I think Ibrahimovich is made for the premier league. I imagine he will be a big success for either City or Chelsea or even Liverpool next season if they do a swap deal with Torres! But unlikely now that Villa has already gone to Barca.
Zlatan Ibrahimovic
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Well, your opinion is rubbish.
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He wasn't bought to be a squad player though. He was a significant downgrade on what Eto'o gave them.
Next season may change that though.
However, I'll never understand the reasoning in getting rid of Eto'o straight after his best season for the club.
Because you don't seem to be aware the decision to sell Eto'o happened before Guardiola arrived. He was just kept because there were no takes and thankfully for him and them he went on to have a fantastic season. Making it easier for them to sell him.
Well they should have really made a proper effort to keep him so, shouldn't they? They most likely would not have relinquished their European crown with a whimper as they did this year!
No. His attitude stank. He thought he deserved Messi's pay. Amongst other things. He only got away with it for that long because of who he was to the club.
Like he was of any use to them in the last 2 semi finals he was with themPeople conveniently forget that vs Manchester United and Cheslea in the semi's he was just as invisible as Zlatan was this time around. Arguably worse his last time around given the season he was having prior to facing Chelsea and the fact he was fighting fit.
Having Eto'o would never have altered Barcelona's fate. He wasn't the key ingredient missing for them this past season.
Well Bojan is mobile and a lethal finisher. That alone makes him veyr good back up. Even though he still has loads to learn in other areas of his play.
16 goals from 29 La Liga apps. 21 goals from 41 in all competitions. Barcelona have won four trophies this season.
Anyone care to share how Ibrahimovic, in his first season at a new club and in a new league, has not been very good?
Anyone care to share how Ibrahimovic, in his first season at a new club and in a new league, has not been very good?
Lets not shy away from the reality here, which is Ibrahimovich has been a massive dissapointment in Barcelona, you only have to read their fans views and look at Guadiolas team selections as the season went on to see that, now their signing David Villa clearly because their not happy with their main striker, if Ibrahimovich had lived up to expectations they wouldnt be resorting to spunking out 40 million plus for a new striker less than 12 months after signing him would they?
His stats are pretty good but his performances have not lived up to what theyd hoped, Guadiola wants better and thats why their now signing David Villa, Ibrahimovich is being offered to anyone wholl take him off their hands for a reasonable sum, i think its pretty clear Barca havnt rated his performances this season, dropping him in favour of youngsters like Bojan for the majority of the run in is also a pretty clear statement of how the managers rated his performances.
He was never the right signing for Barcelona, many on here said so at the time, Villa will be perfect for them, you could see that signing coming a mile off.
His stats are pretty good but his performances have not lived up to what theyd hoped, Guadiola wants better and thats why their now signing David Villa, Ibrahimovich is being offered to anyone wholl take him off their hands for a reasonable sum, i think its pretty clear Barca havnt rated his performances this season, dropping him in favour of youngsters like Bojan for the majority of the run in is also a pretty clear statement of how the managers rated his performances.
He was never the right signing for Barcelona, many on here said so at the time, Villa will be perfect for them, you could see that signing coming a mile off.
Considering his age, his history of underperforming on the biggest occasion and his price tag - it's not that great an achievement.
They are letting Henry go, though. I know he plays wider, but he's still a forward.
True.They would have bought an attacking player whether Ibra performed well or not
I could see him moving to city. They are the only ones willing to pay the exorbitant fee and wages he'll demand and he might just relish the challenge of the premiership over the prospect of being frozen out at barca.
If Barca sign fabregas and villa, they will be truly scary.
If Barca sign fabregas and villa, they will be truly scary.
Because on the two or three occasions that most of the caftards actually saw him play (the live CL games), he didn't play that well and was stupidly substituted.
You see I never claimed the way I rated them was the exact truth.I just said that if we looked at things from a certain angle (stats in this case) which doesn't reveal everything I admit, the conclusion that Zlatan has been better can be valid.
I also said that there are more things to be taken into consideration to have a final review on both players.
It's quite good. but not great. 'in his first season in a new league' means a lot less when you're the most expensive centre forward ever and brought in as the missing piece of the jigsaw. People expected great, the buzz was that now he was finally going to be able to prove that he is genuinely up there with the best.
