I keep seeing posters say this but the long term is the long term future of the club and squad, not the managers time at the helm. Some managers come in and don't give a shit about the state of things once they know they'll be gone in 3 years and seeing as we don't have a dedicated DOF we will be in the same position we were in post LVG and Mourinho, especially if a manager like Conte is backed in the market and allowed to bring in a load of players that only work with his formations.
Would you take Conte at United?
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This is it, Jose tore down everything LVG did and bought players too suit his style which was just wasting money. If we have a manager in place he should be trying to play the way we want and if he fails and gets sacked we need to hire a replacement that also plays the same way. It shows the club has a style to stick too.
I don’t want him here personally but there is no doubt he is a top manager. We need to set a way we play say for example one touch football and say Ole does that but underachieves then bring in a manager who plays the same way until we get it right.
Conte will do well but he’s a short term option with a tactical style we should be getting away from.
Conte is cut from a very similar cloth to Jose, it would be a 2 year reign and unlikely to be more.
Having said that, I believe that he would be getting far more from this squad and would immediately stamp a style of play on the team.
Having said that, I believe that he would be getting far more from this squad and would immediately stamp a style of play on the team.
Hope we are talking to him behind the scenes. One of Conte and Ten Hag would be a huge upgrade on what we have today.
A traffic cone would be an upgrade on what we have currently but please god no to conte.
The football would be unwatchable and as for the syrup……..
I think he would setup as a 4-4-1-1 still giving Bruno his freedom and Ronaldo up front.
LM and RM would have to put in a lot more work defensively and hopefully Shaw and AWB(doubtful though) be able to unleash the LM and RM when needed.
This is the SAF tactics which worked a treat.
Teams overloading Scott and Fred is not working.
There's another aspect to this and 4-3-3. Scott and Fred are getting overloaded as part of a midfield two instead of a midfield three so there is that as well.
Sancho hasn't become a bad player overnight, the coaching with Ole is just horrific.
LM and RM would have to put in a lot more work defensively and hopefully Shaw and AWB(doubtful though) be able to unleash the LM and RM when needed.
This is the SAF tactics which worked a treat.
Teams overloading Scott and Fred is not working.
There's another aspect to this and 4-3-3. Scott and Fred are getting overloaded as part of a midfield two instead of a midfield three so there is that as well.
Sancho hasn't become a bad player overnight, the coaching with Ole is just horrific.
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I long for some passion on the sidelines. Ole is a waste of a technical area.
Hell no. Hope we stay well away.
No, hope he isn't even considered
Passion is one thing but Conte will not be a good manager, he’s Mourinho 2.0
This is RedCafe, not Tinder.
Yes, Conte is a winner.
There is a simple rule in life. If you want to maximize your chances to win, pick for the job someone who has already won things. The probabilities are much higher than picking a loser and hoping that "he will learn on the job".
There is a simple rule in life. If you want to maximize your chances to win, pick for the job someone who has already won things. The probabilities are much higher than picking a loser and hoping that "he will learn on the job".
To certain extent , I would agree.
The last premier league title we have won was under SAF.
Years of bewilderedness have been wasting the squad’s prime and youth away.
We need to win the domestic title now !
The mentality of winning titles has to start now !
The last premier league title we have won was under SAF.
Years of bewilderedness have been wasting the squad’s prime and youth away.
We need to win the domestic title now !
The mentality of winning titles has to start now !
If Conte wants to join we would be idiots not to consider it. His worst day is levels above Ole's best, and if people here still say no to that then they deserve Vibes and DNA FC.
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Feck yes
If the question is "would you take Conte over Solskjaer" then sure, fine, whatever. He's a much better manager.
The question should be "would you take Conte over Zidane, Enrique, Ten Hag and any other managers who might be available over the next 8 or so months?" though.
The worst legacy Ole could have at United is if our desparation to replace him saw us jump for the wrong manager and commit another few years to a wasted project. Yet a lot of the posts I see in favour of Conte here do seem to be as much or more about wanting Ole gone as wanting Conte in.
The question should be "would you take Conte over Zidane, Enrique, Ten Hag and any other managers who might be available over the next 8 or so months?" though.
The worst legacy Ole could have at United is if our desparation to replace him saw us jump for the wrong manager and commit another few years to a wasted project. Yet a lot of the posts I see in favour of Conte here do seem to be as much or more about wanting Ole gone as wanting Conte in.
Initially, I wanted to say "Ole is trying to build a fun work environment" but I thought, these guys are at Manchester fecking United, getting paid more money a week than most people make a year. It should be a high-pressure, demanding work environment where everyone demands the best of each other - and be results-oriented professionals.
So yes, I want Conte IN.
So yes, I want Conte IN.
Maybe you're right.
However that would also be the approach of someone who doesn't know much about football. If you can't judge the technicalities and specifics of what a manager does and what your team needs (style of play, formation, tactics, coaching methods, preferred player profiles, etc), just appoint the guy who has already won more trophies and hope that however they did that will apply to your team too.
Because "Conte is a winner" is a meaningless concept. There are people who have won in the past, there are people who will win in the future, but there is no such thing as someone who will just win things by dint of who they are. It's what they actually do that matters.
All you can really say about Conte in that regard is that he has been a winner. It may be that he will be a winner again in the future. Or it may be that he will be like the uncountable number of previous "winners" who at some point stopped winning, Mourinho being an obvious recent example. That's why you have to look beyond their CV and at the actual things they would want to do at your club.
