That John Murtough started as sports scientist at Everton and later served as the Premier League's head of elite performance in 2012 prior to joining United under Moyes and stayed on after Moyes was sacked and is also credited with Academy recruitments as well as structuring of United's Women Team .
Would you take Ten Hag at United?
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran discuss a horrific month of December and a depressing FOUR defeats in a row - the latest coming against Wolves and Newcastle.
They discuss how much blame is on Ruben Amorim and rank our squad against other Premier League teams.
Do we have any chance of avoiding defeat at Anfield?
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Silly question. I’d take a chocolate teapot over what we currently have.
I wouldn't take Ten Hag. He will be like Donny. His football is perfect for Ajax with their type of players. Across the pond the players are diffirent, the intensity is different. Dude can hardly speak Dutch, let alone English. After the first defeat he would walk in to the press room and start talking and that will he his end right there. His name might not be De Boer, but he's a typical Dutch farmer who should just stay here.
Love how they play without fear
Yes, thank you. I remember that, too.
I'm wondering a bit about where he qualified his response with "I have no idea about his remit on the board".
Nice try, SiverpoolLupporter.
Nice post, thanks.
Even if the players don’t totally have qualities that Ten Hag is looking for, I am sure the attack will be awesome and with the money United have, it won’t be a problem to find a few players to complement his style.
But we have to be bold for that and unfortunately, the board will probably make the wrong choice as they are incompetent and the « United way » is just a way to excuse it.
The only way there is at this club is hire a genius manager to play attacking football. It actually mad to think that United had only two successful managers in his history…
I honestly don't recall singing the praises of Richard Arnold at all. I honestly know nothing about him regards the running of a football club. I think you might be mixing Arnold up with John Murtough who has done a superb job in putting in place mechanisms which has resulted in us becoming a more modernised club when it comes to data/analytics and a scouting network that has been described by people working in the industry as being very impressive regards the personnel.. And that information I've gleaned from the site I mentioned in my previous post who have guests regularly on their podcasts who either work in the scouting/coaching/data analytics departments at top clubs.
The original discussion regarding Murtough stemmed from the below post.
You switched to Arnold after that while I was still talking about Murtough in the executive position being able to go to the board yadda yadda. Hence me later posting that I was curious what you meant about his (Murtough) remit on the board since he's not on it.
Anyways, I'm wondering if someone in Murtough's position could use a fan-vote as something she/he could take to the board.
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Total Voetbal is a thing of the 70s to be honest. The way Ajax play now is more based on build up play from the back which is heavily influenced by quick fluid passing, 1 v 1 isolations in wide areas. This is something we could easily do and have the players to do it
I had a feeling it was, but I always feel it's in my best interest to go out of my way to point it out.
Aye, SreadToftly here with that NserUame.
But what's with the '(Ten Hag) can't speak Dutch' part in your earlier post?
I didn't mention Arnold but you did in the quoted post, where you say the following "Arnold, if he's as great as you you've been posting"
And i'm saying to you, I've made no such claims about Richard Arnold in any of my posts.
Actually a double swoop of Ten Hag and Van Der Sar to replace both Ole and Woodward would be sweet.
Oh, I did.
Do you think fan input may be able to help Murtough whenever he might have to go before the board?
He has a heavy local accent, so when he speaks Dutch it's really awkward to hear, because he's trying very hard to speak "normal" Dutch, so a lot of pauses and you can hear it's trying to overcompensate for his accent
Pretty resounding poll. Possibly more so than a poll for other candidates
Is it kind of like Bavarian German or the American 'Southern' accent (and the cultural/class stereotypes associated with it?)
He has a bit of trouble expressing himself. He is verbally clumsy so to speak.
I'm a bit nitpicky in that sense though. I like language and take offense to what he does to it.
No "pashun"?
I honestly don't know but I wouldn't want fan opinion to sway footballing decisions which should be made by a group of people who work with in the footballing department imo. Neither the board or fans should meddle in the decision making/ identifying process when looking at potential Head coaches/Managers. Aligning/streamlining the recruitment process can only be done by those people who run the football structure imo.
He's a top 5 manager in the world for me.
I know the Eredivise isn't the Premier League, but the way he's restored Ajax as the dominant force in Dutch football is very impressive. Especially considering that he's had to contend with losing his star players every summer and replacing them on a budget.
I don't see another team in Europe playing with same intensity and fluidity as this Ajax side, except possibly Bayern who have world class players in every position.
I know the Eredivise isn't the Premier League, but the way he's restored Ajax as the dominant force in Dutch football is very impressive. Especially considering that he's had to contend with losing his star players every summer and replacing them on a budget.
