Greenwood is exactly the same player he was 3 years ago. Every time he plays it's so clear he's just a supreme talent that isn't being remotely coached. He could be so so much more than he is right now if we had a good manager.
Would you take Ten Hag at United?
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran discuss a horrific month of December and a depressing FOUR defeats in a row - the latest coming against Wolves and Newcastle.
They discuss how much blame is on Ruben Amorim and rank our squad against other Premier League teams.
Do we have any chance of avoiding defeat at Anfield?
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I stand corrected, he's 20 but the point stands. Timber is short and physically not a match for Haaland but Haaland was pretty crap IMO but could've scored. But that was mostly down to the risk element which can expose the players at the back. And I feel considering all things Timber came out on top when it came to controlling the space.
It definitely isnt easy defending Haaland when the team is playing that high, I agree that Timber did a great job. But he didnt keep him completely quiet which I dont think any defender would have, especially how Ajax plays. Haaland still managed to create 2 very big chances and one good chance by superb movement, speed, dribbling, but thats just Haaland.
To be honest with you I didn't claim he kept him completely quiet which would be a difficult task against most forwards at the top level. I said he did a superb job against Haaland, considering Haaland was physically much stronger.
The age thing is also silly because Hansi Flick was 54 when Bayern appointed him their head coach in 2019 if I'm not mistaken. And I don't think many knew much about him at the time. And if we (United) had hired him at the time, then people on here would have been having meltdowns.
So true, bar Greenwood the manager hasn't invested any game time in youth and its sad that we are hemorrhaging points whilst playing limited battlers and he isn't even shaking things up by giving youth an opportunity. Whats the risk, we are still losing anyway?
More than you’d get at any other top club in England that’s for sure. We’ve missed the opportunity to save our season numerous times by being ultra patient with a string of managers.
Yep, imagine him under, say Klopp. It’s arguable that none of our players have improved under solskjaer - he’s outstayed his welcome to a massive degree. Another manager could have this group of players absolutely flying, playing exciting, attacking football.
That's right you didnt. Relatively I'd agree, but at the same time, if Haaland scores 1 or 2 from those chances which he equally could, it's though to say Timber did a superb job on him. But he did very well, first time against a player of that calibre.
don’t think we’d ever go for him unfortunately, we only go for well known or big name managers. I think it’s time to try something different with a young hungry manager who plays attractive football. The board should let the fans vote for the next manager because it’s clear we know a lot more then they do. We watch European football and different teams all the time. There probably sat in there massive houses counting all the money they have.
I think Haaland would've scored a couple against Lindelof and Maguire in a similar setup, because neither CB is comfortable in isolation in a higher line.
I honestly hope we never allow the fans to vote for a new Manager/head coach.
I think so as well, he could destroy them. Haaland is dangerous in many different set ups but this was one of his ideal opponents in terms of space available I'd say. Martinez and Timber are one of the ideal defenders for Ajax' set up however. Maguire, and Lindelof would struggle immensely I think.
It has everything to do with your response to my original post.
The owners have picked 3/4 and not one have worked out… the majority of fans would chose ten Haag I reckon. If we got a say in it then the fans can’t call out the owners if it doesn’t work out
Top manager but can't help but feel our squad is the opposite of what he would excel with.
Could be wrong though, often am
Could be wrong though, often am
I don't think many had a problem with us hiring Van Gaal and Mourinho. Moyes was selected by Fergie and Solskjaer was a marriage of convenience at a time when the club had targeted Pochettino according to reports.
I want us to go for ten Hag but i'm not sure the fans can look past Conte and Zidane. @DJ_21
I want us to go for ten Hag but i'm not sure the fans can look past Conte and Zidane. @DJ_21
It could work if we could guarantee 'election security'. Perhaps a system where the fans' group selects a pool of candidates, argues/illustrates their pros and cons - perhaps ranks them as well? - and then the board takes this, adds their two cents and then gives it to the executives to go and talk to the candidates, see who responds and how. Then maybe some(?) feedback to the fan group leaders and then further action.
With the right system in place, it could prove a useful tool, right?
I wonder how Donny feels watching this Ajax side...
When have we ever hired what’s in vogue? Mourinho and Moyes football was the big thing in mid-2000s ie play not to lose. Solskjaer is a failed attempt at bringing the 90s back. LVG may have promised the tiki taka of the time but it was far from what was required.
If we were going with the times, the last 4 managers would have all been high press.
