Zlatan Ibrahimovic

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Is he not?

Did he stay and help Juve gain promotion like Buffon, Nedved, Camoranesi etc?.... or, did he jump ship ASAP and get himself another MASSIVE pay rise?

Which idiot would choose to stay in such a situation especially at the age Zlatan is at.

Why stay and for what.. the promise of strutting his stuff in Serie A and empty audiences.. or go play for Barcelona and potentially win the european cup.

hmm hard choice indeed and if the choice to play for Barca makes him a mercenary, 95% of the world would be mercenaries.
 
Well the evidence is there for you to check up on if you have the time. Then you will know whether it's just opinion that Eto'o is the bigger dressing room head ache.

There is no such evidence to say who is the bigger cnut.

Then why do you keep trying to pass off your opinion that Eto'o would have certainly made the difference vs Inter as a fact? When he 2 times in a row failed to make an impact vs us and Chelsea at the same stage? Even in a stronger team than Zlatan has been in this season?

There you go. Bullshit. I never ever ever siad that Eto'o would certainly have made the difference. I said the could have. Not would. Could. Could and would have different meanings.

That's a mere assumption on your part not a fact! Last season Eto'o was at Barca and was just as useless as Zlatan was this year at that same stage. That's a fact not an opinion. You are just assuming he'd fair better some how. When the truth is Barca's lead forwards haven't been having much joy in semi finals of late. Eto'o 2 times, now Zlatan this time. Regardless of how suited their system better.

Again, it's that could/would thing. You are categorically saying that Eto'o would not have made a difference. I completely disagree with that. How the hell would you know what Eto'o might not have done? You are categorically dismissing something which is totally wrong. I said Eto'o could have made the difference.

They have to hope Villa will break that duck next season.

More chance of him doing so than Zlatan.

Yes because I don't believe replacing Eto'o was a mistake. They had to replace him for their relationship was untenable. They tried Zlatan, for he was easily gettable, it didn't work sadly, now they have Villa, who will most likely work.

It was a mistake if who they replaced him with did a worse job.

I agree with that.

Thanks. Stalemate over. :angel:

It should be very much part of it. You are trying to make Eto'o seem so much better than Zlatan. When the truth is he really isn't. That is why last season, at the same stage, he faired just like Zlatan did. Difference being Iniesta was there to bail him and Barca out.

I'm not making Eto'o out to be so much better than Zlatan. What I am saying is that he was far better for Barcelona than Zlatan is or is ever likely to be.

Did he have to, in order to render your argument weak? In order for Eto'o to have made a difference for Barca this year, in comparison to Zlatan, he would have had to get them past Inter. Which I'm confident would have been highly unlikely.

He might have. He might not have.

Rather what is absolute bollocks is your persistent claim that this time would have been different for Eto'o. There is nothing to support your claim other than your love for the player. NOTHING!

I didn't make one such claim, nevermind it being a persistant one. I said he could have made the difference, not would. Could/Would. Different.

And, I don't love Eto'o. Anything but. I love my missus, my dog and Man Utd. That's about it.

Why can't they? On two occasions a top defence stopped him easily. Yet you want to claim your are SURE he'd have succeeded this time and think your not talking bollocks?

On two occasions a top defence stopped him. On numerous occasions a top defence couldn't touch him. He didn't score against United it one semi final, get scored against them in the final the next year.

Please show me one single sentence in which I said Eto'o would have scored or would have made the difference.


Eh?

The fact he failed on 2 occasions in a team with team mates he was completely used to, points to the likely hood he'd have done the same again. Ina comparatively weaker Barca side vs more dogged opponents.

How were Barca weaker? The only reason they were weaker was because he himself was missing.

The fact that even in his best year in a Barca shirt, in their best side to date, he still did nothing for them at the same stage. That's ''who''.

That makes no sense. You think for a player to be class and great, that he has to score in every single round of the CL? That is absolutely stupid.

It makes no sense because that is not close what I'm saying.:lol:

I'm saying he was totally stopped twice in a semi final by top defences. Yet he suited Barca's system to a tee, was used to his team mates, on top of being in top form and fitness the last time around. Yet he had no impact whatsoever on the ties. & I'm not just talking goals here. He basically did everything Zlatan did in the recent semi. So for you and others to suddenly claim he'd have done any better is beyond silly. Eto'o was far from the missing link that caused Barca's semi final demise this time. For anyone to try and paint it as a failure brought about by his absence is laughable in the extreme.

