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[stevoc]

RVP didn't, you can make a player feck off if you want. Or at least loan for part of his wages.

Umm well yeah that's exactly the point that you seem to have missed mate. RVP only had one year left so we let him go for a small fee to help Fenerbache make up his wages.

We can't or won't do that with Rooney with 3 years left on his contract.

Basically tell the fecker he has ZERO chance of games next season, he will soon find another club

How likely do you actually think scenario is mate?

The thought that we would tell the club captain to feck off or he won't play really come on.

 

[dichinero]

We should be going for Zlatan at the expense of Rooney and LvG if need be. Zlatan is generally unlocked by who? The opposition but one thing you cannot fault this guys is his desire to fight for what he takes a liking to. If he comes to United, he is obliged by his ego to fight for name and that means fighting for his team. Hardly would you hear his team mates speak ill of him. What United are lacking is a leader who has the gumption to challenge the manager, and that includes the so called assistant Giggs. The guys works hard and he is a great personality for the young players to have around.

Ask yourself, would you rather have Rashford, Martial, Memphis, Adnan, Januzaj, Wilson all learn off Zlatan or Rooney even if it for a year?

 

[Revan]

Then don't give him a 5 year deal, you know 1 year with an option to extend for 1 may just be ok.
I can't really think of many strikers of his level that would be attainable, and we also have Martial and Rashford and also Wilson to develop

From all reports, Ibra is seeking a two year contract. So even if he plays very well in the first year, and just decent (because he would be declining) in the second, it would be still worth it.

Obviously, giving him a longer contract than that would be madness.

 

[Attila]

My problem isn't with how much he's being paid specifically, it's with how much we are potentially going to pay a 35 year old striker.

All players decline eventually, some do so rapidly like RVP. One season they are one of the best in europe 12-18 months later they are finished. Ibrahimovic won't be immune to this fact of life despite many people's wishful thinking.

Physically he looks fantastic and I think hes fine for another year or two. Doesn't seem like a guy who will sit on the bench when he's finished either and will probably leave for the MLS when he is

 

[stevoc]

Then don't give him a 5 year deal, you know 1 year with an option to extend for 1 may just be ok.
I can't really think of many strikers of his level that would be attainable, and we also have Martial and Rashford and also Wilson to develop

Obviously he won't be getting a 5 year deal. But even a 12 month contract is a huge outlay and a massive risk. He could come here and not be what we hoped and perform poorly. So theres another huge chunk of money down the drain on a big name, really we should be looking to invest the money from any potential Ibrahimovic deal into a younger prospect.

 

[GifLord]

His signing on fee will be around 5-6mio if not even more + there's the agent's fee around 2-3mio + a yearly salary of around 6mio GBP

now imagine if we sign him and he does s..t ala Falcao mark 2?

 

[Revan]

Obviously he won't be getting a 5 year deal. But even a 12 month contract is a huge outlay and a massive risk. He could come here and not be what we hoped and perform poorly. So theres another huge chunk of money down the drain on a big name, really we should be looking to invest the money from any potential Ibrahimovic deal into a younger prospect.

We did that in Martial

The best teams have a mix of leadership/experience and youth. Ibra would provide the first one.

 

[stevoc]

Physically he looks fantastic and I think hes fine for another year or two. Doesn't seem like a guy who will sit on the bench when he's finished either and will probably leave for the MLS when he is

Yeah i thought the same about RVP in 2013. It can be very hard to predict when a player will decline, even a player who's played most of his career in the Premier League like RVP let alone an older one who's never played there.

 

[stevoc]

We did that in Martial

The best teams have a mix of leadership/experience and youth. Ibra would provide the first one.

Yeah great lets do it again then and buy players who will be stars in 3-4 years time who we can build a team around.

Instead of a guy who's best years are behind him.

 

[Revan]

His signing on fee will be around 5-6mio if not even more + there's the agent's fee around 2-3mio + a yearly salary of around 6mio GBP

now imagine if we sign him and he does s..t ala Falcao mark 2?

Imagine if Martial turned out to be Macheda mark 2! It would have been far more costly.

Falcao had suffered an horrible injury and looked shit for Monaco after he returned from injury. Ibra looks as good as ever, and is still easily a top 10 attacking player in the world. Sure, he might flop, but that is quite unlikely.

 

[gza the genius]

Don't care. No matter who the manager is someone declaring they'll only sign if he's sacked is a massive bell-end.

We should of course sack Van Gaal and tell big 'ead to do one. He's only using us for a pay day anyway.

What is so wrong about him saying he doesn't want to play for LVG? He has before and apparently was not a fan, if someone asks him the question what is he supposed to say? I'm positive if LVG does stay we'll have plenty more players staying away for the same reason.