Tbf to Ole, in terms of developing youth he has also turned Rashford, 21 when Ole took over, into a first XI. He was only starting 50% of games under Jose, was not only rotating with Martial but also Sanchez was weirdly bought in and given the starting LW role.
The same for McTominay, Martial and Pereira initially (22, 23 and 23) although none have been as successful as Marcus. Also Williams was brought into the fold, which again hasn't been a huge success. Henderson too has been given a fair amount of games.
Ole is a poor manager but his youth record isn't really part of the problem.
The same for McTominay, Martial and Pereira initially (22, 23 and 23) although none have been as successful as Marcus. Also Williams was brought into the fold, which again hasn't been a huge success. Henderson too has been given a fair amount of games.
Ole is a poor manager but his youth record isn't really part of the problem.
Maybe, but things have to be looked at holistically imo. And for me this decision has to be made by the guys running the football department, because it's with those guys a potential head coach will have to work with. And John Murtough has only recently said the following "We talk to players and we talk to our coaching staff about playing fast, fluid attacking football, so when we link across all the age groups, there's a thread that runs through the football club.”
https://www.manutd.com/en/news/detail/john-murtough-praises-united-fans-impact
He also spoke about the investment we've made in the youth department so those guys (Murtough, Bout, Court, Lawlor and Fletcher) are best placed to make a decision on who the next head coach will be IMO. And from what Murtough is saying, ten Hag is definitely one of the candidates that fits the profile.
Another thing with Ten Hag is knowing that the likes of Henderson, Laird, Tuanzebe, Mengi, Garner, Mejbri and Shoretire would all get chances rather than Dalot, Bailly, Matic, Lingard and Mata who everyone by now knows are not good enough and never will be yet are kept because of their experience and the fact no one else wants them.
Outside of Greenwood no one has been brought through by Ole despite Ole always talking of ‘the United way’ of bringing players through and our supposed way of playing, we play with effectively two holding midfielders that aren’t actually holding midfielders at home and effectively play with a back 6 with no creativity or progression and the only positive is we’re not as toxic as when Jose was in charge.
Outside of Greenwood no one has been brought through by Ole despite Ole always talking of ‘the United way’ of bringing players through and our supposed way of playing, we play with effectively two holding midfielders that aren’t actually holding midfielders at home and effectively play with a back 6 with no creativity or progression and the only positive is we’re not as toxic as when Jose was in charge.
I think I'm all in on this guy. Every time I've watched Ajax in recent years they've been very good to watch.
Good thing you guys picked up on, Ole's United way isnt United way at all.
He is our most defensive manager to date and barely ever changes anything in favor of anyone, let alone youth and he is a hoarder too. One thing I appreciated about Jose, he fell out with a lot of players but when he didnt want someone, he would tell them. Its fair to the player who deserves to play elsewhere.
Ole just sucks in every way possible. He is out of his depth, subconsciously he knows it and he is trying to survive. He deceives, he lies and he uses everyone. He is actually not a nice guy at all. Its a facade and how he gets ahead in life. Sneaky
He is our most defensive manager to date and barely ever changes anything in favor of anyone, let alone youth and he is a hoarder too. One thing I appreciated about Jose, he fell out with a lot of players but when he didnt want someone, he would tell them. Its fair to the player who deserves to play elsewhere.
Ole just sucks in every way possible. He is out of his depth, subconsciously he knows it and he is trying to survive. He deceives, he lies and he uses everyone. He is actually not a nice guy at all. Its a facade and how he gets ahead in life. Sneaky
How do we think he would solve our Ronaldo, Bruno, Pogba issue?
While absolutely a wonderful thing that Ole did there, at this point there's a strong argument that it wasn't a 'footballing' element in his development that Ole contributed to. Ole managed (ha) to steer Rashford away from the Pogba/Lingard influence.
Yes, these would be the executive-level decision-makers mentioned earlier. You're right having the appointment be 100% fan-selected is pretty zany. And assuming 'proper' football knowledge within the executive level, then fan opinion and executive opinion would largely overlap, which would make it (fan opinion) a bit redundant.
But right now, with the board being comprised of the people it's comprised of, it does seem fan opinion being reflected might help the 'football-wise' elements among the executives. Arnold, if he's as great as you've been posting, could take such a thing to the board and go, 'See, the fans are suggesting these people, too.'
Again, in an ideal world, he shouldn't be in such a position. But the board are Glazers and their friends who all have a track record of doing poorly in school and in business and who extremely likely have no idea about anything about football, so fan-opinion could help the guys running the football department (not to mention up until very recently, we had Edward frocking Woodward running the football department).
