A Swede knocking England for its weather is interesting
Ibrahimovic doesn't tempt me either so the feeling is mutual
Ibrahimovic doesn't tempt me either so the feeling is mutual
Zlatan Ibrahimovic
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Seems like you are taking it personally, not that I want him one bit either.
my flatmate insists that England is much colder than Sweden...i told him that its not true as i have experienced both, he's from Birmingham, so he goes ''yeah you live in Manchester, you should see Birmingham during winter''
Actually I take back what I said about Eto'o scoring in a semi-final against Benfica.
It was actually a quarter-final.
It was actually a quarter-final.
You are saying he would definitely not have made a difference to Barcelona in the semi-final. I'm saying he might have.
How the feck do you know what he would not have done in the semi final? You have no way of knowing that he would definitely not have made a difference. Of course he could have made a difference. He might not, but he might have.
So, that is stupid on your behalf.
I've noticed this when you''ve been in debates previously. If someone pulls you up on something you said and disproves it, it becomes bullshit and stupid. You don't like facts proving you wrong, do you?
You are the one who first brought up previous matches actually. You. Not me. You brought them up. For example....
That was the first mention of previous matches.
So if we are only having a debate about this years match, why did you bring up previous matches to try and prove your point? And then when I use previous matches to prove my point, you cry like a little girl claiming it was only this year's match that we were talking about.
If you didn't want previous matches brought up, then you shouldn't have mentioned previous matches.
Again, it's the same thing over and over again.
You claim Eto'o would definitely not have made a difference because he didn't score in previous semi-finals against dogged opponents. (even though we're not supposed to mention previous matches, even though you are the one who brought them up
)Yet - he has scored against the same dogged opponents in other rounds
Yet - he has scored in other semi-finals.
So, since he can score against such dogged opponents, and since he has scored in semi-finals, the only conclusion one could come to is that he just can't score in semi-finals against dogged opponents. Otherwise, you're argument makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.
Now, you may claim that Eto'o probably would not have scored against Inter this year for Barcelona, but there is no way you can know for sure. There is no way somebody can categorically deny that one of the best strikers in the world will definitely not score in a given two legged tie. It's absolutely retarded. Of course he could score.
Therefor
Instead you want to bathe me in all this irrelevant shit about how he scored in a final, how he scored Benfica, us, how you now wrongly imagine that I'm saying it is only in semifinals Eto'o can't score against defensiveness food teams...
It's only irrelevant because it disproves your retarded theory.
The debate is about one particular match & those similar to it? So what are similar matches? Are they only semi finals? Are they only defensive minded teams? What are similar matches?
You're probably going to go on to claim that's it's both, which again brings us up to the completely retarded idea above.
I've seen what he has done in a Barca shirt against opposition that played just like Inter did in past semi finals. In a stronger side than this year's Barca side. Only a person burying their head in the sand can claim he could easily have made a difference this time around. For nothing save for pure wishful thinking supports such a claim. To claim we have no way of knowing is the silliest argument you could ever dream up to back up wishful thinking.
Is that so? What fact have you proved wrong? Other than things you manufactured yourself and have tried to claim it was me who thought them up?
Yes. I brought up matches that were identical to this year's semi final, hence relevant to the debate! I didn't just merely choose random games that only suited my argument. You however want to include all the games Eto'o has ever played in the argument. Whether they are relevant or not. For some reason you can not see how obviously ridiculous that is. Especially when you are claiming Eto'o could easily have made the difference in that one match, and over those 2 legs.
It's not every previous match that meets that criteria.
Is it so hard to grasp? Were you not aware that Eto'o played 2 semi's identical to this one Barca shirt, doing feck all both times, when you were making your claim that he could ''easily have made the difference in this semi?
Because all I've been doing is asking you to give a valid basis for your claim. A thing you have failed to. All you have done is convince yourself that because Eto'o was a star for Barca he would simply have worked on that night, plus previously in the first leg and got them through.