 

[Zoo]

Yeah i thought the same about RVP in 2013. It can be very hard to predict when a player will decline, even a player who's played most of his career in the Premier League like RVP let alone an older one who's never played there.

Van Persie was affected by Ferguson leaving, seemed to down tools under Moyes and never recovered.

 

[Revan]

Yeah great lets do it again then and buy players who will be stars in 3-4 years time who we can build a team around.

Instead of a guy who's best years are behind him.

You cannot win anything with kids. And I am dead serious on that.

Even the United team full of kids which won the title, in reality was a mixed team with some experienced players there. This team has no leader (bar Rooney who is shit, Schweinsteiger who is injured and Carrick who is half-retired). We need young players, but we also need proven quality and experienced players.

 

[dannyrhinos89]

It's laugahble people don't want want zlatan near our club, they obviously don't know or understand anything about football, they will soon come around though when he's banged in 20 goals next season.

He will immediately be the best player in our club and ed will love the shirt sales he brings.

 

[bosnian_red]

Actually the perfect signing for us up top. A world class player, one of the best strikers in the world after Lewandowski and Suarez, incredibly talented, can bully any defence, creative, a winning attitude, and can guide our younger players around him. Also would only be here for a couple of years as a free while Martial develops and then moves into the main striker role and other younger wingers develop more like Memphis/Januzaj (here's hoping). That star quality we need in attack who can score 30+ goals a season (our current leading goalscorer in the league has like 7 goals.. That's awful).

You're absolutely crazy if you say you don't want him, especially when you consider that we currently use Rashford every game up top, and if it's not him, it's Rooney who is clearly not that good up top anymore. While Ibrahimovic would walk into any team in the world apart from Barcelona and Bayern.

People comparing it to Falcao are way off the mark. Falcao was never as talented as Ibrahimovic or never as good at his best, and always relied a lot more on his athleticism while Ibrahimovic is incredibly fit despite his age while never being one to rely on his fitness for his quality. Also Falcao came off knee surgery and that's why he wasn't good. A better comparison is RvP in the season Fergie bought him. Only on a free.

 

[Cassidy]

Actually the perfect signing for us up top. A world class player, one of the best strikers in the world after Lewandowski and Suarez, incredibly talented, can bully any defence, creative, a winning attitude, and can guide our younger players around him. Also would only be here for a couple of years as a free while Martial develops and then moves into the main striker role and other younger wingers develop more like Memphis/Januzaj (here's hoping). That star quality we need in attack who can score 30+ goals a season (our current leading goalscorer in the league has like 7 goals.. That's awful).

You're absolutely crazy if you say you don't want him, especially when you consider that we currently use Rashford every game up top, and if it's not him, it's Rooney who is clearly not that good up top anymore. While Ibrahimovic would walk into any team in the world apart from Barcelona and Bayern.

People comparing it to Falcao are way off the mark. Falcao was never as talented as Ibrahimovic or never as good at his best, and always relied a lot more on his athleticism while Ibrahimovic is incredibly fit despite his age while never being one to rely on his fitness for his quality. Also Falcao came off knee surgery and that's why he wasn't good. A better comparison is RvP in the season Fergie bought him. Only on a free.

And without the persistent injury record.

 

[Attila]

Yeah i thought the same about RVP in 2013. It can be very hard to predict when a player will decline, even a player who's played most of his career in the Premier League like RVP let alone an older one who's never played there.

Its hard to predict how any transfer will do. Just look at Depay, Darmian, Rojo, Schneiderlin, schwein etc

All different reputations and profiles and all flops in their own way

 

[bosnian_red]

It's laugahble people don't want want zlatan near our club, they obviously don't know or understand anything about football, they will soon come around though when he's banged in 20 goals next season.

He will immediately be the best player in our club and ed will love the shirt sales he brings.

Also the best in the league. People on here have year after year underrated Ibrahimovic just because he never moved to the premier league (even though he has one of the best goalscoring records and trophy records possible). Even after he banged 4 past England there were a lot who still doubted the guy. He's absolutely one of the best players in the world now and over the past 10 years. He's only got better with his age and the last 2 years have probably been his best and most complete/consistent in his career. Not only will he be that tank we need up top, but he'll also be a huge creative force for Martial and whoever we get on the right to run in behind. The only signings we could make to be our striker that would be better then him would be Lewandowski (impossible), Suarez (yeah right), or Messi. Aguero isn't as good as he is, but obviously that's also impossible. There isn't anyone else on his level as a striker. And he is on a free ffs. It's a no brainer.

