Yohan Cabaye

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Would definitely take him here as a squad option but considering he's seemingly unhappy at PSG due to not being a first team player it'd be a bit pointless him coming here to be in the same situation. Doubt there's any truth to it either way, just one of the usual links that seems to come up every window.
 
Would make a lot of sense, I know we were looking at him before he was tempted back to PSG.

Bit tougher in the tackle than Blind but equally good passer, great set piece player too.
 
Um.. don't we already have a player of his ilk in Herrera who can't find games now? Unless we plan to move Herrera into the #10 spot I'd be hesitant to add a CM knowing fully well that we'd be in for Strootman sooner than later.
 
Wednesday at Stoke said:
Um.. don't we already have a player of his ilk in Herrera who can't find games now? Unless we plan to move Herrera into the #10 spot I'd be hesitant to add a CM knowing fully well that we'd be in for Strootman sooner than later.
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Nobody is quite sure what Herrera is yet. He seems a decent all rounder from CM but I don't think he has the strength or tackling ability to play the holding role, Cabaye has already showed at Newcastle that he does.
 
Manucho the boss said:
Nobody is quite sure what Herrera is yet. He seems a decent all rounder from CM but I don't think he has the strength or tackling ability to play the holding role, Cabaye has already showed at Newcastle that he does.
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Cabaye is not a holding midfielder and we already have 2 of those in Blind/Carrick. What we do need is more dynamic players and having invested in 56 mil between Herrera and Fellaini you might as well give them a chance, not to mention our record signing looking better as a left sided CM as well. We'll likely buy Strootman, having depth is well and good if we play 4 competitions but we don't have that.
 
Makes more sense in the summer if we make the CL, sell Fellaini and use the cash to buy Cabaye, who can then rotate/compete with Di Maria and Herrera as CM's and all 3 can play together at times with Di Maria wider or Herrera a bit further forward.
 
Manucho the boss said:
Nobody is quite sure what Herrera is yet. He seems a decent all rounder from CM but I don't think he has the strength or tackling ability to play the holding role, Cabaye has already showed at Newcastle that he does.
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He has never played as a holding midfielder at Newcastle. Actually, he played many games at #10 for them.
 
considering his role and his style, the fact that he is 29 is not a problem, he could give us 3 or 4 years. It depends on how much is he gonna cost.
If he is cheaper than Schneiderlin he could be a good option, with Strootman.
 
Kag said:
He has never played as a holding midfielder at Newcastle. Actually, he played many games at #10 for them.
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He did play very well as a holding midfielder for France in the WC in fairness.
 
Who's suggested this? Can't see the point, with Blind doing such a good job in the deeper role (and Carrick providing good competition for him) and Herrera and Di Maria to fit into more attacking CM positions.
 
Brightonian said:
Who's suggested this? Can't see the point, with Blind doing such a good job in the deeper role (and Carrick providing good competition for him) and Herrera and Di Maria to fit into more attacking CM positions.
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I'd say depth and preparing life without Carrick. Obviously the price is the key.
 
Kag said:
He has never played as a holding midfielder at Newcastle. Actually, he played many games at #10 for them.
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Not a holding midfielder but he played deep for them on plenty of occasions. Moreso than he played as a number 10. When Ba and Cisse were there together, Pardew was playing some awful hoofball football and the games often bypassed the midfield altogether.
 
JPRouve said:
I'd say depth and preparing life without Carrick. Obviously the price is the key.
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The price would be way too much for a 29-year-old playing in a position where we're doing relatively ok. We can fill all three 'age groups' for that position: Carrick the experienced back-up, Blind who has done a brilliant job of stepping into his shoes, and young Ben Pearson as the promising youth prospect. Fletcher also offers decent cover there.

Compare our clusterfeck CB situation, or our total lack of proper back-up for Rafael. Buying Cabaye would be a waste of money that could be much better spent elsewhere.
 
Brightonian said:
The price would be way too much for a 29-year-old playing in a position where we're doing relatively ok. We can fill all three 'age groups' for that position: Carrick the experienced back-up, Blind who has done a brilliant job of stepping into his shoes, and young Ben Pearson as the promising youth prospect. Fletcher also offers decent cover there.

