Agree with you and @Bwuk , and anyone reading my posts will know how I feel about Maguire (although to be fair he's been one of our better performers of late in a three). But with that in mind, who would we have played at CB yesterday, or next at Everton if things remain the same? Maz and MDL? Who then plays LB noting Dalot is at RB? Dorgu? So who then LW? Still leaves us wide open. It's not quite as easy as 'bench the player', is it?
Yeah I’ll say it: The Relegation Thread
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Agree with you and @Bwuk , and anyone reading my posts will know how I feel about Maguire (although to be fair he's been one of our better performers of late in a three). But with that in mind, who would we have played at CB yesterday, or next at Everton if things remain the same? Maz and MDL? Who then plays LB noting Dalot is at RB? Dorgu? So who then LW? Still leaves us wide open. It's not quite as easy as 'bench the player', is it?
I very well remember similar things being said in 1973/74. That went well.
Relegation won't happen this season - the bottom three teams are awful and none of them will make up the current 12 point gap.
Next season it's a real possibility though. Let's say we have a disappointing summer transfer window (especially neglecting to fix our forward problems), maybe have a bit of an injury crisis, confidence is wrecked and the pressure is on. Would be arrogant to assume it couldn't happen.
Next season it's a real possibility though. Let's say we have a disappointing summer transfer window (especially neglecting to fix our forward problems), maybe have a bit of an injury crisis, confidence is wrecked and the pressure is on. Would be arrogant to assume it couldn't happen.
I find it really hard to imagine. The gap between the Championship and PL is growing every season, despite some PL clubs near the bottom making trash decisions consistently.
Rest easy guys, the Mirror's 'super computer' has predicted where we will finish.
Relegation doesn't just happen it is a culmination of poor decisions, management, players, owners over a period of time . In 1972 we finished 8th, in 1973 we finished 18th out of 22 teams and the following year we went down. We'll survive this season,just, but this summer and next season its incredibly important how we have to get everything right or it's a slippery slope
Fecking depressing though.
Fecking depressing though.
Hope you're right. I mean it shouldn't even be a topic next season, but the way things are going for this club, I'm keeping all options open.
Yeah he’s a sitting duck in a 2, and a 3 plays to his strengths. He's easily replaced by Yoro though if we did want to go down that route.
There's always going to be three teams considerably worse than us.
In the Championship now, there's arguably only Leeds who have the resources to finish above 17th.
Assuming two of Wolves, Leicester, Ipswich etc stay up, they will again be fighting to avoid relegation.
Relegation isn't a possibility. As bad as we are, we're not that bad. That, in some ways is a problem in itself. There is an argument that the club needs a complete reset.
We looked utter poo under Dyche and were a point above the relegation zone and Moyes has came in and got us 13 points clear of it.
Last season everyone was going wild about Luton and they finished on 26 points in 17th. Sheffield United are top of the Championship currently and finished on 16 points in the PL and conceded 100+.
Perhaps Leeds due to their history and size of the club can ruffle some feathers next season but it just feels like the gap is too much.
Michael Owen reckons the only way United get relegated is if we get fewer points than Ipswich, Leicester and Southampton.
He's spot on there, it's worth noting that if we finish games having conceeded more than we score then we're not going to win those games.
I’m not a United fan by any means, but I grew up with United being the top dog.
The level of incompetence needed to make such a rich big club get to this state is astonishing.
The level of incompetence needed to make such a rich big club get to this state is astonishing.
Putting all likelihoods aside and working out fixture lists, possible results, probabilities and so forth, the mere fact we are in this position is shocking. The lack of goals was an issue last season and we have just not addressed this at the start of this season. It's bitten us right in the arse. 28 goals after 25 games is appalling. 35 conceded is even worse. With a poor defence, you can at least still win games if you can put them away at the other end, but we can't do that. Heads go down as soon as we concede a single goal because we know that it's such a struggle to score them.
I'm looking at our games and I don't honestly know where the goals are going to come from. Hojlund doesn't look like scoring, Garnacho is fluffing chances, Amad is out, Zirkzee is never even close to the box, so that just leaves Bruno. The more I look at our squad, the greater my level of doubt rises. In terms of goals from other members of the squad, De Ligt has 1, and Martinez has 2 and Casemiro has 1 (just talking league goals now) No league goals from Maz, Maguire, Eriksen, Yoro, Dalot, Ugarte, and Mainoo. We're not savvy enough to spam goals from corners and freekicks like Arsenal do. Goalscoring is a whole-squad issue and we're nowhere near close to solving it. We're not going to win games if we don't sort this out.
I'm looking at our games and I don't honestly know where the goals are going to come from. Hojlund doesn't look like scoring, Garnacho is fluffing chances, Amad is out, Zirkzee is never even close to the box, so that just leaves Bruno. The more I look at our squad, the greater my level of doubt rises. In terms of goals from other members of the squad, De Ligt has 1, and Martinez has 2 and Casemiro has 1 (just talking league goals now) No league goals from Maz, Maguire, Eriksen, Yoro, Dalot, Ugarte, and Mainoo. We're not savvy enough to spam goals from corners and freekicks like Arsenal do. Goalscoring is a whole-squad issue and we're nowhere near close to solving it. We're not going to win games if we don't sort this out.
