Would you take Rangnick back (As a DOF and NOT a manager)?

[The Brown Bull]

An academic question .

 

[TheMagicFoolBus]

Unfortunately Ragnick played the Game Of Thrones like Lord Eddard Stark of Winterfell.

he was brutally honest and he thought his title would demand respect around him and also protect him.

The biggest mistake was speaking like a “consultant”/ DOF (whatever his original title was meant to be before manager) during manager press conferences. Instead of keeping it short and saying what he was trying to do with the first team that he had and what he wanted of the players it was all about what he’s going to happen the next transfer window.

Honestly think this is a really good analogy. Someone who was parachuted into a horrendously toxic situation that tried to do their best and assumed that speaking the truth would confer some sort of moral protection despite it directly contrasting with the interests of extremely dumb, vain, and narcissistic individuals like Cersei Lannister and Cristiano Ronaldo

 

[Sir Erik ten Hag]

I don’t quite understand your post. People still talk that Ragnick was right, and people still talk about how Ned Stark was the most honorable man in Westeros.

People do still talk about both of them

You're just confirming my post.

 

[Teja]

Honestly think this is a really good analogy. Someone who was parachuted into a horrendously toxic situation that tried to do their best and assumed that speaking the truth would confer some sort of moral protection despite it directly contrasting with the interests of extremely dumb, vain, and narcissistic individuals like Cersei Lannister and Cristiano Ronaldo

There's speaking truth to power and there's verbal diarrhea. Rangnick suffers from the latter. Even as a DOF such a guy can't build a coherent team around him without pissing off half the organization. As a manager it's a non-starter.

It doesn't matter how capable you are technically. Coaxing, cajoling people around you to make them buy into your vision is 90% of the job. No way he does that effectively. Especially so in a high pressure, high visibility role like United where every mistake is amplified and leaks are non-stop.

 

[DevilRed]

There's speaking truth to power and there's verbal diarrhea. Rangnick suffers from the latter. Even as a DOF such a guy can't build a coherent team around him without pissing off half the organization. As a manager it's a non-starter.

It doesn't matter how capable you are technically. Coaxing, cajoling people around you to make them buy into your vision is 90% of the job. No way he does that effectively. Especially so in a high pressure, high visibility role like United where every mistake is amplified and leaks are non-stop.

Absolutely. His man management was fecking horrible. As an interim manager, you're supposed to do the opposite. Steady the ship. Improve morale. Instead he tried to sink it as soon as he saw that he wasn't capable of managing this group.

Way out of his depth. A few victories with austria DOES NOT gloss over that fact.

 

[elmo]

Yes. He said the truth which nobody wanted to hear and even now we’re still suffering from the fact that we still have loads of players who should have been gotten rid long ago.

 

[Craig Ward]

Sure the plan was for him to stay - but ETH had other ideas.

Now we have Ineos who clearly have other targets

 

[TheRedHearted]

Honestly think this is a really good analogy. Someone who was parachuted into a horrendously toxic situation that tried to do their best and assumed that speaking the truth would confer some sort of moral protection despite it directly contrasting with the interests of extremely dumb, vain, and narcissistic individuals like Cersei Lannister and Cristiano Ronaldo

Yeah. Can’t believe I didn’t think of it then. It’s quite the shame and a less prouder man would have been more pragmatic and a politician with the press. He woulda ripped out the older players and we coulda had youngsters with the press

You're just confirming my post.

Well, to be technical you were confirming my post but used some language that didn’t make much sense. Got it now though. Normally when someone starts with “then” it’s a contradiction.

 

[Partridge]

Yes. He said the truth which nobody wanted to hear and even now we’re still suffering from the fact that we still have loads of players who should have been gotten rid long ago.

Rangnick was right, but the wonderland wankers all thought they knew better. pricks

 

[Cerberus]

As DoF - absolutely. Was kind of hoping we went for him instead of Ashworth but I suppose it wouldn't make sense now after keeping Ten Hag.

 

[Eric_the_Red99]

Rangnick was right, but the wonderland wankers all thought they knew better. pricks

Who are the ‘wonderland wankers’? This idea that Rangnick was some sort of genius-unappreciated-in-his-own-time Cassandra-like figure who had the miraculous insight to say we needed better players is kinda weird to me. We’ve always needed better players. It’s actually signing better players which has been our problem for years. Most of our signings have been bad, and often worse than the ‘deadwood’ they replaced.

 

[Partridge]

Who are the ‘wonderland wankers’? This idea that Rangnick was some sort of genius-unappreciated-in-his-own-time Cassandra-like figure who had the miraculous insight to say we needed better players is kinda weird to me. We’ve always needed better players. It’s actually signing better players which has been our problem for years. Most of our signings have been bad, and often worse than the ‘deadwood’ they replaced.

Wonderland wankers being the management. He wasn't wrong. The team needed "open heart surgery". But the management were obviously content with Disney world united. Nobody claimed he was some sort.of genius. Literally nobody. Just that he was right but nobody cares because he's a shit manager.