Compare our clusterfeck CB situation, or our total lack of proper back-up for Rafael. Buying Cabaye would be a waste of money that could be much better spent elsewhere.
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Our problems in defense aren't relevant, we need one more CM and obviously one CB, one RB and one Winger. At the moment we shouldn't prioritize but take the players when the opportunity present itself.
We need to play the same game than all the other big clubs, they purchase player when they can and not necessarily in positions where they absolutely need improvement.
 
Brightonian said:
The price would be way too much for a 29-year-old playing in a position where we're doing relatively ok. We can fill all three 'age groups' for that position: Carrick the experienced back-up, Blind who has done a brilliant job of stepping into his shoes, and young Ben Pearson as the promising youth prospect. Fletcher also offers decent cover there.

Compare our clusterfeck CB situation, or our total lack of proper back-up for Rafael. Buying Cabaye would be a waste of money that could be much better spent elsewhere.
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I wouldn't spend more than £10-15M on Cabaye but I don't agree that Fletcher offers anything these days and there is zero sign that LvG sees anything in Pearson at the moment, so I wouldn't say we are sorted in CM either, especially with Carrick turning 34 at the start of next season.
 
Robbie Boy said:
Not a holding midfielder but he played deep for them on plenty of occasions. Moreso than he played as a number 10. When Ba and Cisse were there together, Pardew was playing some awful hoofball football and the games often bypassed the midfield altogether.
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He did, yeah, but Tiote was the more defensive player and Cabaye would sit just in front of him dictating the play. In Newcastle's 5th placed season he played a lot at #10, too.

Really, what I'm getting at is that I wouldn't want him playing where Blind plays now. If he did that well at the World Cup, as Brwned says, then fair enough, I didn't catch that. Personally, I'd rather go for somebody like Schneiderlin ultimately.
 
JPRouve said:
Our problems in defense aren't relevant, we need one more CM and obviously one CB, one RB and one Winger. At the moment we shouldn't prioritize but take the players when the opportunity present itself.
We need to play the same game than all the other big clubs, they purchase player when they can and not necessarily in positions where they absolutely need improvement.
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No, some big clubs do that and some don't. Madrid, for example, bought James this season despite not really needing him, offloading Di Maria to make room. They did the same thing with Kroos and Alonso. They now look a significantly worse team.

Chelsea, on the other hand, bought exactly the players they needed this summer. A top creative CM, a top striker and a good LB. As a result, they're smashing it.

We absolutely do need to prioritise, and CDM should be very low on our list. Especially when we're talking about a 29-year old who would be very expensive and is hardly a world-beater.
 
Devil may care said:
I wouldn't spend more than £10-15M on Cabaye but I don't agree that Fletcher offers anything these days and there is zero sign that LvG sees anything in Pearson at the moment, so I wouldn't say we are sorted in CM either, especially with Carrick turning 34 at the start of next season.
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We're much more sorted there than we are in a number of other positions, particularly CB and RB. I'd take Cabaye for £10m too, but you're laughing if you think PSG would sell for anywhere near that. In the current market you'd be looking at at least £25m, and that's way more than he's worth.
 
If we're buying a CM than please players like Vidal, Strootman, Pogba, Pjanic, McCarthy, S.Bender, Koke, Carvalho or even Schneiderlin should be on our list

And if we're buying players from PSG than starters like Matiudi or Verratti and not bench players

Sorry we've bought too many average players in the last years and players like Cabaye/Vlaar will not help us to come closer to Chelsea (and Real Madrid, Barca and Bayern Munich in Europe)
 
Brightonian said:
No, some big clubs do that and some don't. Madrid, for example, bought James this season despite not really needing him, offloading Di Maria to make room. They did the same thing with Kroos and Alonso. They now look a significantly worse team.

Chelsea, on the other hand, bought exactly the players they needed this summer. A top creative CM, a top striker and a good LB. As a result, they're smashing it.

We absolutely do need to prioritise, and CDM should be very low on our list. Especially when we're talking about a 29-year old who would be very expensive and is hardly a world-beater.
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Very well said indeed.

If we buy any other position without strengthening CB, RB and CM first then someone isn't doing their job properly. Be it the management for not identifying the position that needs strengthening, the scouts for not identifying the players for that position or Woodward and Co for not acquiring identified player.


I think our biggest problem in the last two seasons has been the scouting, thanks to the manger upheaval. Moyes didn't trust the work done by Fergie's scouts and wanted to do it himself or have his own men do it. Whereas Van Gaal did trust the work done on Shaw and Herrera but I'd speculate that he had no names passed on to him regarding CB as it was probably felt in the club that we didn't need another RCB with the numbers we had.