Conte is basically Mourinho before he bought into his own hype and started fighting everyone else who didn't. But with a tactical skillset that's relevant today and wins titles today.
I don't really understand why anyone in their right might would ever be against replacing Ole with Conte.
I don't really understand why anyone in their right might would ever be against replacing Ole with Conte.
Not a Conte fan but Ole persistent with McFred combo is killing.
His football is not similar to Mourinho or Simeone’s. He’s a bit of a hard man so people equate him with them. Okay, he’s not as attacking as Klopp, but he’s a proper training ground coach who improves players and comes up with creative solutions. Ask Hazard, Pirlo, Hakimi, Lukaku what he’s like and they wouldn’t be saying he’s a dinosaur like some of you seem to be.
How's his Champions league record?
Terrible.
34 matches, 12 wins, 11 draws, 11 losses (1.38 PPM). Got to the QF in 2012/13 with Juve and to the last 16 with Chelsea in 17/18. In his other 3 CL campaigns, his team got knocked out in the group stage, with Inter finishing bottom of the group once.
He's never been past the quarter finals in 10 years, which is a dreadful record considering he's been a head coach at some very big clubs.
You’re right it’s not great. I think by the end of his career it will look different. The Juventus team was just about okay in Europe. Things had gone sour at Chelsea by the time he was coaching them in the CL. Inter haven’t been anything in Europe for a decade. I wouldn’t worry about Europe too much. Isn’t the United job right now similar to the Juventus job he did, putting a team back to the top domestically?
Maybe so but unlike Italy you don’t do that with the likes of Ashley Young and Alexis Sanchez in the team. The guy was signing United rejects to win Serie A. That doesn’t set alarm bells ringing for you ?
I can't speak for anyone else but I'd like to see us win the CL just as much as the league title.
Why not? Conte is a proven winner, and he will bring trophies. Like in Mourinho case, many didn't like him but the fact remains that he won most trophies with us after Sir Alex.
He didn’t do that at Chelsea or Juventus though. It worked for Inter, but he also bought in Barella, Sensi, Lukaku, Hakimi and promoted Bastoni. United have money to only spend on mid-career players and younger and could make that policy clear to Conte. I thought that was the policy until you went mental and bought Ronaldo.
I see SOME of the concerns with Conte but not the one that compares him to Mourinho. Conte is a much better trainer than Jose and I think would bring the levels up.
Ten Hag might be better but I just don’t see Woodward having the nerve or letting Bout, Murtough, Fletcher really set things up for Ten Hag. The dream scenario would probably be VDS taking over from Woodward so all that could happen.
Of course. I think getting back to the top of the League increases your CL chances more, even with Conte. I think Conte’s record is a bit of a freak and he’ll end up doing a lot better in the long run.
Conte won a title at Chelsea playing tumescent football and then promptly had a meltdown just as Mourinho did.
He is a toxic individual whose teams play a shite brand of football. Mou v2.
The thing with Conte and the best performing managers is that they ask what players are willing to give them, then they demand more. Conte is like that. You may not like his style of football but at this point beggars can't be choosers. We literally have someone who isn't even qualified to be a premier league manager and somehow people are saying "oh but the style of play"
His Chelsea team didn’t play tumescent football.
In 19/20 it seemed that Ole was building something interesting with the 3 young forwards plus Bruno+Pogba behind them. I didn't want Conte coming here, destroying their confidence, bottling everything up and playing with no width.
Now, there is no young quick forward line. The football quality is really variable, there's no particular style, and it's not great to watch. The age profile of the squad is perfect for him - at their peak or past their peak (Ronaldo, Cavani, Bruno, Pogba, Varane, Maguire, DDG). Martial is barely a football player anymore, while Greenwood is hopefully too good to suffer under a different approach. Rashford, Sancho, and one of those from the previous list will be the main casualties. OTOH, I'd expect the defence and midfield and the other forwards to get better. So on balance, improvement.
He never stays beyond a couple of years, and that fits up perfectly with Ronaldo and Cavani's contract and the others' peak ages. He's also supposedly very demanding, so I don't see him coming unless he can sign someone in January.
So, probably, yes. Personally I'd wait to see if the team is still in the title race in January, then Ole has earned his place for the season. Though the board will wait as long as top 4 remains possible, so this is pointless.
Now, there is no young quick forward line. The football quality is really variable, there's no particular style, and it's not great to watch. The age profile of the squad is perfect for him - at their peak or past their peak (Ronaldo, Cavani, Bruno, Pogba, Varane, Maguire, DDG). Martial is barely a football player anymore, while Greenwood is hopefully too good to suffer under a different approach. Rashford, Sancho, and one of those from the previous list will be the main casualties. OTOH, I'd expect the defence and midfield and the other forwards to get better. So on balance, improvement.
He never stays beyond a couple of years, and that fits up perfectly with Ronaldo and Cavani's contract and the others' peak ages. He's also supposedly very demanding, so I don't see him coming unless he can sign someone in January.
So, probably, yes. Personally I'd wait to see if the team is still in the title race in January, then Ole has earned his place for the season. Though the board will wait as long as top 4 remains possible, so this is pointless.
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Suit yourself, friend. I’m sure you’d happily have him at Blackburn.
Conte ticks all the right boxes like Mourinho. And we all saw how that turned out.
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