Zlatan Ibrahimovic
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Bull shit. They walked that league and won at a canter. Granted it might have been closer if they didn't have Ibrahimovic but seeing as the standard over there is pretty shit at the moment they'd have still won.
He just has something about him, something i don't like. Besides, the whole thing is pointless, we already have Berbatov.
He's been their stand out player. It's one thing to not like a player because "He just has something about him, something i don't like." but to disregard the influence they have on the team and their importance to the team is a bit rediculous.
Would United have won the league and champions league without ronaldo? Maybe but highly highly unlikely. And i dont like ronaldo. He just has something about him, something i don't like...
Would United have won the league and champions league without ronaldo? Maybe but highly highly unlikely. And i dont like ronaldo. He just has something about him, something i don't like...
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He's been their stand out player. It's one thing to not like a player because "He just has something about him, something i don't like." but to disregard the influence they have on the team and their importance to the team is a bit rediculous.
Would United have won the league and champions league without ronaldo? Maybe but highly highly unlikely. And i dont like ronaldo. He just has something about him, something i don't like...
I never said that, i just disagreed with this comment of yours
. He was the top scorer, so obviously a huge influence but to put their success purely down to him is what is ridiculous.FranklyVulgar said:
Plus, like i said, we already have Berbatov.
top scorer and directly involved in most goals they scored all season...
he's better than Berbatov, by quite a bit.
he's better than Berbatov, by quite a bit.
You can't really question the impact of Ibra, his stats speaks for themselves. I recall one season where he had more assists than goals.
No he isn't
i dont get how some over here dont rate him. if he joined United he would be the best striker on the team. and i would wank myself to death
O yes he is.
yes he is.
Manchester United are Berbatovs first really big club at the age of 27/28 and he managed 9 goals in 31 league appearances. This is with experience of the league from his time at spurs too.
Ibrahimovic moved to his first very big club from Ajax to Juve, a shit league to one of the best at the age of 23 managing 16 goals in 35 league appearances and was awarded the foreign player of the year award.
He's been one of the best since then in the world whilst it's taken Berbatov a lot longer to finally get himself to a big club and so far he hasnt lived up to his price tag or billing.
I'm a fan, he was terrific at spurs and he can and i hope will have a great season and stay at united and prove a few points because he can do better and he says as much himself.
I usually don't get involved in which player is better wankfests but Ibra is better than Berbatov, those who say otherwise are red-tinted. Ibrahimovic has the lot, anticipation, power, speed, technique, mentality. Berbatov has anticipation and technique.
That's open to debate, but while we have Berbatov we won't sign Zlatan.
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Better yes, but by quite a bit?
If Ibrahimovic is better why isn't he in a United shirt then ?
Berbatov is going to have a stormer this season.
Berbatov is going to have a stormer this season.
Yes.
shit argument...you could also say if chiellini is better than O'Shea why isn't he in a United shirt then?
Zlatan is a class above Berba.
That's a rubbish argument. Berbatov moved to a big league for one of the bigger clubs in that league, while playing at the top level in the Champions League and doing well. He actually scored a goal in the knockout rounds then, against an English team, at the age of 20. Berbatov's record for Leverkusen was a lot better than Ibrahimovic's for Juventus too.
In this season when Ibrahimovic won foreign player of the year, an award that isn't done anywhere else and so is slightly misleading, through scoring 16 goals in 35 league games Berbatov scored 20 goals in 33 league games, and 5 goals in 10 Champions League performances when Ibrahimovic scored 0 goals in 10 Champions League appearances.
I'm sorry but you have a habit of talking up your favourite players just a bit too much.
Fergie took a risk on Berba last year and it was a major flop that didnt pay off. I guess we have lost Tevez as a result also! Berba was the only striker available on the market last sumer that Fergie was interested in. If Berba stays then I cant see him playing more than a super sub role. I think Owen will be in the team ahead of him. I hope he makes me eat my words but he just has veronitis all over him and seems to slow everything down. I hope Fergie can transform him though but I aint feeling confident about that! Ibra would be much more effective without doubt but he seems like a total cnut.
