Would you take Conte at United?

Would you want Conte at United?

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    Votes: 1,013 47.1%

  • No

    Votes: 1,140 52.9%
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the chameleon said:
- I disagree fully. Unless you're aware of something I don't know. We have made 180 turns each time we've hired a new manager, wasting years to give them the squad they want.
- Our current style isn't attractive by any means, but we have a squad and group of players that could be utilised for an attractive playing style by the right coach. The one good thing about Ole is that he's built a squad on the values of Man Utd, something a good attack-minded manager could really build on. A defensive coach will ruin that momentum.
- Fair enough, but you only find out when they play. Certain managers are better at nurturing young talent. Conte is a short term manager, who makes short term signing such as a finished Sanchez and Young from us. Name me one youngish player he's nurtured?
- Your argument doesn't quite work in this sense. Jose also didn't need 3 years to win a title at Chelsea.
- By prime, you mean he won a title in a weakened Italian league. His prime was up to 2017. His style wouldn't be able to compete against the likes of Klopp, Guardiola or Tuchel.
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-We hired a DOF, so unless we literally ignore their job, we won't be changing the squad based on managers.
-Point 2 is cool, but I don't see Conte as being anymore defensive than Ole. I agree a more "hip" coach may be better, but I don't see the situation lasting until the offseason to hire the "perfect candidate". Conte is available now and our squad is good enough to win now
-True, I but our squad is filled with promising youngsters, he can't just ignore them. He won the league with Victor Moses, no reason he can't utilize players with more promising futures. I think he signed Pobga from us when he was at Juventus anyways. Plus we have plenty of older players already, we're not just a team with young players anymore. May as well use that advantage.
-Jose bombed out of his last job with Chelsea after winning the league. Plus he bombs out with the players everywhere he went. Conte doesn't. his former squads keep winning/Inter are being dismantled because of owners
-Maybe, but Ole's isn't. look at the mini-table against the big clubs last year.

Like I get people are apprehensive of it, but are you really so risk averse that you're okay with the current status quo?
 
DOTA said:
With every post in this thread the likelihood of someone posting a team with Sancho at RWB increases.

I believe we can get there.
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That's basically where this 'hire now, think tomorrow' ideology leads to, yeah. It's only a matter of time.
 
andersj said:
He actually won it in 2017, competing with both Klopp and Pep. He took 93 points with a side that was not that good. When Hiddink left Chelsea the summer Conte took over he warned that the squad was a wreck, and that they needed time for a rebuild. The manner in which Conte managed to find and create solutions all over the pitch is up there as one of the most impressive feats I’ve seen from a coach/manager the past decade.
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Flytan said:
-We hired a DOF, so unless we literally ignore their job, we won't be changing the squad based on managers.
-Point 2 is cool, but I don't see Conte as being anymore defensive than Ole. I agree a more "hip" coach may be better, but I don't see the situation lasting until the offseason to hire the "perfect candidate". Conte is available now and our squad is good enough to win now
-True, I but our squad is filled with promising youngsters, he can't just ignore them. He won the league with Victor Moses, no reason he can't utilize players with more promising futures. I think he signed Pobga from us when he was at Juventus anyways. Plus we have plenty of older players already, we're not just a team with young players anymore. May as well use that advantage.
-Jose bombed out of his last job with Chelsea after winning the league. Plus he bombs out with the players everywhere he went. Conte doesn't. his former squads keep winning/Inter are being dismantled because of owners
-Maybe, but Ole's isn't. look at the mini-table against the big clubs last year.

Like I get people are apprehensive of it, but are you really so risk averse that you're okay with the current status quo?
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- The whole point of a DoF is to have a requirement for a particular style of play. It has to be consistent. This is why Barcelona would only go for similar coaches regardless of their repution. Same with Ajax. A DoF can't decide on getting Conte, then fire him and get a tiki. I find it weird when people use "hip". No, it's getting a manager to fit the long-term style we want not some quick turnaround manager. This is repeating the same mistakes which Woodward made in the last 8 years. Stick to one approach and build on it.
- I never said Ole was entertaining. There are managers that could be available at the end of the season who will be a more suitable fit for us and play more entertaining football.
- Fair enough about your point. Nothing to argue here.
- I don't know much about this. Either Conte would be seen as shorter-term solution. Like when signed Jose, we need to make adjustments for him to bring his players. Quite a negligent approach to yo-yo.
- As I said, I'm keen on Ole to be upgraded. But I want a longer term approach that builds on the set of players we have. I don't want excuses like I heard for Ole, Jose, Moyes, Van Gaal, 'give him time to get his own squad'. We are possibly a right back and deep-lying playmaker away from being a Champions League challenging team. Ole has fixed the machine well, but now we need someone who can run that machine. What we don't need is someone who will dismantle the machine to fit his style.
 
