The problem they have is when Arteta is out, the entire plan goes to shit. I'm quite certain if Arteta played on Saturday, the result would have been different for Arsenal. Who knew a player like him would have turned out to be so integral for them.
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The problem they have is when Arteta is out, the entire plan goes to shit. I'm quite certain if Arteta played on Saturday, the result would have been different for Arsenal. Who knew a player like him would have turned out to be so integral for them.
10m bid rejected
For 3 spots? Not really. Especially when you consider Arteta is currently injured and Ramsey and Wilshere have has problems with staying fit.
at United and Arsenal this window. Failed miserably in trying to acquire our top targets and now hunting around for the fittest 4am bird.
Well put.Not at all surprising.
Wonder if Newcastle will throw a strop and post a statement on their OS.
No, they'll say they want £16M and we'll settle on £12-14M.
Insulting bid if ever there was one.
Opening bids are usually a bit 'insulting'.
10 million
Is this the Summer of stupidly low bids?
Their offer makes all the bids we have made this summer appear saintly.
Struggling to remember an instance when starting bidding with an insultingly low offer ended up getting the player. Most often it just seems to shut the door. See Arsenal for Gary Cahill.
Arsenal fans are already on the edge. Insulting bids like that will push them over. They need to get serious and pay what he's worth.
a bit like you guys with fellaini and baines then?
So what would you be happy to pay for Baines and Fellaini for your club?
28mil for Fellaini and Baines is as ridiculous as 10mil for Cabaye.
Very likely 5-6m with add-ons too, if it was 10m with a few extra it would be closer to the mark.
So Wenger will get him signed eventually, the odd thing is that Cabaye has been within hsi reach since the end of last season.
So Wenger will get him signed eventually, the odd thing is that Cabaye has been within hsi reach since the end of last season.
Laughable bid to be honest.
Neither are that ridiculous though. Fellaini is worth around £20m, we offered £16m, Baines is worth around £16m, we offered £12m and Cabaye is worth around £15m and Arsenal offered £10m. None of them are that ridiculous considering they're opening offers.
That's complete shite. If you really think the likes of Fellaini and Cabaye are sorry excuses then I really question what you know about either player other than the fact they aren't called Fabregas.
Nothing odd about it: first choice was Bender, who BL wouldn't sell; second choice Gustavo, who wanted £120K a week.
Is there any evidence that Arsene made an attempt to sign Bender? I mean, Arsenal were linked to Fellaini quite heavily earlier in the window as well.
I dont agree with your valuations. We're talking about Everton's 2 best players, if we want them, we'l have to pay up. Similarly in Arsenal's case with Cabaye.
This late in the window, the prices will only go up as it gets late as clubs would struggle to get players in. Regardless of our pursuit of Fabregas and Thiago, they are different players to Fellaini so if we wanted him, we should have done the business earlier. Same with Baines. Going in with low bids 2 weeks from end of the window is not going to get us anywhere.
This isn't the Cabaye of his debut season at Newcastle and the player's hardly going to fight the move, 10m will be nearer than our Baines-Fellaini offer.
Seemed clear that we bid £20M for him from the German press (made sense too, unlike Fellaini rumours).
Considering we already had a £12m bid for Baines rejected, and Everton bought Fellaini for around £15m, I'd say your valuations are incorrect.
The players are only worth as much as a side is willing to pay, if we don't value Fellaini at a price higher than £20m then we won't sign him for a price above £20m. That could suit Everton who could be delighted in keeping him, but I think Martinez wants McCarthy and would quite like the money. I do agree that it's odd we didn't go after him earlier though, but I don't think a £16m opening bid is ridiculous. It's a bit different with Cabaye because I'm not sure who Newcastle would get, but again I doubt Wenger will pay any more than £15m.
I remember, not so long ago, Cabaye openly speaking about desire to play for United and even encouraging the club to make bid for him.
This deal may have legs. Not sure if he's the type that will add a lot to the team but from this point, it's getting quite interesting.
This deal may have legs. Not sure if he's the type that will add a lot to the team but from this point, it's getting quite interesting.
How does Everton rejecting a £12m bid for Baines prove my £16m valuation of him is incorrect?
... because if we've already bid £12m, we should be bidding MORE then that this time round surely? Everton probably value him around £18-£20, and £16 is the least they'd expect.
Whatever way you look at it, or however you value the players, considering what's gone on - our bid was daft and ridiculously low.
Nope, the player is worth what the selling side would be willing to accept too. Its not just a buyer's market. You're right in that we wont get him unless we bid higher than 20mil though. I agree about Wenger not paying more than 15mil too, just that he wont get him either then.
I have no idea what the club are doing by bidding the same amount a few months later, all I'm saying is a bid of £12m for a £16m player isn't that ridiculous.
That may be related to the fact not all clubs confirm bids to the media.
True. But in the instances when those low bids do become public for one reason or another - often the selling club issuing a very public 'feck off' as Everton just have - it never seems to work out.
Bolton wanted a ludicrous £15M for that pile of crap - he went to Chelsea for £7M in the end.
And it's fair to say you dodged a bullet.
I don't think 10m is a ridiculous or laughable opening at all. He turns 28 this season and he's not all that great a player. I imagine after some negotiation he could be sold for about 12m. I don't see any other club paying significantly more for him.
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