In fact, is it what you said. By saying that he definitely would have made no difference, then that is saying that he wouldn't have scored. Scoring would have made a difference.

Again, I'll reiterate this for the twentieth time. You, Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber, are the one who categorically denies that Eto'o would have made any difference to Barca this year. I'm calling you out and saying that that is absolute bullshit. You do not know for certain that he would not have made a difference. I'm not saying that he would have, but of course he could have.

So what? Barca didn't get out in a final this time a round did they? Eto'o being able to perform in a final means feck all if he can't get his team through to one. That can't be that hard to understand.

Messi didn't perform in the semi final. Does that mean feck all? Does that mean he can't perform in next year's semi final?

The final is more important than the semi final. The final is the end of the competition.

Also, Eto'o not performing in a semi-final does not make it gospel that he would not be able to perform in another semi-final. Ridiculous theory. Do you think there is some kind of mental block with Samuel Eto'o which deems it impossible for him to be able to perform in a semi-final, yet perform in every other round? That would be extremely weird.

The form he last showed at Barca counted for nothing in the semi final. It had to take Iniesta to take them through! Infact you are better off with an argument that Iniesta would have got Barca through rather than trying to pass of this ludicrous claim that Eto'o would have certainly done so as fact.

Is Iniesta not allowed be the difference or something? Is it only Eto'o who is allowed take them through?

You're really annoying me now. I'll explain this again. NOT ONE SINGLE TIME DID I MAKE ANY SUCH LUDICROUS CLAIM THAT ETO'O WOULD HAVE BEEN THE DIFFERENCE FOR BARCELONA THIS YEAR AS A FACT. I just dismissed your claim that he would definitely have not have made the difference. How the hell could you know?

In a MUCH better Barca, side, MORE USED to his teammates, In better form and Fitness than Zlatan of the same stage this time, Yet

What makes Barca a worse team now than the year previously? I can only think of one real difference in their team. That was up front.

Guess what....

Eto'o was rank shite in the both legs of the semi & had no hand in getting them through to the final.

Rather what is ignorant is claiming Et'oo would certainly have done better than last year in a weaker Barca side than last season's, and against more dogged opponents. That is classic burying ones head in the sand like an ostrich to ignore reality.

No. It is ignorant of you to claim that Eto'o simply would not have made a difference. That is complete ignorance because of your dislike for the player.
 
There is no such evidence to say who is the bigger cnut.
It is there alright. You can't just wish it away.

There you go. Bullshit. I never ever ever siad that Eto'o would certainly have made the difference. I said the could have. Not would. Could. Could and would have different meanings.
Using the word could instead of would doesn't make your statement any better frankly. Especially when you added the word easily to the mix:

Considering he scored so many goals for them last season, he could have easily have made the difference.


Again, it's that could/would thing. You are categorically saying that Eto'o would not have made a difference. I completely disagree with that. How the hell would you know what Eto'o might not have done? You are categorically dismissing something which is totally wrong. I said Eto'o could have made the difference.
I have far more reason to dismiss it that than hiding behind the word could like you are so obviously doing.

More chance of him doing so than Zlatan.
Or Eto'o before him for that matter. For unlike both he is a natural predator.


It was a mistake if who they replaced him with did a worse job.
It depends how you look at it. For me it's not a mistake to replace a player you can't keep.

Thanks. Stalemate over. :angel:

I'm not making Eto'o out to be so much better than Zlatan. What I am saying is that he was far better for Barcelona than Zlatan is or is ever likely to be.
That isn't what we are disputing over is it? You are trying to claim Eto'o could have easily made the difference for them this season. I don't agree at all.

On two occasions a top defence stopped him. On numerous occasions a top defence couldn't touch him. He didn't score against United it one semi final, get scored against them in the final the next year.
What he did in the final means feck all really when you keep trying to claim he could have easily made the difference this time. Barca didn't get out in a final.


How were Barca weaker? The only reason they were weaker was because he himself was missing.
No Iniesta, No in form Henry. You really want to claim they were a stronger outfit now than that which faced Chelsea in last season's semi?