Absolute tosh, never have I read so much nonsense on here. Do you really think he would have gone into the market for Berbatov out of desperation ?
Yes. He is the faster version of Berbatov with better finishing technique.
On another note, I'd kill to see the two of them in the same line up with Rooney.
we paid too much for him. he's not worth 30 million. i hope to God he proves me wrong. but i have a feeling Owen will become first choice with rooney playing just behind him in his favourite role.
Cliche time! Berbatov is a poor man's Ibrahimovic really.
Playing for Bayern Leverkusen....
Berbatov still hasnt proved he can cut it under the pressure of a genuinely massive club. And that is my point. Also if you rate the german league as on a par with the italian you are still way off.
It's nothing to do with favouring him either. It's to do with what he has done in the game and what he brings to his teams. He was the best player for Ajax and moved to Juve, he was the best at Juve and moved to Inter (scandal) where he again is the best player.
Berbatov moved to germany, played for 6 years for that team and won nothing. Why did he stay? Loyalty? he didnt show much of that when he bailed on spurs.
I'm not trying to big up Zlatan by demeaning Berbatov because i really think Berbatov can come good for United but he isn't up there with Ibrahimovic.
Also his record was better? in his first 3 season at Leverkusen he wasnt great, Ibrahimovic was Foreign player of the year in his first season at Juve and was only there for 2 seasons.
Foreign player of the year might not matter much but the list of former winners should tell you something, Kaka, Zidane, Ronaldo, Batistuta, Nedved.....
He definitely wasn't a major flop.
Some of his contributions this season:
Scored or set up 1st goal against
Liverpool
Chelsea
West Brom, twice
Celtic
Aalborg
Scored or set up winner against
Stoke
Middlesborough
Bolton
Spurs
And he did score or assist 4 goals against the big four this season in the league.
He contributed massively to us being one of the best around at keeping possession by finding space to receive the ball, and always being willing to receive the ball under pressure, and there were a few moments of magic - West Ham for one - and a few MOTM performances.
Major flop just isn't right.
If you seriously believe that then there really is no point.
Nice argument...
You think my whole post and all the points are made because i favour the guy?
Everyone has personal favourites and i rate Zlatan as one of the best in the world and quite rightly so IMO. Talking about his merits in response to you is what football debate is all about. My last post gave you an insight into why i rate him and why i rate him above Berbatov.
You choose to take the one part of my genuine argument, highlight it and fob off with a smart arsed remark.
i'll take that as an admission that you actually see i made a genuine point and had nothing worthwhile to respond.
He is a better player, and that is why it was nothing to do with favouring him.
He is a better player, I've not once said otherwise.
That's not the point I was making at all, I was never arguing about who was the better player. I was arguing about you making a big thing about Zlatan moving to a big league when he was 23, while Berbatov did the same thing when he was 19 and did well in his first then too.
I'm still surprised you think you're being objective about your favourite players when you're quite clearly not, and everyone else can see that besides you which should tell you something.
And no, not everyone has favourites. There are quite a few on here who don't have favourites, that's why the word fanboy's used so often by people who think it's stupid to have favourite players.
But yeah, go ahead, you take that as a win on your part.
We have a direct hit!. Target destroyed.
yeah and what did he do in his first few season at Leverkusen?
He managed 27 goals in 87 league games which is decent, 16 of them came in 2003-2004 and as good as the german league is it isn't at the same level as the Italian, Spanish or English.
I've always had favourites, since i was a kid. Since i watched players like Maldini and Roberto Baggio on channel 4. I see no problem with having a favourite player or players and i have a few and many i admire and respect.
It's not about winning either, you can make a childish comment like "take that as a win if you want" when actually i said maybe you saw that i made a point. It's about taking what someone says and responding to it, usually you dont come across as petty.
I still dont see how by stating a few facts about players i'm overly biased. Infact the only times i take shit for being biased is when it directly concerns a United player...
He managed 27 goals in 87 league games which is decent, 16 of them came in 2003-2004 and as good as the german league is it isn't at the same level as the Italian, Spanish or English.
I've always had favourites, since i was a kid. Since i watched players like Maldini and Roberto Baggio on channel 4. I see no problem with having a favourite player or players and i have a few and many i admire and respect.
