Zlatan Ibrahimovic

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I'd like to see him on our team under SAF's guidance. I know I'll probably get slated for saying this but he would do well with us. He's got potential to be the best in the world. That said he could also flop here. He is 27 and soon peaking, but that's alike to Berba, and probably for the same price, seeing as he's rated so highly by Mourinho.
 
I'm not impressed with Berba honestly, needs more time though. I think Ibrahimovich is similar to him, yet a more rounded player
 
Apparently he's very unhappy at going out of the champions league but he hasn't really shown that on the pitch. Last week a stunning free kick and this week a delightful run, finished with a spectacular chip off his weaker foot.

If the rumours are true that Zlatan might want to leave at the end of the season he certainly wont be short of offers.
 
FranklyVulgar said:
Apparently he's very unhappy at going out of the champions league but he hasn't really shown that on the pitch. Last week a stunning free kick and this week a delightful run, finished with a spectacular chip off his weaker foot.

If the rumours are true that Zlatan might want to leave at the end of the season he certainly wont be short of offers.
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In fairness, he didn't really do much to help his team progress in the champions league did he?
 
reddev07 said:
In fairness, he didn't really do much to help his team progress in the champions league did he?
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He did what he could, i thought he was a threat in the 2nd game but United are a much better team than Inter, that was the reason more than Ibrahimovic not doing much. The only way Inter could have won was if he did it all and football isn't often like that.
 
FranklyVulgar said:
He did what he could, i thought he was a threat in the 2nd game but United are a much better team than Inter, that was the reason more than Ibrahimovic not doing much. The only way Inter could have won was if he did it all and football isn't often like that.
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You said Inter had every chance of beating United.

You can't have it both ways.
 
FranklyVulgar said:
they did have every chance but they didn't take their chances and united did take theirs. That is football.
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True, Manchester United were much better than Inter in San Siro and the tie would have been decided in the first leg if it hadn't been for an extraordinary performance by Julio Cesar but at Old Trafford the game was much more even and in all honesty I think we played an excellent first half. It is rumoured that Moratti had a rant against Ibrahimovic after the game but our president said that he was referring to the team as a whole and he didn't mean to blame a single player for our CL exit.
 
FranklyVulgar said:
they did have every chance but they didn't take their chances and united did take theirs. That is football.
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Before the Inter match you weren't saying we were a much better team than them, you were saying it was quite close.

Now you're changing that as an argument for Zlatan, which is silly.
 
FranklyVulgar said:
He did what he could, i thought he was a threat in the 2nd game but United are a much better team than Inter, that was the reason more than Ibrahimovic not doing much. The only way Inter could have won was if he did it all and football isn't often like that.
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and what about the fact he has never scored in a knockout round in the CL?
 
Brwned said:
Before the Inter match you weren't saying we were a much better team than them, you were saying it was quite close.

Now you're changing that as an argument for Zlatan, which is silly.
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United are a much better football team, they play better football, are more adventurous and have better attackers. Inter are a good side, they got a fright in the first game but in the 2nd half it was even and in the 2nd leg it was fairly even.

United are a better side but it's still close. United are a better footballing side though, no doubt.

reddev07 said:
and what about the fact he has never scored in a knockout round in the CL?
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Circumstance, injury, teams, luck.

Many factors, maybe i'm just making excuses for him because he's one of my favourite players but i don't think it's to do with him being a big time bottler. For a start he played for Ajax who werent very likely to do great things. At Juve i can't remember who he played against apart from Liverpool, the ultimate euro spoilers. He was badly out of form that season due to his bulk. He was made to do alot of gym work but he over did it and wasn't as athletic which is a part of his game.

Then the inter game against Liverpool i thought he did alright, missed a chance but created their best chances, Inter had 10 men for about 120 mins of a 180 min tie, not ideal.

Then United, the best defence in europe, he hit the bar and generally played well in the 2nd leg, he was unlucky. I wouldnt fault Ibrahimovic for Inter not being good enough in europe.
 
FranklyVulgar said:
United are a much better football team, they play better football, are more adventurous and have better attackers. Inter are a good side, they got a fright in the first game but in the 2nd half it was even and in the 2nd leg it was fairly even.

United are a better side but it's still close. United are a better footballing side though, no doubt.
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I'm confused.

So even though we're a much better team, the difference between the teams is still close.

Does that not slightly contradict each other?
 
Brwned said:
I'm confused.

So even though we're a much better team, the difference between the teams is still close.

Does that not slightly contradict each other?
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I was meaning based on the football they play, a better footballing team. I'd say Roma are a better footballing team than inter but not a better team.

I'd say United are a better footballing team but it's quite close. I mean the game was quite close i don't think Inter were particularly ashamed, i genuinely don't think any of the Italian teams were disgraced by their english counterparts.
 
Well then why does it matter who's the better footballing team?

You previously never mentioned being a better footballing team, you just said " United are a much better team than Inter" whereas previously you had said there's not much between them, and now you're saying there's not much between them.

Confusing.
 
Brwned said:
Well then why does it matter who's the better footballing team?

You previously never mentioned being a better footballing team, you just said " United are a much better team than Inter" whereas previously you had said there's not much between them, and now you're saying there's not much between them.

Confusing.
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UNited have a better squad, better players and play better football. They are a better team, i think from the 2 games it was evident in the first leg that United were the much better team, on the whole i don't think there is that much in it but United are a better team...
 
Righto.

I think it was made pretty clear that United were considerably better than Inter, as I'd said all along, but whatever.
 