That makes no sense. You think for a player to be class and great, that he has to score in every single round of the CL? That is absolutely stupid.
Rather what is truly absolutely, in fact universally stupid, is you attempting to attribute such garbage to me. I haven't even come close to saying that frankly! I clearly said Eto'o in stronger Barca side than this current one , in the form of his life, did feck all in the semis against less sturdy opponents. Claiming he 'could easily' have done better than Zlatan now is a foolish assumption. Whether you try and dress it up with the word could or not.

In fact, is it what you said. By saying that he definitely would have made no difference, then that is saying that he wouldn't have scored. Scoring would have made a difference.
Bullshit. You don't have to score to make a difference. You can create the winner, you can win a penalty, free kick etc. I'm sure Eto'o would most likely have done nothing because he was just as useless as Zlatan against a side less dogged than Inter was in this semi. In a far stronger Barca side than the current one, a side that suited him down to the ground. Whilst also being in the form of his life.

I'm calling you out and saying that that is absolute bullshit. You do not know for certain that he would not have made a difference.
Past evidence makes me sure. It's not my fault you have no evidence to make you sure of your view. :p

Messi didn't perform in the semi final. Does that mean feck all?
Yes. For we are not discussing Messi. But how Eto'o could have allegedly easily made a difference instead of Zlatan.

Does that mean he can't perform in next year's semi final?[QUOTE5] If the Barca side was to some how become much weaker than the one of this season. Its very likely.

The final is more important than the semi final. The final is the end of the competition.
So what? You don't get to a final without wining a semi do you? To 'easily' make a difference Eto'o would have had to be a sure bet to be the difference between Barca wining and losing this year's semi. There is nothing that makes such a claim sensible. Evne if you look back on Eto'o's brilliant Barca career.

Also, Eto'o not performing in a semi-final does not make it gospel that he would not be able to perform in another semi-final. Ridiculous theory. Do you think there is some kind of mental block with Samuel Eto'o which deems it impossible for him to be able to perform in a semi-final, yet perform in every other round? That would be extremely weird.
You just don't get it do you? Since Eto'o in the form of his life, in a team that suited him best, couldn't cut it in a semi against a some what defensive side? Where do you get off thinking he'd easily do so in a much weaker side, against more defensively dogged opponents? Apart from mere fantasy land!

Is Iniesta not allowed be the difference or something? Is it only Eto'o who is allowed take them through?
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It's you claiming Eto'o ''could easily have made the difference''! I'm merely pointing out the obvious fallacy of your claim! You don't seem to realise Eto'o got his chance to score in last year's final because of Iniesta's intervention i.e other factors. Without it, he'd have been in the same boat as Zlatan is now. Which shows how foolish your 'he could easily have made a difference' stance is.

What makes Barca a worse team now than the year previously? I can only think of one real difference in their team. That was up front
That is because you dismiss Zlatan and overrate Eto'o. Barca played this semi without a fully fit Iniesta and an in form Henry. They were obviously much weaker than when they faced Chelsea last season. To think Samuel Eto'o could have easily fared better in such less favorable circumstances is strange to say the least.

No. It is ignorant of you to claim that Eto'o simply would not have made a difference. That is complete ignorance because of your dislike for the player.
I have never disliked Eto'o nor will I ever.:lol:

I just don't worship him like you clearly do. Mr 'he could easily have made a difference''.
 
What will he do now that Villa is going to sign? Will he show the world what a great player he is and fight for his place?
It's possible. I'm not sure Barca will give him the chance to though. They have to sell to balance the books when they bag Fabregas. They could still fetch a pretty sum for Zlatan.
 
He's probably not good enough to step it up to another level.

Eto'o at his best is so much better than him it's not funny. Eto'o just doesn what Ibra can't, consistently, which is doing it at the biggest stage. Even at inter, where he often plays in some weird wide attacking role, he manages to work super hard for his team and produce the magic going forward when needed. Did it against Chelsea, did it at the San Siro against Barca too. They weren't great performances but they had a lot of heart in them and enough class.
 
From goal:

Barcelona superstar Zlatan Ibrahimovic could be set for a £46 million switch to Manchester United, Chelsea or Manchester City after David Villa's arrival at the Nou Camp.

The Catalan giants have agreed a £34.2 million deal with Valencia to bring the lethal centre forward to the club. Sport has reported this has pushed Ibrahimovic towards the Premier League as Barcelona look to balance the books.