Previous matches don't prove your point in any shape or form! All you keep doing is trying to bring up all the game Eto'o ever played for Barca as 'proof'. With out a care as to whether they are relevant or not. That is why you keep coming up with limp arguments like because Eto'o scored in 2 finals this semi would have been no problem for him. Reality doesn't work that way. EVER!You just don't get it do you? I'm not merely bringing up previous matches. I brought up matches that were both identical to this semi final in importance and more importantly how they were played.
You on the other hand are bring up every previous match regardless of the context it was in or how it was played. If I was doing it your way I'd have brought up Guardiola's first game in charge as proof of my arguments or something that random. But I'd be going terribly off topic like you keep doing.
It's pretty obvious I don't have a problem with previous matches being discussed. Rather I have a problem with you or I bringing up matches that are not relevant to this debate.
You claim Eto'o would definitely not have made a difference because he didn't score in previous semi-finals against dogged opponents. (even though we're not supposed to mention previous matches, even though you are the one who brought them up
I've never said any where previous matches shouldn't be mentioned. You seem to be having trouble with the word previous and irrelevant. If you want to bring up a previous match make sure it's relevant!
To elaborate further:
1. You can't bring up finals in which he performed, yet the opponents were not packing the bus like Inter did. For your claim is based on him making a difference against a side doing what Inter did at the Nou Camp and the first leg.
2. You can't bring up a league match when you are talking about a semi. League football isn't cup football.
3. You cant also bring up any matches in which the opponents never defended the way Inter did at the Nou Camp either. Because such games would lack the same conditions as this year's semi.
4. Lastly you better of not bringing up matches from previous rounds. Most especially group stages. For matches from these lower rounds in that competition do not carry the same importance, the same pressure nor have the same level of seriousness applied to them.
Eto'o's reputation has ensured that whenever he has faced opponents as dogged as Inter was in the later rounds, he has been thoroughly shackled. More so than any of his team mates. So what if he has scored in other semi's? To make a difference in this particular semi final he would have had to do what he had never done before. Which is score in that very round against a team playing the way Inter did.
Eto'o has NEVER scored an opponent that played like Inter did at the Nou Camp, in the later rounds of the champions league. Claiming he has is just open fibbing.
On the contrary. I have every reason to be sure Eto'o would have made no impact on this semi in any shape of form. Be it general play or goals. For He had 2 chances to to do the same while at Barca and didn't deliver. You just don't want to accept the fact Eto'o was ever in a situation in which he couldn't deliver whilst in a Barca shirt. That much is clear.
Rather what is retarded is claiming that said top striker could easily do what he has never been able to.
Him getting a goal is not even the big issue. He'd have to show up in the first place to have any chance of scoring in such a game. But since we've seen him fail to do so in stronger Barca sides than this one, in identical circumstances, due to being thoroughly shackled. Only wishful thinking can make any of us believe he could easily buck that trend. Especially in less favorable circumstances, whilst being a year older.
Honestly the only retarded theories being disproven in here are yours. You are the one making the claim E'too could easily have made the difference, with out showing what backs up you claim other than wishful thinking, and the lame excuse that because he was a star at Barca and is a top striker things had to just work out for him.
Similar matches to the one being debated are matches of equal or greater importance to it, in which the opponents defended the exact same way Inter did to try to and over come Barca. Basically big teams that packed the bus to help them kick Barca out in later rounds.
Never in a million years
Interesting.....
Absolute bollox. It is quite possible and plausible that Eto'o could have scored against Inter. I never ever said he would score. Show me where I did.
You are categorically saying that there is no way Eto'o would have scored agaisnt Inter. That is the most retarded thing I have ever heard to be honest.
I highly doubt you can predict the scores and scorers of every single match. There is absolutely no way of knowing if Eto'o would have scored or not.
Name Changed and Rubberman really know how to kill a thread eh?
Surely 15 multi quotes of one post is some kind of record?
Has to be!
If you ever want to get rid of me in an argument on here just start multiquoting. My brain refuses to read it.
If you ever want to get rid of me in an argument on here just start multiquoting. My brain refuses to read it.
Ok. I will not respond to any more comments in this thread by Chief! Hopefully that will get it back on track for you.