 

[Revan]

Actually the perfect signing for us up top. A world class player, one of the best strikers in the world after Lewandowski and Suarez, incredibly talented, can bully any defence, creative, a winning attitude, and can guide our younger players around him. Also would only be here for a couple of years as a free while Martial develops and then moves into the main striker role and other younger wingers develop more like Memphis/Januzaj (here's hoping). That star quality we need in attack who can score 30+ goals a season (our current leading goalscorer in the league has like 7 goals.. That's awful).

You're absolutely crazy if you say you don't want him, especially when you consider that we currently use Rashford every game up top, and if it's not him, it's Rooney who is clearly not that good up top anymore. While Ibrahimovic would walk into any team in the world apart from Barcelona and Bayern.

People comparing it to Falcao are way off the mark. Falcao was never as talented as Ibrahimovic or never as good at his best, and always relied a lot more on his athleticism while Ibrahimovic is incredibly fit despite his age while never being one to rely on his fitness for his quality. Also Falcao came off knee surgery and that's why he wasn't good. A better comparison is RvP in the season Fergie bought him. Only on a free.

Agree with this post, but completely disagree with the bold part. While not as talented, Falcao at his best was IMO a better player than Ibra at his best. He was easily the best striker in the world after Ronaldo/Messi, something that Ibra hasn't ever been.

 

[Hed Zitin]

I can see many players turning their noses at the thought of playing for LvG. Especially if they're an attacking player.

 

[bosnian_red]

And without the persistent injury record.

RvP in 2011/12 and 12/13 was injury free though and his two best seasons so I'm more comparing to that. After Fergie left he basically lost motivation so that part isn't really comparable. But the point stands, we don't need another young up and coming player in attack. We need the finished article. We need someone who can pick up the slack when it's not going well and score out of nothing. We need someone who can do that right now and for a couple of years until our younger players develop.
Why the hell do people want more young players when we have Martial, Memphis, Januzaj, Pereira, Rashford, Lingard, all as very young players who have a lot of potential (well most of them)? It makes no sense. We're never going to win anything if all we have is u21 players playing. It's part of the reason why we've been so inconsistent. You need a world class player to take the pressure off them and be the main man to encourage the others to play better. Just look at Coman at Bayern how good he plays. There's no expectation for him to carry the team because there are others there. Martial struggles more because he is literally our only good player in attack right now.

 

[dichinero]

Why are people talking about his fitness. The guy is super fit! Rooney WILL never be as fit as this guy is, right now. Zlatan is a professional and he looks after himself well and has an imposing stature to match. His physical condition will not be an issue.

 

[MyOnlySolskjaer]

People acting as if we're signing Terry or Gerrard on a free ffs.

 

[bosnian_red]

Agree with this post, but completely disagree with the bold part. While not as talented, Falcao at his best was IMO a better player than Ibra at his best. He was easily the best striker in the world after Ronaldo/Messi, something that Ibra hasn't ever been.

Over the course of their best seasons I don't think there was anything between them, but I mean in terms of the individual level Ibra can leave in a one off game compared to Falcao. Falcao never had Ibra's talent on the ball or that ability to dribble past players too consistently, along with bullying defences to Ibra's extent with his power.

 

[LuisNaniencia]

Agree with this post, but completely disagree with the bold part. While not as talented, Falcao at his best was IMO a better player than Ibra at his best. He was easily the best striker in the world after Ronaldo/Messi, something that Ibra hasn't ever been.

I remember watching a YouTube video of him when we had signed him and he scored some unreal goals at Athletico. Very talented but let down by his body in the end.

 

[bosnian_red]

People acting as if we're signing Terry or Gerrard on a free ffs.

This thread is basically the perfect thread where you can see who has actually watched the guy more then a handful of times and who just bases their opinions on not liking the guy and saying "he's old" despite that meaning next to nothing in his case.

 

[bucky]

I dont want Zlatan either

Next season is going to be a tough one for me if Jose and Zlatan are both at Utd

I have real dislike for both of them

Out of curiosity then, who do you want?

 

[gza the genius]

Its hard to predict how any transfer will do. Just look at Depay, Darmian, Rojo, Schneiderlin, schwein etc

All different reputations and profiles and all flops in their own way

One common link between all of them as well... I really am not going to judge most of our players under LVG as almost everyone has been terrible bar Dave.

 

[Revan]

Over the course of their best seasons I don't think there was anything between them, but I mean in terms of the individual level Ibra can leave in a one off game compared to Falcao. Falcao never had Ibra's talent on the ball or that ability to dribble past players too consistently, along with bullying defences to Ibra's extent with his power.