These Conte fanboys are the new Mourinho fanboys we saw around 2016. Where's the long term thinking?
 
the chameleon said:
- The whole point of a DoF is to have a requirement for a particular style of play. It has to be consistent. This is why Barcelona would only go for similar coaches regardless of their repution. Same with Ajax. A DoF can't decide on getting Conte, then fire him and get a tiki. I find it weird when people use "hip". No, it's getting a manager to fit the long-term style we want not some quick turnaround manager. This is repeating the same mistakes which Woodward made in the last 8 years. Stick to one approach and build on it.
- I never said Ole was entertaining. There are managers that could be available at the end of the season who will be a more suitable fit for us and play more entertaining football.
- Fair enough about your point. Nothing to argue here.
- I don't know much about this. Either Conte would be seen as shorter-term solution. Like when signed Jose, we need to make adjustments for him to bring his players. Quite a negligent approach to yo-yo.
- As I said, I'm keen on Ole to be upgraded. But I want a longer term approach that builds on the set of players we have. I don't want excuses like I heard for Ole, Jose, Moyes, Van Gaal, 'give him time to get his own squad'. We are possibly a right back and deep-lying playmaker away from being a Champions League challenging team. Ole has fixed the machine well, but now we need someone who can run that machine. What we don't need is someone who will dismantle the machine to fit his style.
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This is my biggest thing, I don't want to waste the season by just having "Ole at the wheel". I'd rather take a shot with Conte coming here and maybe winning something this year before it's too late instead of just punting away the problem until next season. I do agree there are better fits if it was the offseason but I just don't want to wait that long.

the chameleon said:
These Conte fanboys are the new Mourinho fanboys we saw around 2016. Where's the long term thinking?
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There is no long term thinking in 2021. Tuchel came in and won the UCL with the same squad Lampard had. Pep goes everywhere and wins immediately. There's no reason we need to give a manager 4 years+ to win anything. Especially with our investment.
 
Flytan said:
Conte doesn't need 3 seasons. Look at how quickly he won the title at Chelsea and Inter. It's not a 180, in fact I'd say our players are equally a fit for Conte as any other manager (granted some good ones may miss games and we'd have a glaring hole at RWB). This isn't Jose. Conte hasn't had a meltdown and left multiple clubs in bad shape. Yeah sure, he pisses off the board, but I'm not sure why you wouldn't want a manager who does that.
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If any manager wanted this current United squad to play 352 they'd have more problems that just right wing back.
 
the chameleon said:
These Conte fanboys are the new Mourinho fanboys we saw around 2016. Where's the long term thinking?
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I'm against Conte because I hate the 352 but the long term thinking argument isn't a good one. United currently don't play a brand of football particularly different to what Conte likes and Ole routinely uses a 352 during big games.
 
andersj said:
He actually won it in 2017, competing with both Klopp and Pep. He took 93 points with a side that was not that good. When Hiddink left Chelsea the summer Conte took over he warned that the squad was a wreck, and that they needed time for a rebuild. The manner in which Conte managed to find and create solutions all over the pitch is up there as one of the most impressive feats I’ve seen from a coach/manager the past decade.
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2016/17 Pep and Klopp, who had considerably weaker teams than they do now.
 
Flytan said:
This is my biggest thing, I don't want to waste the season by just having "Ole at the wheel". I'd rather take a shot with Conte coming here and maybe winning something this year before it's too late instead of just punting away the problem until next season. I do agree there are better fits if it was the offseason but I just don't want to wait that long.



There is no long term thinking in 2021. Tuchel came in and won the UCL with the same squad Lampard had. Pep goes everywhere and wins immediately. There's no reason we need to give a manager 4 years+ to win anything. Especially with our investment.
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There's no long-term, but it's best avoid short-term (your reply implies you just think for the immediate moment - get him now, we'll deal with chaos later). We've dealt with 8 years of mediocrity. You can't wait a season to get the right fit? Despite our frustration, I don't see us not qualifying for Champions League. I'd rather wait a season and get a more suitable coach in the summer.
 