United have been linked all summer with a move for a top-line centre forward to support Wayne Rooney. City's billions and the presence of Ibrahimovic's ex-Inter Milan manager Roberto Mancini makes them a possible destination, while Chelsea are in the market for a "marquee signing".

Ibrahimovic has struggled to win over the fans at the Nou Camp since his £60 million move last summer. Despite grabbing 21 goals in all competitions, he could be forced out after just one campaign.


We could have 2 Berbatovs then!
 
Won't happen in a million years. Where do they get these rumours from. Zlatan to United = 0%
 
Well, if we get another Berbatov perhaps between the two of them they can finally do the work of one normal player.
 
Berbatov and Ibra = one who can't run and one who won't run

It would be "my Flick is better than yours"

:D
 
Chief, so basically what you are saying is:

  1. The semi-final is actually more important than the final
  2. If someone states a player could do something, it means that he will without a shadow of a doubt do it
  3. I worship Eto'o
  4. Because Eto'o did not score in the CL semi-final before, he could never ever ever score in one.

All of these four things are so absurd that they are actually stupid.

Performing in the final is more important than performing in the semi final.
The word could means that something might happen. It is not definite, only possible. The word would means it will happen, definitely. Do you see the difference? Will I post a dictionary link?
I don't like Eto'o.
Eto'o could score in a semi-final. If he does so next year or any year, you're going to look like a complete retard.
 
:lol: Your immensely weak arguement has crumbled completely Rubberman

Just accept the reality and concede Eto'o has performed better on the big stage
:lol: Are you for real:lol: I haven't any where argued that Eto'o hasn't performed on a bigger stage.

I've only stated repeatedly he would never have made the difference for Barclona in this year's semi final. For they never got out of Europe because he was missing.
 
Personally, I wouldn't want us spending a fortune on Zlatan. To be he is very similar to Berbatov, only far better. If we were actually going to buy a forward, I'd rather it be one that is not like Berbatov.
 
It's very, very harsh to compare a one of a kind legend like Eto'o to Ibra though.

For what it's worth, I think he's had a decent first season at Barcelona, scoring some important goals.

If Barcelona do keep him, they'll have plenty of scope for tactical variations to their side with him, Messi, Villa, Pedro and Bojan being the options up front.
 
Is he not?

Did he stay and help Juve gain promotion like Buffon, Nedved, Camoranesi etc?.... or, did he jump ship ASAP and get himself another MASSIVE pay rise?

Why would he stay? He doesn't owe Juve a shit, he'd just arrived and found out they were cheating scum, of course he would move on.
 
Did he? I must confess I didn't realise that.

That would have completely blown Chief's theory that Eto'o is incapable of scoring in CL semi's completely out of the water.
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You're really are not serious... I said he hadn't scored in the last 2 semi's due to facing very defensive teams. Thus I was cetrain he would have made no difference vs Inter, in less favorable circumstances than when he failed last.

Where you got this inane Idea I believe Eto'o can't score in semi's I don't know. It's as wrong as Brad's claim that I said Eto'o can't perform on a bigger stage than Zlatan.
 
Some of the Spanish press are reporting that Zlatan's agent has been given the nod by Barca to go and sound out the market for his client, which I guess would mean it depends on the price. Apparently Madrid, who were part of his checklist, weren't interested.
 
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You're really are not serious... I said he hadn't scored in the last 2 semi's due to facing very defensive teams. Thus I was cetrain he would have made no difference vs Inter, in less favorable circumstances than when he failed last.

Where you got this inane Idea I believe Eto'o can't score in semi's I don't know. It's as wrong as Brad's claim that I said Eto'o can't perform on a bigger stage than Zlatan.

Chief, your argument is so ridiculous that it is absurd.

Going back over what you said, twice, you actually say that he would definitely not have been capable of making a difference this year because he did not score in two previous semi-finals against defensively sound teams. Yet, he scored in the final against one of them.

So your absolutely absurd claim means that you are of the opinion that Samuel Eto'o is unable to score against defensively minded teams in semi finals only. He can score in finals and quarter finals and any other round, but it is only in semi finals that Eto''o cannot score against a good defensively sound team. Do you know how absolutely ridiculous that really is? It's not the kind of idea that I'd normally associate with yourself.
 