It's not about winning either, you can make a childish comment like "take that as a win if you want" when actually i said maybe you saw that i made a point. It's about taking what someone says and responding to it, usually you dont come across as petty.
I still dont see how by stating a few facts about players i'm overly biased. Infact the only times i take shit for being biased is when it directly concerns a United player...
'You choose to take the one part of my genuine argument, highlight it and fob off with a smart arsed remark.
i'll take that as an admission that you actually see i made a genuine point and had nothing worthwhile to respond. '
I'd say I had reason to be a bit petty or childish with those comments in mind.
I'm confused here, what is the general point of this argument? That Ibrahimovic is a better player? Because there's no disagreement there.
To say he's a much better player is stretching it though, and Berbatov might've just been a bit of a late developer. He's proven in England that he's a fantastic player, worth £30m in Sir Alex's eyes. His time at Spurs was as good as anything Ibrahimovic did at Juve, and now he's got to step up again to get to the same level as Ibrahimovic has been at Inter for the past couple of years.
Yeah i took minor offense to your comment
My origional point was that at the highest level playing for one of the worlds biggest clubs he is still unproven. Ibrahimovic has proven himself at Juve and Inter that he can perform in the environment of a massive club, something not all players are cut out for.
Berbatov is now playing for an elite club in a top league whilst Zlatan has been doing so for a long time.
Again i know berbatov has only had one season and i still think he'll prove himself worth the money but right now Ibra is fairly superior.
I dont even see why it's Berbatov or Ibrahimovic, they are different players. Ibra can bully defenders, he gets in their face and he goes for goal but still has that creative side. He could link well with Berbatov and Rooney. Ibrahimovic has never had a problem with any of the strikers he has partnered, be it Del Piero, Trezeguet, Adriano, Crespo, Cruz..... he has never had a problem he isn't Gerrard/Lampard.
My origional point was that at the highest level playing for one of the worlds biggest clubs he is still unproven. Ibrahimovic has proven himself at Juve and Inter that he can perform in the environment of a massive club, something not all players are cut out for.
Berbatov is now playing for an elite club in a top league whilst Zlatan has been doing so for a long time.
Again i know berbatov has only had one season and i still think he'll prove himself worth the money but right now Ibra is fairly superior.
I dont even see why it's Berbatov or Ibrahimovic, they are different players. Ibra can bully defenders, he gets in their face and he goes for goal but still has that creative side. He could link well with Berbatov and Rooney. Ibrahimovic has never had a problem with any of the strikers he has partnered, be it Del Piero, Trezeguet, Adriano, Crespo, Cruz..... he has never had a problem he isn't Gerrard/Lampard.
My cock is out.
I'm having skin creme on it.
I'm having skin creme on it.
Ruud was deceptively quick, but he was never 'lightning quick'. Zlatan is faster, although not 'lightning' either.
IMO, in terms of pure unadulterated talent Zlatan is the best in the world. The things he can do with a football are ridiculous. But the question is, and always has been, whether he can do it consistently at the top level? He's constantly been almost there, but hasn't quite been able to take that final step in proving himself. And that seems to be the reason he wants to leave Italy, as their top clubs have obviously fallen significantly behind the four english and two Spanish clubs. He seems to want to join one of them so he can prove himself.
I'd love to have him at Utd, although it won't happen. He's basically to Berbatov what Rooney was to Tevez - a bigger, faster, stronger, more skillful version.
have we even been linked with him? whats with the wankfest???? He is quality though, but i have my reservations about pulling out my johnson.
there is nothing to even suggest its gonna happen lads, dont set yourself up for a disappointment like we suffered with benzema
there is nothing to even suggest its gonna happen lads, dont set yourself up for a disappointment like we suffered with benzema
Actually he is. Ibrahimovic is a better player than berbatov. I`m astounded you think berbatov is better.
Ibrahimovic is better by some distance. Not only in what he has achieved, but also talent-wise way better.
Comparing Berbatov and Ibra makes sense but tbh Ibra is just a much better player.Anything Berba does he can do and what he does Berba can't
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