Now it's been downgraded to 'good... for a first season adapting and all'.
He's failed to match what Eto'o gave them the season before that and barca paid an obscene amount of money for that privilege.
I honestly thought he would deliver for them in the ways many imagined he was capable of, but he hasn't.
Think he'll be gone if barca can recoup a sizeable part of their investment.
You mean if Man City come in with their big bag of money?
Bit of a generalisation there.....
For me he was in the first instance a politcal signing. I think Pep wanted another striker to give them "something different". Which to a certain extent particularly in the Champions league did work.
Hes been substituted in the league especially when Barca were struggling in games. Facts are they're a more effective and penetrative side with him on the bench. Pedro for example deserves his winners medal alot more than Ibra.
Hes a quality player no doubt, but im still convinced the money side of the transfer aside that if Etoo and Ibra didnt swap both would have had better seasons individually.
Villa is a massive upgrade as far as im concerned
Where will Zlatan end up this summer?
He's going to city. They're stupid enough to pay the fee. Madrid don't want him and his style will clash with Drogba's at Chelsea.
Man city. Mancini loves him.
Would fit the Premier League I think.
Zlatan and Tevez would probably a good pair (of cnuts!).
Zlatan and Tevez would probably a good pair (of cnuts!).
You obviously never watched him in the Serie A.
Zlatan is not a mercenary, he won't go to City unless he's absolutely forced to.
Yep, Villa's a better player and just as importantly and fits Barca like a glove.
seen him have his fair share of shockers in the Derby d'Italia.
He is not? Quality player but I don't recall him being particularly loyal to any of the clubs he has played for.
He's a winner that wants to win trophies and play in the Champions League, that's why he wont be going to City.
On the caf you are either shit or the best in the world. There is absolutely no middle ground, especially for players outside the Premier League.
Nah. He more often than not was the star of the big Italian games for Inter.
Yea, his attitude wasn't good, but Ibra hardly has the best of attitudes himself, does he?
Considering he scored so many goals for them last season, he could have easily have made the difference.
Well he scored more goals last season than he ever did before. He scored in the final. How do you know he wouldn't have been the key ingredient? Of course he could of been.
Ibra was a downgrade on Eto'o from last season, simple as.
Big time.
He is an angel compared to Eto'o. Believe you me.
Not a chance. He was worse than Zlatan was in last years semi when he faced Chelsea last season. Playing in a side in better form and with team mates he knew far better than Zlatan knew his of this season. The only reason you keep making such a comment is because you don't rate Zlatan. Not becasue Eto'o could actually have made an actual difference.
It's amazing how Eto'o keeps getting bigged up in here when it is Inter and not him who have had a great season. Especially when Zlatan for all the stick he is getting has performed better for Barca than Eto'o has for inter.
So? He never scored in the semi did he? In case you forgot, Barca got out at the semi final stage.
Bullshit. He didn't s score in last year semi, nor the one before that, and there is feck all proof he'd have done so against a this Mourinho side if he was facing it this year either.
Bullshit. Some of you have clouded your better judgment only because Eto'o is now in another final. Having Eto'o would never have got Barca in the final. I assure you.
Believe you? Why? It is an opinion, not a fact.
I look at facts and not opinions. Eto'o at Barcelona was a far superior player than Zlatan was for them. So of course Eto'o could have made the difference. One thing is for sure, Zlatan didn't. Of course he could have made the difference.
My original comment about Eto'o was that Barca should have kept him and made a mistake by going for Zlatan instead was what you disagreed about. Eto'o is much more suited to Barca than Zlatan is. Zlatan was better in Italy than Eto'o is now. Certain players, certain teams, certain leagues.
I don't care how Eto'o is doing at Inter, that wasn't the discussion. The discussion was relating to Barcelona.
I must be missing something here. Did Zlatan set the world alight for Barca in the CL this year or something? So what if Eto'o didn't score in a semi final before, who is to say he wouldn't have scored this time? You're saying he would not have made a different. That is absolute bollox. He might have, he might not. Nobody can categorically say that he would not have made a difference. That is bull.