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I dont know. Im good enough to be a PE teacher but not good enough to be the manager so Im just like Ole.
But he did know how to use VDB, didnt he. It has to work better than it does now. Under anyone.
I want someone immediately though. Conte or even Zidane might be more available. Ten Hag we might wait until the end of the season, I want this season salvaged Tuchel style.
So people are back with "Ole is PE teacher". Looks like whenever we don't do well, twitter folks will be back on caf.
Tbh I've never made any claim about Richard Arnold, because I have no idea about his remit on the board. What I have spoken about is the football and data men that sit on the transfer committee because there's information about their work in football and analytics. A site called 'training ground guru' has regularly had top scouts and people who work within recruitment departments across Europe on their podcasts. And it's mostly from their information which I form my opinions. The same site reviewed our scouting network when it came to completion in 2017 and said it was one of the most impressive line ups they'd ever reviewed.
I’m fully on board the “we need someone immediately” train now, however we can’t get someone in till the end of the season and then replace them with Ten Hag if available. If Zidane, Conte or whoever comes in they’re here to stay until they leave or are sacked.
Stop gaps, i.e. what Solskjaer was supposed to be, are a myth.
I hope we are looking for options instead of "In Ole we trust. ten Hag should be at the top of the list. His team plays very good football no matter who the opponents are, they play attacking football. It was so good to watch Ajax outplaying Dortmund. Scoreline didn't even flatter them.
I hope Fletcher/Murtough had a chat with VdS.
I hope Fletcher/Murtough had a chat with VdS.
We're too reactionary. We won't start considering the next manager until it's too late for this one.
IIRC you sang some(?) of his praises a few times when people such as myself asked exactly who/what this Richard Arnold fellow was regarding concerns that he was just a Woodward clone. That he was selected by the FA, that he was absolutely a football-man, etc.
So you’ve got a physical education and teacher qualification?
And your FA coaching badges?
@hungrywing I think you are getting confused I believe Adnan said those things about John Murtough.
The LVG comparisons are so incredibly lazy. They're very different with both in the way they press and how they play in possession. Besides, LVG's as a manager only has a lifespan of 2 years before he has a fall out and his biggest problem was that he thought he could do all the transfer business himself which led to some incredibly poor signings, like Rojo off the back of a few world cup games he saw while he was analyzing Argentina for the Dutch NT.
Our squad right now is very good and complete. ETH would certainly play Maguire, Shaw, Varane, Rashford, Greenwood, Sancho, Bruno and find some use for Ronnie, VDB (and one of the wingers off the bench). So we're talking about a DM we need anyway, a RB we probably need anyway to replace Dalot, and a GK that's better with his feet. My, my, 3 signings. What an overhaul!
He'd certainly need a full pre season to implement his stuff, but a lot of Ajax's starting players aren't from the academy: Tadic, Haller, Berghuis, Antony Alvarez, Martinez, Pasveer (7/11 last night). Unless you're saying Berghuis is some incredible player that Bruno can't match, I see no reason why ETH couldn't properly coach most of our players.
If I had to define "the united way", which is a nonsense term, I'd definitely include exciting winger play. And the great squad Ole has built includes a lot of great wingers. We'd be morons to hire a 5-3-2 manager and let them rot on the bench.
Pep, Klopp and Tuchel would challenge for the title and win a trophy with our squad. They're not available, ETH is.
Our squad right now is very good and complete. ETH would certainly play Maguire, Shaw, Varane, Rashford, Greenwood, Sancho, Bruno and find some use for Ronnie, VDB (and one of the wingers off the bench). So we're talking about a DM we need anyway, a RB we probably need anyway to replace Dalot, and a GK that's better with his feet. My, my, 3 signings. What an overhaul!
He'd certainly need a full pre season to implement his stuff, but a lot of Ajax's starting players aren't from the academy: Tadic, Haller, Berghuis, Antony Alvarez, Martinez, Pasveer (7/11 last night). Unless you're saying Berghuis is some incredible player that Bruno can't match, I see no reason why ETH couldn't properly coach most of our players.
If I had to define "the united way", which is a nonsense term, I'd definitely include exciting winger play. And the great squad Ole has built includes a lot of great wingers. We'd be morons to hire a 5-3-2 manager and let them rot on the bench.
Pep, Klopp and Tuchel would challenge for the title and win a trophy with our squad. They're not available, ETH is.
Huge gamble and we should be going for an experienced manager but feck it hope we get him
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