As I said, Ibra was the more talented player, but Falcao was just unreal at his best. He was the best attacker in the world after RoMessi, something that I doubt can be said for Ibra. Anyway, it is a purely pedantic debate cause there hasn't been much difference in their quality.

I never liked Ibra because of his character and how he is a big match flop (not in the level of Higuain/Cavani but still), but it makes perfect sense to sign him now considering that we desperately need a proven striker, he is on free, and we won't have UCL matches next season. For what is worth, Ibra is decent in big matches in the league, but he usually failed in UCL (for example, he scored the first goals in KO stage only in 2010).

About him being old, I think that is a non-issue considering that he is extremely fit. In addition, he hasn't ever been better than in the last couple of years, so even if he declines, he won't decline that fast. He could also knock out our opponents if needed (our players are too soft, and Ibra will fix it by bullying the defenses).

 

[bosnian_red]

As I said, Ibra was the more talented player, but Falcao was just unreal at his best. He was the best attacker in the world after RoMessi, something that I doubt can be said for Ibra. Anyway, it is a purely pedantic debate cause there hasn't been much difference in their quality.

I never liked Ibra because of his character and how he is a big match flop (not in the level of Higuain/Cavani but still), but it makes perfect sense to sign him now considering that we desperately need a proven striker, he is on free, and we won't have UCL matches next season. For what is worth, Ibra is decent in big matches in the league, but he usually failed in UCL (for example, he scored the first goals in KO stage only in 2010).

About him being old, I think that is a non-issue considering that he is extremely fit. In addition, he hasn't ever been better than in the last couple of years, so even if he declines, he won't decline that fast. He could also knock out our opponents if needed (our players are too soft, and Ibra will fix it by bullying the defenses).

Yeah. The only thing against him is his record in big matches, but often times he doesn't even play that bad and still has an impact. Mourinho's great record in big games would offset that anyway. We have one of the best records in big games anyways with LvG and our current side, it's in all the other games where we struggle in and he would more then fix that. Also having him as the focal point that Martial and the players around him can link up with is basically perfect for Mourinho and our current side.

 

[AngeloHenriquez]

Didnt Maureen want him 2/3 years ago for Chelsea?

 

[Bobcat]

It's laugahble people don't want want zlatan near our club, they obviously don't know or understand anything about football, they will soon come around though when he's banged in 20 goals next season.

He will immediately be the best player in our club and ed will love the shirt sales he brings.

This

He might be old, but i think people forget just how fecking good he is. Besides, hes a free agent and we lack (quality) experience up top. Not having a pop at him would be stupid

 

[Bojan11]

Ibrahimovic has never been about pace. If someone like Giroud can score 15-20 goals then Ibra can easily top that.

RVP was in decline because he lost that burst of pace which allowed him that extra space and he was injury prone. He was never good at holding the ball like Ibrahimovic. The same goes for Falcao.

One thing we lacked since Fergie left is putting crosses in the box and a threat for opponents. Ibra would be that threat instantly.

 

[Cassidy]

Ibrahimovic has never been about pace. If someone like Giroud can score 15-20 goals then Ibra can easily top that.

RVP was in decline because he lost that burst of pace which allowed him that extra space and he was injury prone. He was never good at holding the ball like Ibrahimovic. The same goes for Falcao.

One thing we lacked since Fergie left is putting crosses in the box and a threat for opponents. Ibra would be that threat instantly.

Not as good but he was bloody good at it

 

[Wednesday at Stoke]

I'd bring him in just to add a bit of swagger, leadership and attitude to that dressing room. God knows we desperately lack those things right now. It helps that he is still fit as hell and Woody would love to shift a few million jerseys in China and India.

 

[izec]

Yes please, not just quality on the pitch and plenty of character, but banter too our players all got sucked out the joy from Aloysius, Ibra will bring it back

 

[LuisNaniencia]

So he'll only come if LVG goes. 2 birds 1 stone.

 

[JB08]

Mourinho as manager, and a front 3 of:

--------Ibrahimovic
Martial------------Griezmann

I can dream

 

[NJM78]

As touched upon in previous posts his commercial appeal would be huge, Zlatan love him or hate him is like the player version of Mourinho, both have serious talent and stats to back up their egos and are known throughout the football world.
I think although he'd be on some huge wages the outlay could be paid back in shirt sales (I guarantee he'll be straight in the top 5 player shirt sales in world football if he joins us) plus add other commercial revenue to that but the biggest plus would be we'd have one of the best strikers on the planet leading our line despite his age.

 

[NJM78]

Mourinho as manager, and a front 3 of:

--------Ibrahimovic
Martial------------Griezmann

I can dream

You share my dream!