very funnyCristiano Ronaldo
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/sir-alex-ferguson-cristiano-ronaldo-5595455very funny
He is miles ahead of Ronaldo. Ronaldo is a product of marketing and the English hype machine. He literally is anonymous when he doesn't score. You won't know he is on the pitch. When Messi doesn't score he is still the best player on the pitch. It's like comparing Cruijff to Gerd Muller.Yes. He's not miles ahead of the next best, Ronaldo, who has shown what is achievable and I expect to see someone better than Messi in my lifetime. It's not like cricket where I don't think I'll ever see someone get near Bradman, given he is so far ahead it's almost beyond belief.
Yes, that marketing and English hype machine produced 53 goals and 15 assists in 52 appearances this season. What a ludicrous thing to say.He is miles ahead of Ronaldo. Ronaldo is a product of marketing and the English hype machine. He literally is anonymous when he doesn't score. You won't know he is on the pitch. When Messi doesn't score he is still the best player on the pitch. It's like comparing Cruijff to Gerd Muller.
If Fergie would have coached Messi, it would be the same, even if Ronaldo was actually better.
And those 53 goals none against PSG, ATletico and Manchester City. One against the top 3 sides in la Liga. In those games he did absolutely nothing. When the team doesn't create for him he rarely can use inidviudal ability to decide games. 3rd Champions League final in a row he has done nothing, 3.5 if you count how awful he was in the 08 final after HT. Again, give me a game where Ronaldo was the best footballer on the pitch without being on the scoresheet? Would you call RvN a great footballer? What is CR doing at the moment that RVN wasn't doing in his prime? He is a goal scorer and Suarez outscored him this season despite not being the primary penalty kick taker and scored more against tougher opposition.Yes, that marketing and English hype machine produced 53 goals and 15 assists in 52 appearances this season. What a ludicrous thing to say.
And Messi is not man of the match in every game plays, far from it.
That player has to produce numbers and win trophies and his qualities be sustained for at least 7 years.one day a player with CR7s physique, CR7s relelentless drive to be a G.O.A.T., Ronaldinho's flare and Messi like consistency will emerge.
Zidane isn't even the best footballer of his generation
Where's the white text?He is, as of the last CL final, his achievements as a manager should be considered when evaluating him as a player, imo.
Ronaldo is.He is, as of the last CL final, his achievements as a manager should be considered when evaluating him as a player, imo.
To be fair, Müller doesn't get the recognition he deserves. Even though there is no argument here about who was the better player out of the two.It's like comparing Cruijff to Gerd Muller.
100% Agreed. When I was growing up people just called him an 'ugly' footballer (reference to his playing style). He is the greatest goalscorer of all time for me and he scored when his team needed him. People call him a poacher but they have never watched him. Bayern didn't have WC wingers so Muller had to literally create space for himself with his runs. Incredible. In a lot of games he dropped deep into mf to defend and when he played for Bayern he wasn't an in the box strker and used combination play to get 1 vs 1 with the GK. If Gerd played for Barcelona today he would get 70+ goals.To be fair, Müller doesn't get the recognition he deserves. Even though there is no argument here about who was the better player out of the two.
How many CL does Ronaldo have? Exactly.Ronaldo is.
And what a strange argument about his managerial career. Was Ancelotti a better player than P. Falcao? If you count his managerial honors, it seems like it. Was Trappatoni better than F. Baresi? Again, yes, if you count his numerous titles as a manager. Or does this argument only work with Zidane?
Zidane will be remembered more fondly due to managerial exploits. There is no objective 'best' player in modern football. (In post-modern football it's C. Ronaldo)Where's the white text?
you are being very assumptive aren't you?Suárez possibly edges it given Messi's injury (it's close), but there's no doubt who the better player is.
It's fecking infuriating how much people focus on stats. Suárez can't touch Messi, even if he scored a lot more.
Ehm, he has none but Zidane has only one - I don't see it as a big margin. Seedorf has five, does it mean that he is far greater than both? Anderson has as many CL's as Zidane.How many CL does Ronaldo have? Exactly.
I think it only works with Zidane due to generation thing.
Wait, you were serious? Wow.Zidane will be remembered more fondly due to managerial exploits. There is no objective 'best' player in modern football. (In post-modern football it's C. Ronaldo)
Not really presumptuous, just wasn't very clear - the second part of the post wasn't (necessarily) a dig at you. In any case, your description sounds more like Messi than Suárez, who can be fairly selfish at times.you are being very assumptive aren't you?
Suarez is a player who plays for the team first and foremost and, has that knack of making players around him perform better.....I wasn't even aware he had better numbers than Messi this year but in terms of this season you could certainly argue Suarez performed better
No. It is probably more like 75 percent prefer Messi and others Ronaldo but the debate is still a valid one. Besides, things might be different when Messi is Ronaldos age. They both still have a good few years left in their career.The debate between Messi and Ronaldo only crops up when Messi isn't at his best. When he is, it is only the media trying to sell papers as you can clearly see that the vast majority of people in football consider Messi in a league on his own. I am not saying that he is or he is not, just that the debate is not as close as you make it sound.
Well 75% to 25% is what I'd call one sided or ... not much of a debate. Pele and Maradona or Maradona and Messi will give you much closer numbers, now that is a debate. Any year Messi has performed to his best, it's been quite clear cut.No. It is probably more like 75 percent prefer Messi and others Ronaldo but the debate is still a valid one. Besides, things might be different when Messi is Ronaldos age. They both still have a good few years left in their career.
Cristiano Ronaldo
This argument has never made sense and never will. If one can objectively state that Messi is better than almost every other footballer who has ever lived -- and I know of no one who denies this -- it's clearly possible to argue that Messi is greater than the greatest footballer of all time. Or not the greatest footballer of all time, if you're of the belief that it's Pele or Maradona instead, or someone else.I never get why people say someone is the greatest ever ... You simply can't say that .. You can only be the greatest of your time and Messi is the greatest of his time ... Like Pele and Maradona before him were the greatest of their time ..However the same way he came after them someone else will come along and be the best player in the world and some more foolish people will say they are the greatest ever too.
Nobody can. Some may think they can, but only because they don't really understand what objectively means. One of things impossible to simulate and establish but absolutely crucial for any objective analysis is the right simulation, replication of conditions that otherwise can be interpreted as "control". The only way to prove a hypothesis, and Messi is greatest of all time is essentially a hypothesis, is an experiment and any scientific aka "objective" experiment must have control. Since football itself was different (rules, balls etc), life was different, medicine was different such control is just impossible to devise. To many data with no clear structure to place it.If one can objectively state that Messi is better than almost every other footballer who has ever lived