In your confused mind.......
It's possible yes, plausible? Only for a wishful thinker. You can't expect me to take you seriously when you think Eto'o, a year older and in a weaker Barca side than he had ever been in, could be able to suddenly easily over come the same heavy marking that rendered him ineffective on 2 previous occasions in a stronger Barca side than that whcih faced Inter.
I haven't accused you of saying would, again. However I am accusing of taking it for granted that he could easily make the difference. That much is clear.
It is you who said this:
I never made that up. I quoted you verbatim! You keep hiding behind the word could to hide the obvious fact you are taking things for granted. You are assuming that just because Eto'o used to shine in a Barca shirt, things were just going to fall in place for him if he had faced Inter this time.
Well that's too bad for you then. It matters little if you think it retarded. Especially when you keep taking it for granted that Eto'o could easily make the difference without anything substantial to back your position up. Going by that alone a rebuke from you is no rebuke at all frankly.
Well I'm not predicting scores. I'm predicting how a player would most likely have performed in the given circumstances.
There is a very clear way of knowing. You simply want to reject it to hold on to your wishful thinking. Not for any other reason.
Liar. I have never and nor will I ever say such a thing.
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Wrong. Rather It's when someone says a player could easily do something. It means he is certain that player will overcome what he faces, regardless of circumstances on the ground.
Yes. You come across as some one who clearly thinks nothing could stop him in a Barca shirt. Even though you probably don't really intend to.
That's rubbish! I have clearly said nothing of the sort. You are real good at creating things for me and claiming I said them. Of course they are largely stupid. I wouldn't be caught dead saying most of them. But you love to imagine that I have. Which is your problem alone.
Totally wrong one again. I haven't at any point said he can't score in a semi. So him scoring in one will never make me look stupid. Even if he scored 6 in his next semi, he will never make me look stupid for saying I'm sure he'd have made no impact against Inter for Barca this year.
Nah, post all you want. It was meant as a joke.
This is weird.
Chief - whether it's your intention or not, you do realise that what you're actually stating is that, had Eto'o played in the Barca-Inter games, there is absolutely no chance that he would have scored?
I get the feeling that it is accidental, and that you've unwittingly been drawn into an argument about semantics instead of football, but there it is.
One of you is saying it's possible he could have scored, could have made a difference - the other is saying that it is impossible.
Do you really think it is impossible?
Chief - whether it's your intention or not, you do realise that what you're actually stating is that, had Eto'o played in the Barca-Inter games, there is absolutely no chance that he would have scored?
I get the feeling that it is accidental, and that you've unwittingly been drawn into an argument about semantics instead of football, but there it is.
One of you is saying it's possible he could have scored, could have made a difference - the other is saying that it is impossible.
Do you really think it is impossible?
This happens quite often. The Titus Bramble vs Zidane debate was a great one. I actually agree with Rubberman's comments quite often, but he generally resorts to drawn out arguments over semantics once he's dug himself a hole by making a ludicrous statement.I believe so. He'd never have been given the chance to have an impact overall. After all in a stronger Barca side, against similarly dogged opponents, he was twice l shackled so severely to the extent he was rendered invisible.. Against Inter it would have been far worse. For he wouldn't have had the likes of Iniesta and Henry,, or Ronaldinho like he had in the past as added distractions for that Inter defence. I feel He'd have really faired no better than Zlatan did for them.
Actually Name Changed is saying he could easily have made a difference while I'm merely disputing the validity of that claim.
Almost impossible. He'd have had to do what he failed to do in a stronger Barca side than this, when he was younger than he is now. Which is actually manage to perform enough against such a dogged opponent to get a chance to score. Easily bucking such a trend would have been a big ask, even for him. I'm personally not convinced he would have in the given circumstances.
The words "flatters to deceive" spring to mind
Nah, I'm bored of it to be honest...
Better side... younger age... similar dogged opponents... WTF?
It's football and Etoo has a pretty decent track record as a striker. I wouldn't be surprised if he scored against any team.
It's like saying Rooney never scored against Barca and we were better before because we had Ronaldo then, so surely if we meet tomorrow he wouldn't... Madness.