I thinks there is confusion here. I would rather have Conte than Ole but in the event that Ole gets sacked I would be interested in us signing one of those "hipster" managers. A manager that will implement a style of play that is currently being implemented by most of the top teams. It's sad to be a United fan and have to envy fecking Brightons style of play.
 
For me, the manager should be someone who can bring out the best in his players. Conte comfortably won the league with Victor Moses and Alonso as his wingbacks. What were people's thoughts on Milner and Henderson before Klopp took over at Liverpool?

There is DOF to handle long term squad planning. Go too long without winning anything substantial under the excuse of "rebuilding" for years and years, the club starts to lose its attraction to the players (and fans).

Conte has in fact not left his teams in shambles. Well, Inter looked like they were in shambles during the past summer but that was entirely due to the ownership and also what triggered Conte to leave. I also would not mind a manager who speaks up when he needs to against Glazers instead of a yes man.

I'm not even really sure what Ole is doing that is so uniquely "United Way" (TM). Him keep saying it doesn't mean anything. The signings made during his tenure have mostly been high profile signings also coveted by other clubs, and none of them have really exceeded expectations aside from Bruno, and even he was the best player in Portugal who was carrying his team when he signed.
 
With Ole it seems we our trying to chase a SAF manager that will last for years but that isn’t possible even years ago nevermind now. But I feel we need a Pep/Klopp manager that has a style and will be a success for a few years.

Conte is the opposite, he might come here do really well(even win the league) but he is a short term manager. Most only want him just because they want better than Ole and yes Conte is a fantastic manager it would be a mistake for me.
 
the chameleon said:
There's no long-term, but it's best avoid short-term (your reply implies you just think for the immediate moment - get him now, we'll deal with chaos later). We've dealt with 8 years of mediocrity. You can't wait a season to get the right fit? Despite our frustration, I don't see us not qualifying for Champions League. I'd rather wait a season and get a more suitable coach in the summer.
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I don't think Conte is short term. I don't see Mourinho when I see him. Mourinho literally turns the squad against each other and leaves his clubs in disarray. Conte doesn't. His previous clubs perform well after he leaves. I don't think he can unravel the club like you seem to think he will. And frankly the club has taken the safe way out for every single one of these managers. Allowing SAF to appoint Moyes, hiring LVG as a stop gap to Giggs, Mourinho as he was free and considered one of the best in the world at the time, and then Ole after he won a few games as interim because of the vibes. I'd like to see some chaos and do something that is considered a bit of a risk. Stop just punting away seasons.
 
the chameleon said:
There's no long-term, but it's best avoid short-term (your reply implies you just think for the immediate moment - get him now, we'll deal with chaos later). We've dealt with 8 years of mediocrity. You can't wait a season to get the right fit? Despite our frustration, I don't see us not qualifying for Champions League. I'd rather wait a season and get a more suitable coach in the summer.
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Interestingly that's not how clubs like Juventus, Bayern, Real Madrid or even Chelsea operate and they have all been consistently successful. People fetishize long term based on anomalies.
 
Flytan said:
I don't think Conte is short term. I don't see Mourinho when I see him. Mourinho literally turns the squad against each other and leaves his clubs in disarray. Conte doesn't. His previous clubs perform well after he leaves. I don't think he can unravel the club like you seem to think he will. And frankly the club has taken the safe way out for every single one of these managers. Allowing SAF to appoint Moyes, hiring LVG as a stop gap to Giggs, Mourinho as he was free and considered one of the best in the world at the time, and then Ole after he won a few games as interim because of the vibes. I'd like to see some chaos and do something that is considered a bit of a risk. Stop just punting away seasons.
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Apart from Juventus in his native country and a club he played for, name me a club he has stayed long-term? Forget the long term, I'm happy if we had a manager for a year or two if it meant he built on what Ole has started (which he can't implement). I want us to work compounding and stacking up what we've built. Hiring any new manager involves some form of risk. Moyes was a risk, LVG was a risk, Jose was a risk, Ole was less of a risk because we were already dog shit at the time. Giving a new contract was a risk. Hiring Conte is a risk. Getting the next Klopp would be risk too. It's taking risks that we can compound on and build momentum. Conte is not the right fit.
 