Again, my previous retort qualifies. Who is to say he wouldn't have made a difference this year? You're saying he won't, just because he didn't score in a semi before. That makes absolutely no sense. Surely it would be harder to score in a final anyway. One simply cannot say for certain that he would not have made a difference, especially considering the form he last showed for Barcelona.
You can't assure anything. Eto'o last year was a much better player than Zlatan was for Barca this year. So to categorically say that Eto'o would definitely not have made any difference is frankly ignorant.
Well the evidence is there for you to check up on if you have the time. Then you will know whether it's just opinion that Eto'o is the bigger dressing room head ache.
Then why do you keep trying to pass off your opinion that Eto'o would have certainly made the difference vs Inter as a fact? When he 2 times in a row failed to make an impact vs us and Chelsea at the same stage? Even in a stronger team than Zlatan has been in this season?
That's a mere assumption on your part not a fact! Last season Eto'o was at Barca and was just as useless as Zlatan was this year at that same stage. That's a fact not an opinion. You are just assuming he'd fair better some how. When the truth is Barca's lead forwards haven't been having much joy in semi finals of late. Eto'o 2 times, now Zlatan this time. Regardless of how suited their system better.
They have to hope Villa will break that duck next season.
Yes because I don't believe replacing Eto'o was a mistake. They had to replace him for their relationship was untenable. They tried Zlatan, for he was easily gettable, it didn't work sadly, now they have Villa, who will most likely work.
I agree with that.
It should be very much part of it. You are trying to make Eto'o seem so much better than Zlatan. When the truth is he really isn't. That is why last season, at the same stage, he faired just like Zlatan did. Difference being Iniesta was there to bail him and Barca out.
Did he have to, in order to render your argument weak? In order for Eto'o to have made a difference for Barca this year, in comparison to Zlatan, he would have had to get them past Inter. Which I'm confident would have been highly unlikely.
Rather what is absolute bollocks is your persistent claim that this time would have been different for Eto'o. There is nothing to support your claim other than your love for the player. NOTHING!
Why can't they? On two occasions a top defence stopped him easily. Yet you want to claim your are SURE he'd have succeeded this time and think your not talking bollocks?
Pulease
The fact he failed on 2 occasions in a team with team mates he was completely used to, points to the likely hood he'd have done the same again. Ina comparatively weaker Barca side vs more dogged opponents.
The fact that even in his best year in a Barca shirt, in their best side to date, he still did nothing for them at the same stage. That's ''who''.
It makes no sense because that is not close what I'm saying.
I'm saying he was totally stopped twice in a semi final by top defences. Yet he suited Barca's system to a tee, was used to his team mates, on top of being in top form and fitness the last time around. Yet he had no impact whatsoever on the ties. & I'm not just talking goals here. He basically did everything Zlatan did in the recent semi. So for you and others to suddenly claim he'd have done any better is beyond silly. Eto'o was far from the missing link that caused Barca's semi final demise this time. For anyone to try and paint it as a failure brought about by his absence is laughable in the extreme.
So what? Barca didn't get out in a final this time a round did they? Eto'o being able to perform in a final means feck all if he can't get his team through to one. That can't be that hard to understand.
The form he last showed at Barca counted for nothing in the semi final. It had to take Iniesta to take them through! Infact you are better off with an argument that Iniesta would have got Barca through rather than trying to pass of this ludicrous claim that Eto'o would have certainly done so as fact.
In a MUCH better Barca, side, MORE USED to his teammates, In better form and Fitness than Zlatan of the same stage this time, Yet
Guess what....
Eto'o was rank shite in the both legs of the semi & had no hand in getting them through to the final.
Rather what is ignorant is claiming Et'oo would certainly have done better than last year in a weaker Barca side than last season's, and against more dogged opponents. That is classic burying ones head in the sand like an ostrich to ignore reality.
Barca missed a player like Eto'o last year, Villa is a great signing.
Hasn't his salary been increased with each move?
Is he not?
Did he stay and help Juve gain promotion like Buffon, Nedved, Camoranesi etc?.... or, did he jump ship ASAP and get himself another MASSIVE pay rise?
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