I'm amused at how you consistently get entangled in arguments where you start off with something that is basic common sense (e.g. the better players should improve a team argument with Boring) and the more you argue the less convincing you are.
I think it goes down to how deterministic your arguments are. You put things down as logical and things in football are rarely fool-proof to that extent. More likely? Yes. Definitely? No.
If it's just your opinion you are entitled to it. If you keep stressing logic you are saying anyone disagreeing must be pretty thick, and that's how you end up with someone rabidly chasing you through a thread.
Figure it out. It will dawn on you if you try hard enough.
So fecking what? Has any one said it would be a surprise if he scored against ANYBODY?
This is just just dumb.
You clearly have no idea what has been talked about. No one has been talking about what an Eto'o could or couldn't do in the future. Instead it's about what he could have done in one particular game within already fixed parameters that that game had. I suggest that before you put yourself in a debate you actually learn what it's about before bringing forth your ideas.
I don't think that anyone disagreeing with me is thick. I think Chief is an excellent poster.
I think that the idea that Eto'o would definitely not have scored against Inter, i.e. impossible, that that in itself is a ridiculous idea.
Almost impossible isn't impossible. So it's possible. It doesn't have to be definite, just possible. You've been arguing the whole time with me saying he definitely could not have scored/made a difference at all, i.e. impossible. You've essentially just agreed with my point.
To be fair, Eto'o did nothing in both legs against Chelsea last year and they would've probably been knocked out if it weren't for Iniesta/refereeing.
No. You claimed Eto'o could easily have made the difference. I'm still saying hell no. For everything is posible but not necessarily realistic also.
My point exactly. He'd have faired no better in this season's semi in less favorable conditions. It has been no fun being a Barca central striker in semi's recently. They consistently get over shackled. It will be interesting to see if Villa will buck this trend next year if Barca reach another semi.
You saying it is possible (though not realistic) backs up my view that it was not impossible, which was the reason I was disagreeing with you.
IMO if something like that isn't realistic it has no chance of happening.
But it is possible.
So fecking what? Has any one said it would be a surprise if he scored against ANYBODY?
You were arguing Etoo would definitely not make any difference in the semis, weren't you? I call scoring making a difference and think he could have.
I really don't understand how you manage to get so engrossed with a futile point and persist with playing on semantics and going on tangents.
I'm not saying you say so and I actually agree with you that Etoo could have made a difference. I just found it remarkable that you got tangled up in similar multi-page "black or white" debates within a few days and made a suggestion as to what may be drawing people into it.
They certainly are thread-killers.
Yea, I know it was stupid.
That has nothing to do with you attempting to claim I said he couldn't score against anyone in the future.
I'm not engrossed in any semantics. As I said before, there was zero chance of him making any impact on that particular semi final. That is a semantic stance.
Impossible is nothing. Eto'o would have scored at least 2 goals. It's a fecking no brainer. One in each half.
He would have definitely changed the outcome of the match. Eto'o is the dog's bollocks.
He would have definitely changed the outcome of the match. Eto'o is the dog's bollocks.
I never said that. You may have read it that way, or you may have chosen to interpret it that way so you had some basis to rubbish my post. Either way, I can't be fecked with it kemo.
I didn't chose anything. What you said was pretty clear. Below is the proof
I didn't see a big clamour to feck you with it. Besides that can't even happen. So you need to calm down
Also
Grow up a little.
You say Etoo wouldn't have scored (in the semis, not in the future) based on his performance against other opponents at similar stages in the past. I'm making a parallel using Rooney's past performance against a team and what it would predict if the same game were played again (since unfortunately we haven't played Barca again, unless you didn't notice).
I'm saying past performance is not a good basis for saying something is impossible, only an indicator. The Rooney example is purely to illustrate how fragile the argument is.
PS: What growing up? Aren't you Kemo after all?
I'm saying past performance is not a good basis for saying something is impossible, only an indicator. The Rooney example is purely to illustrate how fragile the argument is.
PS: What growing up? Aren't you Kemo after all?
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