We have to play Ipswich soon the points gap could be 6-9 if we lose that game to them with 11 to play. I won’t be so confident until after that game. If the gap was to get to 6 points with 11 games left we could be in trouble
This team have also shown that they are not the best mentally. We haven't been in a situation like this for a very long time, and many of them (if not all) have ever been in a situation with the threat of relegation. We don't know how they will react if we lose the next specific game, but what we do know is that this group are not the best at learning from their mistakes, they're in poor form, and they are too familiar with losing games. There is no shock anymore when we lose matches because it has happened too often this season...and last. We lost 14 league games last season. This is a team that doesn't react well to losses.
Whatever happens, it has been a very poor and demoralising season.
That’s the way I see it too? If we get dragged into it, and there is a dog fight between ourselves and Ipswich, are we confident that this group of players react in a positive way? I mean the pressure will be absolutely immense. If Ipswich beat United at OT I can see United going down.
We're 12 points ahead of Ipswich and Leicester ffs. We're not going down. Even if Ipswich and Leicester beat us, they'll need to probably win at least another 4 matches to have any chance of staying up and that's assuming we only get two points between now and the end of the season.
Ipswich have only won 3 matches all season. They're not gonna win at least 4 out of the last 13.
I do worry that we’d be the equivalent of a jumbo jet in a tailspin if we did actually end up in a relegation battle, but luckily I do think we’re far enough away and even a couple of points will do.
We’re bad but we’re losing games marginally. It’s not like we’re getting slapped every time. The squad quality plus low morale means games are being decided by fine margins at the moment and some will inevitably go our way. Even draws are fine.
We’re bad but we’re losing games marginally. It’s not like we’re getting slapped every time. The squad quality plus low morale means games are being decided by fine margins at the moment and some will inevitably go our way. Even draws are fine.
Where do you see these wins coming from?
We'll probably win 2 from Ipswich, Leicester, West Ham and Wolves.
We might even fluke a win against Villa on the last day of the season, because we always seem to beat Villa regardless of whats happening.
We haven't won 2 consecutive games in league this season so not sure that'll happen now with Amad and couple of other players out. I'd be even happy with draws in some games.
We could even get draws in some of those tougher looking games. I just think people can't see the woods for the trees at the moment.
It migh also be 3 points from those 5 games. We are terrible and already lost to Wolves and Hammers. I am not sure Amorim will change anything if we are in a relegation battle.
Don't get me wrong, I have no faith in our ability to win games - but I also don't believe those three at the bottom are capable of suddenly going on any kind of run.
We will likely at least fluke a win and a couple of draws...or a couple of wins, between now and the end of the season, and that'll be more than enough
15 extra points? I really wish this will be the case but I cannot see it right now. Our run-in is pretty tough. This past run of games was supposed to be the time for us to pick up valuable points and we royally fecked it up.
Rest easy guys, the Mirror's 'super computer' has predicted where we will finish.
Somewhere in this there are 5 wins I guess, I assume it counting these as wins. I am sceptical at best.
Everton, Ipswich, Arsenal, Leicester, Forest, City, Newcastle, Wolves, Bmouth, Brentford, WHUM, Chelsea, Villa
Absolutely bang on the money
I can’t see us getting anything at Goodson, which would leave us in even deeper trouble. They know we are soft and they just need to get in amongst us. If we lose there, the Ipswich game becomes a must win, what a situation.
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The poorest United attack I can remember.
I said it two years ago we don't have enough goals in this squad. Toothless.
If this isnt addressed soon,
if we don't get relegated this season..we'll get relegated next season.
I said it two years ago we don't have enough goals in this squad. Toothless.
If this isnt addressed soon,
if we don't get relegated this season..we'll get relegated next season.
Yeah I cannot see us beating Everton away with the way they are playing right now. The rest are plausible I guess but all those teams we have either lost to or struggled against already this season. Could just as easily lose all those games too.
I say it quietly but the best thing that could happen to this club would be relegation tbh. If it meant the rats at the top would finally go and most of this squad leaves I wouldn’t be against it.
I've seen this written a lot and have never worked out how relegation would mean the Glazers would quit
If relegation guaranteed the rats selling the club -- even to Jassim -- it would be worth the trauma of being relegated. These effers treated the club like toilet paper and even after the fire sale would still come home with billions in their pockets after we were served dross for a decade.
The mind boggles, but we could be relegated -- it won't happen, but it could -- while still qualifying for the CL should we pull off a very unlikely glorious EL cup lift.
The only thing that guarantees them selling is their valuation falling faster than valuation of the potential buyers. Relegation is not something that guarantees any fundamental change there.
It's 12 points today but this could be 6 by next weekend if Ipswich can do Spurs and us. I'm worried
Get relegated so we can sell what remains of our soul to what is essentially a nation state. Incredible.
Rashford might smash in an own goal or two on the final day if we need it, for old times' sake.
Edit: Shit, he can't play. Yeah, we're fecked.
No it would have to be relegation and then getting stuck in the Championship for it to maybe force some sort of change. The only way to force them out is a sustained boycott of season tickets/games which would never happen.
The line in here is always the Glazers have played a blinder getting INEOS to take the blame. But they’ve lost control of most matters it seems, even the non football appointments are linked or chosen by INEOS. They can now only sit and watch the car crash whilst not being able to do a lot and of course completely unwilling to invest.
It’s a very strange ownership situation now and only made worse by the uncertainty of if and when it will change.
It's more likely to be 15. We'll probably both lost at the weekend, then we'll beat Ipswich.
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