JPRouve said:
Interestingly that's not how clubs like Juventus, Bayern, Real Madrid or even Chelsea operate and they have all been consistently successful. People fetishize long term based on anomalies.
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But why are they not in transition for the last 8 years? This is first time since Fergie we have built a decent squad. We need to compound on that. Not rebuild with every new type of manager. There's no point rushing and firing Ole for Content 'for immediate gains', which may not even happen. There will be plenty of names available names in the summer. It's hardly fetishising over the long-term as you stated.
 
the chameleon said:
But why are they not in transition for the last 8 years? This is first time since Fergie we have built a decent squad. We need to compound on that. Not rebuild with every new type of manager. There's no point rushing and firing Ole for Content 'for immediate gains', which may not even happen. There will be plenty of names available names in the summer. It's hardly fetishising over the long-term as you stated.
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Because United relied on an all powerful manager and weren't structured to do things without him. That's the massive downside of aiming for that kind of structure, when the long term manager leaves you are deep trouble, the same applied to Arsenal. Also you are not getting a manager known for long term this summer or during any future summers, at least not a good one.
 
Ten Haag all day for me
 
JPRouve said:
Because United relied on an all powerful manager and weren't structured to do things without him. That's the massive downside of aiming for that kind of structure, when the long term manager leaves you are deep trouble, the same applied to Arsenal. Also you are not getting a manager known for long term this summer or during any future summers, at least not a good one.
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I think you are missing my point. I'm talking about having a consistent philosophy and building on it. Ole wanted to play a fast attacking and pressing style of football (he wasn't able to implement this style due to incompetence and lack of coaching and tactical nous). But he has assembled since 2018 a squad that is nearly there. We are not relying one manager here. We are now looking for managers who can take what Ole has done and build on it. Thats my point. I'm not talking about a centralised system with one manager, more a structure that builds on a fast, free-flowing style of football. My point is Conte isn't right fit for this. Unless we want to tear the book up and start the rebuild cycle again.
 
the chameleon said:
I think you are missing my point. I'm talking about having a consistent philosophy and building on it. Ole wanted to play a fast attacking and pressing style of football (he wasn't able to implement this style due to incompetence and lack of coaching and tactical nous). But he has assembled since 2018 a squad that is nearly there. We are not relying one manager here. We are now looking for managers who can take what Ole has done and build on it. Thats my point. I'm not talking about a centralised system with one manager, more a structure that builds on a fast, free-flowing style of football. My point is Conte isn't right fit for this. Unless we want to tear the book up and start the rebuild cycle again.
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I could understand your point if we had a team that specialized in that kind of football but we don't and from a stylistic standpoint I don't see how this team doesn't fit Conte or pretty much any manager that doesn't focus on possession. The one thing that this team isn't built for is possession Football and even then it can be fixed with one or two key signings.
One of the beauty of Ole's job is that he helped create a backbone that is on paper malleable and the issue seems to be that he isn't the man to make something serious out of it.

And to be clear, I'm not arguing in favor of Conte, my point is that outside of personal preferences there is no solid argument against Conte based on style or long term vision that don't apply to someone like Ten Haag or any manager that may be available this summer, all of them will have to bring something that the team currently doesn't have.
 
JPRouve said:
I could understand your point if we had a team that specialized in that kind of football but we don't and from a stylistic standpoint I don't see how this team doesn't fit Conte or pretty much any manager that doesn't focus on possession. The one thing that this team isn't built for is possession Football and even then it can be fixed with one or two key signings.
One of the beauty of Ole's job is that he helped create a backbone that is on paper malleable and the issue seems to be that he isn't the man to make something serious out of it.
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Yup.

If anything, this is a better squad than Conte walked the Premier League with (37 league appearances for Gary Cahill that season, 34 for Victor Moses, 33 for David Luiz, 34 for Willian). I see no reason to assume he'll just want to rip it apart and bring in some journeymen to play wingback or whatever (maybe he even fulfills another long-held RedCafe dream and sticks Fred at LWB!)
 
JPRouve said:
I could understand your point if we had a team that specialized in that kind of football but we don't and from a stylistic standpoint I don't see how this team doesn't fit Conte or pretty much any manager that doesn't focus on possession. The one thing that this team isn't built for is possession Football and even then it can be fixed with one or two key signings.
One of the beauty of Ole's job is that he helped create a backbone that is on paper malleable and the issue seems to be that he isn't the man to make something serious out of it.

And to be clear, I'm not arguing in favor of Conte, my point is that outside of personal preferences there is no solid argument against Conte based on style or long term vision that don't apply to someone like Ten Haag or any manager that may be available this summer, all of them will have to bring something that the team currently doesn't have.
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You make some good points on the job Ole has done in terms of making it malleable. Now it's more a case of the next manager putting that together. Some will want to choose Conte, not for me. Depends on the direction the club wants to take on the playing style. I know that I would prefer an attacking style that entertains.
 