They were alright, we rarely got out of second gear.

When we did, in the first half of the San Siro, we showed we're much better.

Inter don't have that higher level to go to. They were on first gear in the first half of the first leg and then stayed on second gear for the rest of it.
 
He thinks he is much better than he is.

Excellent player but he can start by scoring in the knockout rounds of the champions league. That might get him the recognition he craves
 
FranklyVulgar said:
Yeah because scoring a goal in the knockout phase will imediately elevate him into a bracket of greatness....
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No, but it can show he can do it on the biggest stage which he has yet to show and considering he is 27,he really should be doing by now. If he leaves Inter, and goes to a better team and still doesn't do it on the biggest stage, the excuses are going to run out
 
reddev07 said:
No, but it can show he can do it on the biggest stage which he has yet to show and considering he is 27,he really should be doing by now. If he leaves Inter, and goes to a better team and still doesn't do it on the biggest stage, the excuses are going to run out
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So it's the last 16, Inter get drawn against a team from a shit league, SPL, Portuguese, Scandinavian and he bangs in a couple, that'll shut you up?

didn't think so.
 
FranklyVulgar said:
So it's the last 16, Inter get drawn against a team from a shit league, SPL, Portuguese, Scandinavian and he bangs in a couple, that'll shut you up?

didn't think so.
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No. Half decent opposition. But he doesn't have the reputation for going missing in big games for nothing. Lots of other players have had it but managed to shut their critics up. Ibra has not and I question whether he ever will
 
reddev07 said:
No. Half decent opposition. But he doesn't have the reputation for going missing in big games for nothing. Lots of other players have had it but managed to shut their critics up. Ibra has not and I question whether he ever will
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He's scored against Real Madrid, Inter, Roma, Spain, Italy, everyone in italy bar Juve so far....

he'll shut them up, i'm confident of that.
 
FranklyVulgar said:
Good, i'm happy for you. Prepare for humble pie when the time comes.
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He is 27 years old yes? and after scoring against all those teams that you happily pointed out, he still gets accused (and its not exactly a fading minority) of being a big game bottler. Unless he seriously ups his performances in the big games, its a tag he will never shake of
 
reddev07 said:
He is 27 years old yes? and after scoring against all those teams that you happily pointed out, he still gets accused (and its not exactly a fading minority) of being a big game bottler. Unless he seriously ups his performances in the big games, its a tag he will never shake of
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Fully understandable but circumstance plays a massive part in his short comings.

I think in the 2nd leg against United he showed he was capable and on another day he'd have scored, he was very unlucky with that header and only had one other half chance. He also was the most creative player and if someone had finished a chance he created just like in the tie against Liverpool then people wouldnt be making noises about him half as much but they'll ignore these facts and continue to tag a player as a bottler. He is blamed because he is a big name but the team is more important in football. If you expect him to rip world class defenses apart single handed then fair enough but i only think Messi is capable of that.
 
FranklyVulgar said:
Fully understandable but circumstance plays a massive part in his short comings.

I think in the 2nd leg against United he showed he was capable and on another day he'd have scored, he was very unlucky with that header and only had one other half chance. He also was the most creative player and if someone had finished a chance he created just like in the tie against Liverpool then people wouldnt be making noises about him half as much but they'll ignore these facts and continue to tag a player as a bottler. He is blamed because he is a big name but the team is more important in football. If you expect him to rip world class defenses apart single handed then fair enough but i only think Messi is capable of that.
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Really? You're easily impressed then.
 
Spoony said:
Really? You're easily impressed then.
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It's popular in england to deride him, i watched the game with a bunch of neutrals and it was about even for who thought he was good and who thought he was bad, every time he did something shit the people who were out to get him would bring it up, whenever he did something good nothing is said. His link up and hold up play in that game was brilliant, he created a great chance for Stankovic and generally ripped o-shea and Ferdinand (in my opinion the best in the game) for the majority of the match.

He was unlucky, he headed down like you should but got too much on it and it kicked up and onto the bar, that is marginal and unfortunate for him but generally i thought his play was good and he didn't deserve to be single out for redicule in what i thought was a fairly even contest. Even in the first leg he played his part in the best chances for Inter despite having a very average game.
 
FranklyVulgar said:
It's popular in england to deride him, i watched the game with a bunch of neutrals and it was about even for who thought he was good and who thought he was bad, every time he did something shit the people who were out to get him would bring it up, whenever he did something good nothing is said. His link up and hold up play in that game was brilliant, he created a great chance for Stankovic and generally ripped o-shea and Ferdinand (in my opinion the best in the game) for the majority of the match.

He was unlucky, he headed down like you should but got too much on it and it kicked up and onto the bar, that is marginal and unfortunate for him but generally i thought his play was good and he didn't deserve to be single out for redicule in what i thought was a fairly even contest. Even in the first leg he played his part in the best chances for Inter despite having a very average game.
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Not really. I've alwys thought he was immensely talented. But what I saw against United was anything but.
 
Spoony said:
Not really. I've alwys thought he was immensely talented. But what I saw against United was anything but.
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Come on, he had Rio in his back pocket, he had no-one to link up with but constantly held it up long enough to bring others into play. What about the volley stankovic his narrowly wide? before that a 40 yard pass was chested down by ibrahimovic then back heeled into his path to get the shot on goal. At times his link up was breathtaking and even Andy (hates anything outside the EPL) Gray was complimentary.

Also i'm not accusing you personally of deriding him but you can't argue that to slate Ibra is a popular thing in the press and amoungst fans in england.
 
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