Have Barca acted in haste only giving Ibra one year to prove himself or is it a sign of good management that you realise you have made a mistake and are now rectifying it?
 
Have Barca acted in haste only giving Ibra one year to prove himself or is it a sign of good management that you realise you have made a mistake and are now rectifying it?

They have simply bought a better player now who suits their system more. Ibra hasn't been sold on anyway.
 
I think they'll keep them both.

Zlatan was bought to give them another option up front. They will want to keep that option IMO.
 
Chief, your argument is so ridiculous that it is absurd.

Going back over what you said, twice, you actually say that he would definitely not have been capable of making a difference this year because he did not score in two previous semi-finals against defensively sound teams. Yet, he scored in the final against one of them.is?....
What Bullshit. We did not defend like Chelsea or Inter defended against them in the final. We attacked Barcelona just like Benfica did. We were far form defensively sound in the final. Besides what he did vs us has feck all relevance to the debate we are having. Besides, I'm disputing your claim he'd have made a difference in matches exactly like this recent semi. Not any game he has ever played.

So your absolutely absurd claim means that you are of the opinion that Samuel Eto'o is unable to score against defensively minded teams in semi finals only. He can score in finals and quarter finals and any other round, but it is only in semi finals that Eto''o cannot score against a good defensively sound team. Do you know how absolutely ridiculous that really is? It's not the kind of idea that I'd normally associate with yourself.
FFS. What is ridiculous is you repeatedly going on these stupid tangents of yours. What the feck is this bullshit logic above?

The entire debate I've been having with you is about Eto'o making a difference in a semi like the one Barca was kicked out in. I don't see what the hell his exploits in a final have to do with that. I don't see what the heck his goal against Benfica or us who never played like Inter did have to do with it either. Neither do I see what the feck he has done in group stages has to do with it. We were not having a debate about these other issues. Nor about matches that were not played like that recent semi was.

We are having a debate about a semi final in which Barca faced a defensively dogged opponent and came up short. Not Eto'o's entire career! It is you who claimed he could have easily made the difference in such a semi. I countered by saying in a Barca shirt, in a stronger Barca side, he faced 2 opponents who played just like Inter did at this same stage and he did nothing on both occasions. So you have no basis for your claim was my conclusion.

Instead you want to bathe me in all this irrelevant shit about how he scored in a final, how he scored Benfica, us, how you now wrongly imagine that I'm saying it is only in semifinals Eto'o can't score against defensiveness food teams...:wenger:

God damn it man! Just stick to the debate! Quit putting words and your own weird ideas in my mouth and don't bring irrelevant issues into it. There is no point making claims if you can't properly debate them. The debate is about one particular match. & those similar to it. Stick to it ffs.
 
Villa was a quality buy whether they sell Ibra or not. It was clear they had no plan B and Villa is proven world class striker with a phenomenal La Liga record at the peak of his career. If that isn't a good purchase I don't know what is. I expect him to score truck loads next season. I think they should keep Zlatan and make him fight for his place.
 
Villa was a quality buy whether they sell Ibra or not. It was clear they had no plan B and Villa is proven world class striker with a phenomenal La Liga record at the peak of his career. If that isn't a good purchase I don't know what is. I expect him to score truck loads next season. I think they should keep Zlatan and make him fight for his place.
Indeed. Zlatan if he stays would be plan B. Alongside an addition like a goal scoring AM like Fabregas.
 
How awesome is La Liga going to be next year if Mourinho goes to Madrid to team up with Ronaldo and Kaka and Barcelona have Messi, Xavi, Cesc and Villa to challenge them?

Would be even more of a two team league, just when you thought that wasn't possible.
 
A year ago, in this very thread, the arguement went that Zlatan was held back by his inferior team mates, and that in a team worthy of him, he'd dominate the big stage the way his admirers have always said he would

Events have a funny way of working out...
 
A year ago, in this very thread, the arguement went that Zlatan was held back by his inferior team mates, and that in a team worthy of him, he'd dominate the big stage the way his admirers have always said he would

Events have a funny way of working out...

I remember it very well. Was just about to point it out myself. Eto'o bags yet another champions league medal. Tough luck Zlatan, there's always city.......
 
Recent interview with Zlatan:

"England doesn't tempt me, I don't like rain."
 
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