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He is waiting for the France job.
Won 3 CLs on the trot and a couple la ligas in the space of what, 5 years and he isn't a top managerAs much as I loved him as a player he is not a top manager. Real gave him a job to be a coordinator of superstars such as himself because they knew he would be respected. His limitations would be obvious in any other team
NoWould you guys take him over Ten Hag?
Won 3 CLs on the trot and a couple la ligas in the space of what, 5 years and he isn't a top manager
Most managers would kill for accolades he's won over their entire careers and he's done it in a few seasons. You don't win 3 on the trot by just having good players or luck.
Thats right mate. He got an instant squad and managers like SAF, Jose, Klopp and even Wenger( despite not having a CL) got there by merit. There is a reason he is not taking jobs currently. It is because he knows he would be foud out in any other team (every team except maybe City or Psg) that has a weaker squad than Real. CLs are not the only virtue in comparing top managers.Won 3 CLs on the trot and a couple la ligas in the space of what, 5 years and he isn't a top manager
Most managers would kill for accolades he's won over their entire careers and he's done it in a few seasons. You don't win 3 on the trot by just having good players or luck.
Yeah, I think it's fair to say that he is an excellent manager for an existing strong squad, but we know very little about his ability to assemble and evolve a squad, that's the big question about him.Thats right mate. He got an instant squad and managers like SAF, Jose, Klopp and even Wenger( despite not having a CL) got there by merit. There is a reason he is not taking jobs currently. It is because he knows he would be foud out in any other team (every team except maybe City or Psg) that has a weaker squad than Real. CLs are not the only virtue in comparing top managers.
Yeah, I think it's fair to say that he is an excellent manager for an existing strong squad, but we know very little about his ability to assemble and evolve a squad, that's the big question about him.
The post I responded to already mentioned some: SAF, Klopp, Wenger, you can also mention Pep here as another current top manager and there are other examples of lower profile as well who stay long term and oversee the evolution of their team.Almost no manager assemble or evolve squads, it's not their job and they don't stay long enough in clubs to do it. What we do know about Zidane is that unlike almost any other current manager not named Ancelotti, he can win while using two different approaches because that's what he has done with Madrid.
The post I responded to already mentioned some: SAF, Klopp, Wenger, you can also mention Pep here as another current top manager and there are other examples of lower profile as well who stay long term and oversee the evolution of their team.
And when we talk about GOAT manager candidates almost all of them did this. You are right that not everyone does it, but those who don't are generally seen a tier below those who do and have success while doing it.
All good points, and I disagree with none.That's four managers out of hundreds, two of them being retired for a while. And the point here is about top level Football, Wenger has zero CLs despite having some of the best squads of the 2000s., Klopp has 1 CL and 1 league title in the past 7 years despite having one of the best squad in Europe for a while. Guardiola has to be a joke, not only he had a similar start to his career to Zidane but he has failed to win a CL outside of Barcelona despite being a massive spender, he also joined top teams that were largely built.
Because Zidane has only managed for 5 seasons, I could understand questions about his ability has a manager, though he was part of the backroom team that built the successful Real Madrid that he eventually managed. But it is asinine to act as if building teams is a normal occurrence at top level, most clubs have DOFs that are in charge of that process which is the case for both Klopp and Guardiola, we also know that managers don't stay long enough in clubs to actually build or rebuild at the top level and none of the one that have been in that position have been as successful as Zidane during a 5 season stretch.
All good points, and I disagree with none.
None of them should have a claim to be the GOAT, but Zidane might get there. Guardiola, Klopp, Wenger all have their flaws that prevent them getting that title, Zidane is still an unknown in that regard for me. He didn't have the opportunity yet to prove himself in what I think is missing, while the others have proven flaws.
Every football forum has it’s quirks.The idea that Zidane isn't taking jobs because he's afraid of being found out is completely laughable.
Managers are not really responsible for assembling and evolving a squad, not in the modern era.we know very little about his ability to assemble and evolve a squad, that's the big question about him.
Cannot think of a better fit for the French national team. He's going to win some serious silverware with them
Might be because we actually had a manager who was better. Klopp/Pep are constantly being compared to him. And neither have come close to that kind of longevity.Every football forum has it’s quirks. Arsenal-Mania is constantly in civil war. RAWK is moderated like a cult Glory-Glory is full of anti-Spurs conspiracy theories. And only on RedCafe are Guardiola / Klopp / Zidane (and, of course, Messi) frequently accused of being overrated frauds.
But he is a fantastic coordinator, in the same way that Ancelotti is too.As much as I loved him as a player he is not a top manager. Real gave him a job to be a coordinator of superstars such as himself because they knew he would be respected. His limitations would be obvious in any other team
Sure. Though it’s literally impossible to match the longevity of someone who’s retired midway through your career - but kinda I take your point.Might be because we actually had a manager who was better. Klopp/Pep are constantly being compared to him. And neither have come close to that kind of longevity.
would like to see him at Chelsea. get all the greats in England
Linked to Juventus following the news that Deschamps will probably negotiate an extension to 2026
His public image has also taken a hit given he's being treated as Deschamps's rival for the job and the vast majority of French people do not want Deschamps to resign
And he surely is not winning a popularity contest with Deschamps after two back to back finals
All of that is also interesting when you consider Romain Molina said Zidane and Deschamps do not like each other at all and their respective agents literally hate each other which is an even bigger motivation for Deschamps not to resign and keep Zidane out of the french NT job
For those who are aware of the racial politics in France, it was never a definite that he would become the NT manager.
It will be very difficult for them to swallow their pride enough to appoint a foreigner.Guess it will be Brazil then.
Deschamps has the job he wants.Whats the rift between him and Deschamps?
Every football forum has it’s quirks.
Arsenal-Mania is constantly in civil war.
RAWK is moderated like a cult
Glory-Glory is full of anti-Spurs conspiracy theories.
And only on RedCafe are Guardiola / Klopp / Zidane (and, of course, Messi) frequently accused of being overrated frauds.
I’ve lurked on here for years and only became a member in 2022. I think there are many knowledgeable posters here with interesting opinions. But I do find this particular trait fascinating.The caf is an interesting place like that. Almost everyone related to football has been called an overrated fraud on here.
If you look past the football discussions, in any discussion about videogames, anime, movies etc., you will find the same theme there as well, that everything is called crap or overrated.
Maybe the quirk of the Caf is that people just don't like anything and nothing is actually good