Brexit_Brigade said:
Yup.

If anything, this is a better squad than Conte walked the Premier League with (37 league appearances for Gary Cahill that season, 34 for Victor Moses, 33 for David Luiz, 34 for Willian). I see no reason to assume he'll just want to rip it apart and bring in some journeymen to play wingback or whatever (maybe he even fulfills another long-held RedCafe dream and sticks Fred at LWB!)
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Conte made that Chelsea side seem better than it was as player for player they weren’t as good as people seem to think they were. He is the best at getting the most out of players for one big push at the league.
 
My worry about Conte isn't his style of play or formation, it's the transfers. Why would anyone want to go back to being linked with the likes of Willian and Perisic type of players
 
the chameleon said:
Apart from Juventus in his native country and a club he played for, name me a club he has stayed long-term? Forget the long term, I'm happy if we had a manager for a year or two if it meant he built on what Ole has started (which he can't implement). I want us to work compounding and stacking up what we've built. Hiring any new manager involves some form of risk. Moyes was a risk, LVG was a risk, Jose was a risk, Ole was less of a risk because we were already dog shit at the time. Giving a new contract was a risk. Hiring Conte is a risk. Getting the next Klopp would be risk too. It's taking risks that we can compound on and build momentum. Conte is not the right fit.
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I mean even if he leaves it doesn't matter. He doesn't leave clubs in bad shape so even if he's only here for a year or two and quits who cares. Managers rarely ever stay somewhere long term anymore, look at the most successful clubs like bayern and Madrid. They change managers all the time. Stop trying to recreate SAF in 2021
 
No one is going to be talking about playing styles and 352 formations when Maguire is lifting big ears at the end of next season.
 
I think we need too be really careful not to go for a short term fix next. Ole has done a great job and reached his ceiling IMO. Can we find the right manager to manage Man United and play football that I want to watch
 
Some of you need a mental break if you really think Conte would be even a decent fit at United. Mindboggling. Would rather see Zidane, Mancini, or Ten Haag, or someone else. Conte should not be in the conversation.
 
The thing I hated in the last few years was we never had a plan. We rightfully sacked LVG but then brought in Jose which is stupid. LVG made us a possession based team so we needed to hire a manager with that style, instead we went the opposite and brought in Jose.

You then see City preparing for Pep and Liverpool investing into Klopp style while we just hire for the sake of it.

This is the reason I wouldn’t take Conte, yes he’s a great manager and yes he’s better than Ole but it would make no sense in the long run. We be better off hiring Potter as a example
 
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The thing I hated in the last few years was we never had a plan. We rightfully sacked LVG but then brought in Jose which is stupid. LVG made us a possession based team so we needed to hire a manager with that style, instead we went the opposite and brought in Jose.

You then see City preparing for Pep and Liverpool investing into Klopp style while we just hire for the sake of it.

This is the reason I wouldn’t take Conte, yes he’s a great manager and yes he’s better than Ole but it would make no sense in the long run. We be better off hiring Potter as a example
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Very good point here, we let every manager build his own team but don't make sure that we hire managers whose philosophy of football is somewhat similar, which is a problem and also the reason we seemingly have to rebuild the team every 3 years or so.
 
Maybe the wrong thread for this, but I can see majority of posts against Conte is because he is not a long term manager. I'm not necessarily pro-Conte but it seems like we are obsessed with finding a manager for the long term until we let top managers like Tuchel slip away to our rivals. Yes we have been spoiled by Fergie's longevity and that is why we keep longing for a similar sentiment but in reality it doesn't work like that. We need to adapt with the times. As a big club, we cannot afford to keep dithering about and let golden opportunities slip away. Doesn't matter whether it will be short term or long term appointment, we need someone who can deliver us trophies as soon as possible to re-develop our champions mentality and to bring back the fear factor. Us being obsessed with hiring "long term managers" thinking that it will bring stability within the club is a myth IMO and it led us to hiring Moyes and LVG. We are a big enough club like Real Madrid and Bayern, and they have no qualms about sacking underperforming managers and still manages to maintain their stability. I have no clue where this myth came about our club being "like a ship in rocky seas" or "we need to go back to the drawing board", whenever we replace a manager.
 
No ,No and No
Erik Hen Taag at Ajax would be the best choice for me now.
 
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