I don't see another team in Europe playing with same intensity and fluidity as this Ajax side, except possibly Bayern who have world class players in every position.
It'd be amazing if we hired a bard to accompany him to press conferences.
Again, obviosuly ideally yes. But what if a club is in a situation where a board does suppress otherwise sound footballing decisions made by those people who run the footballing structure.
Maybe, maybe not. But his team plays marvellous football, watched them a few times this season and their games have been hugely enjoyable. Should have probably scored more last night too.
The difference is, and we’ve spoken around this before; that’s a way of life at a team like Ajax where their ethos is to develop early and sell the valuable ones. They have to take those gambles on young players.
At United the pressure is more intense. The ethos is not develop and sell. It’s win games. It’s keep the fans quiet. No way would fans accept an 18 year old over a shiny new cb especially if he starts making mistakes
If a board is meddling with decisions whilst having a football department then that's never a good sign imo. But I would never want fans to make that decision.
On another night Haaland would have scored 2 or 3 goals. An off night for him in terms of scoring
Again, 100% fan voted is just zany. But I'm wondering about our new 'fan-inclusion' initiative and if it might be able to help any footballing-people when they have to go to the board.
A manager that improves his team and makes them play above their ability.
We haven't had that since Fergie. Whether he'd be able to make the same changes at United? who knows, but it's not like Ajax have no pressure or expectation either.
We haven't had that since Fergie. Whether he'd be able to make the same changes at United? who knows, but it's not like Ajax have no pressure or expectation either.
Amazing job again with the squad he has. I wouldn't have much hope in his previous stars at their new clubs in Barca, Juve and United beating Ajax this year. They're earning more money but that's about it. Makes me feel sorry for Ajax again and that some other super league is needed or maybe perhaps joining some of the leagues up on the continent.
Maybe Man Utd would be too big of a step up.
Now Arsenal, perhaps bringing Overmars with him, that's a move that makes sense for all parties.
Now Arsenal, perhaps bringing Overmars with him, that's a move that makes sense for all parties.
The difference is that there's many managers who have shown to be better than others when it comes to developing youngsters whilst also competing at the top. And that's just the simple truth. I honestly have no doubt that if someone like ten Hag was our Manager then I don't believe it would be a case of giving a youngster a chance due to their age but rather due to how said young player could help in implementing a style of play which requires a level of technicality which several players in our first team fail at. So the pressure on him would be on how quickly he can implement his style of play imo which requires the team to be dominant in possession all over the pitch. And that's why I feel under him several of our first team players would be a hinderance rather than a help. De Gea I think will be gone pretty quickly if he arrives. I can't see how De Gea survives under him.
But i'd understand if we had a 1 to 11 which was top class but we don't, so I find it strange that players like Mata and a few others are still at the club.
I think 3 is a bit rich, would expect 1 or 2 goals from him based on the chances he had. His expected goals were also between 1 and 2 coincidentally.
It's just a shame, I'd say we might be the most underperforming club in the world for the resources available. Ajax one of the most overperforming clubs.
I agree that he’s good at developing young players, at Ajax. Whether he’d do it as freely at United with the fans expectations on his back is another matter. I genuinely don’t know how he’d fare. He might turn out to be a raving transfer muppet with more money at his disposal.
I agree re some of the squad; mata, Bailly, Dalot, one of the 2 main keepers, Martial and Pogba would have been sold/released in the summer if it were down to me. I haven’t included Jones as he wasn’t fit.
We gave the manager of Molde a chance. United could be too big of a step up for him, but I'd rather put a punt on him than put up with Ole. Ajax is after all, also a massive club.Maybe Man Utd would be too big of a step up.
Now Arsenal, perhaps bringing Overmars with him, that's a move that makes sense for all parties.
I agree mate, we just don't know how things would turn out with him or any other Manager. But for me the decision to appoint ten Hag would be the correct one from a footballing pov. I also don't think he or anyone else will get a free hand again in the transfer market due to Murtough and the transfer committee being quite influential.
And what can I say about the second para, it seems someone was a little naive and decided to bloat the squad.
Yep he’s the one that i want ahead of Conte, zidane etc who will want to rip everything up and start again.
if we could get VDS to replace woody at the same time that would be dandy
My post was slightly tongue in cheek. Now that I've resigned myself that Arteta isn't working, this guy is probably at the top of my wishlist for replacements, certainly wouldn't want him to replace Ole from an Arsenal perspective.
Im half way through reading the thread, & thinking that even the negatives people are talking about (a slight lack of personality, could he deal with the pressure at a mammoth club, could he handle top personalities & would the ego players respond to him), wouldn't be as much of an issue at Arsenal.
Im dreaming mind you, as our board probably won't sack Arteta.
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