Hopefully that has changed and with a season of scouting under their belt we will address the issues in the correct manner next summer.
 
Brightonian said:
No, some big clubs do that and some don't. Madrid, for example, bought James this season despite not really needing him, offloading Di Maria to make room. They did the same thing with Kroos and Alonso. They now look a significantly worse team.

Chelsea, on the other hand, bought exactly the players they needed this summer. A top creative CM, a top striker and a good LB. As a result, they're smashing it.

We absolutely do need to prioritise, and CDM should be very low on our list. Especially when we're talking about a 29-year old who would be very expensive and is hardly a world-beater.
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I understand but for me we need all of them in no particular order, the first available should be first buy.
Obviously Cabaye is not necessarily the right CM.

PS: I'm making the assumption that we have the money, because if not we need to prioritise and then a RB and a Winger are primordial.
 
Brightonian said:
We're much more sorted there than we are in a number of other positions, particularly CB and RB. I'd take Cabaye for £10m too, but you're laughing if you think PSG would sell for anywhere near that. In the current market you'd be looking at at least £25m, and that's way more than he's worth.
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I wasn't saying I thought we'd get him for that price, I was saying that's as much as I'd want us to pay for him as personally I don't think he's anything special. I'd say we are unbalanced all over the place not just a select position. We need one CB at least but the fact LvG hasn't been able to field a consistent CB partnership obviously makes it hard for him to gauge what he has, and yes we could do with a decent RB back up. However none of that alters the fact that once you go past Herrera and Blind we are talking about a 33 year old Carrick who is coming off a bad injury and Fellaini as our other 2 CM's of experience, the fact Fletcher has barely kicked a ball since the end of the transfer window I would suggest shows how much LvG values his usage on the pitch.

We need at least one more quality CM, a CB, a back up RB and at least one wide man.
 
cesc's_mullet said:
Didn't he just recently move to PSG... What's going on here?
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Some on here seem absolutely obsessed with him. I would have taken him when he first moved from Lille; he would have been a cheap, risk-free option and we badly needed some CM's back then. That's the only time I would have taken him.

He's very overrated by some on here and they just won't let go. He would cost way too much these days and he's getting on a-bit.
 
Robbie Boy said:
Some on here seem absolutely obsessed with him. I would have taken him when he first moved from Lille; he would have been a cheap, risk-free option and we badly needed some CM's back then. That's the only time I would have taken him.

He's very overrated by some on here and they just won't let go. He would cost way too much these days and he's getting on a-bit.
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Yep, this.
 
Robbie Boy said:
Some on here seem absolutely obsessed with him. I would have taken him when he first moved from Lille; he would have been a cheap, risk-free option and we badly needed some CM's back then. That's the only time I would have taken him.

He's very overrated by some on here and they just won't let go. He would cost way too much these days and he's getting on a-bit.
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But not you who has the third most posts in this thread?
 
Anderson, Cleverley and Fletcher out, Cabaye in.

Cabaye, di Maria, Blind, Carrick, Herrera and Fellaini would let us rotate quite nicely if we get European football next season. Then we have Pereira, Powell etc to think about. Although, if we are after Strootman and get him, Cabaye makes less sense.
 
Orton said:
Think if we were to sign Cabaye, last year was the time. Don't really want him now.
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I would have taken him over Fellaini at the time, I always maintained that. I wanted McCarthy back then and was surprised that we didn't go for him considering Everton were often linked to him during Moyes' tenure.

When he arrived at Newcastle from Lille, he had just captained them to the Ligue 1 title. He would have represented good value for money back then and a very risk free option. I was surprised nobody else went for him and would have gladly taken him, considering our derth of CM options at the time. That time is gone, he will be 29 soon and would cost far too much.
 
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BarneyLFC said:
Hmm.
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They really do. They're still very strong, of course - they're fecking Real Madrid - but they've lost that unstoppable quality that they had last season. Kroos is not passing any better than Alonso was last season, but he also offers less defensively which is limiting Modric a little. And no-one in their right mind could claim that James is playing as well as Di Maria did for them last season. Di Maria fitted in along with both Bale and Ronaldo, whereas James doesn't.

(I know the Mighty Liverpool lost to them twice this season Barney, but I'm afraid that hardly means much at the moment.)
 
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