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Would you take Conte at United?
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Why do I feel like he leaves clubs in worse conditions than when he takes over? Is that even true?
I think he is a FANTASTIC manager but I do have some reservations.
I think he is a FANTASTIC manager but I do have some reservations.
Why are they crazy?
- Conte means doing another 180 turn.
- Buying players to fit his boring style of play
- compromising on the development of a variety of our young players
- restarting the narrative of ‘give him 3 seasons to build his own team’
- we did this with Jose, there’s no guarantee that we’ll be in a better position than 2nd.
- a defensive and dull style of play.
Instead, we need a coach to come in that can build on the progress we’ve made post Jose. There has been progress in terms of better personnel, now we need someone who can get these lads playing as a cohesive unit.
Klopp would have been great. Tuchel could have worked. What we can’t do is get someone in to undo the patient work that has been over the last 3 years. Unfortunately conte would undo this work.
Ten Haag is probably the only name I see good enough. If he weren’t ex Liverpool, even Steven Gerrard (as much as I dislike him) would be a better punt for us than conte.
Convince me I’m wrong!
I know. I wonder if some people just think “he’s Italian, so he’s defensive”. His teams are very good defensively but they‘re balanced all over and good going forward. His Chelsea team were very good to watch and Hazard rated him as the best attacking coach he’d had, especially the way he instructed and drilled his forward players.
There are downsides with him but I think he’s a very modern coach. I’d say his Chelsea side were actually better to watch than the current Tuchel one. Saying he’s like Mourinho, or even Simeone is just lazy...
Conte doesn't need 3 seasons. Look at how quickly he won the title at Chelsea and Inter. It's not a 180, in fact I'd say our players are equally a fit for Conte as any other manager (granted some good ones may miss games and we'd have a glaring hole at RWB). This isn't Jose. Conte hasn't had a meltdown and left multiple clubs in bad shape. Yeah sure, he pisses off the board, but I'm not sure why you wouldn't want a manager who does that.
Why are we?
The ones who said yes don't seem to understand the dynamics of our club. Can you honestly see Conte doing well under Woodward (until he goes), Glazers, Fletcher and Murtough?
All you lot do is look at a manager with a decent CV and think he will do. Conte would be a terrible fit for the club the way it currently is. But Ole outers just want Ole out that badly they don't seem to realise this.
Would he fit in with the hierarchy at our club? No chance. That's the end of it.
He’s left every club in good nick in terms of the squad, but sometimes on a sour note with owners. He left Juve close to the season because he wanted them to spend a bit more. At Chelsea he fell out over Diego Costa and the board signing dross. Inter’s owners went bust (effectively) so he was entitled to walk there.
You should want a manager that would be willing to challenge Woodward. Not to mention the "new board" seems to be doing a pretty good job according to fans anyways.
Conte under Glazers, Woodward (few more months) Fletcher and Murtough ???
I'm sorry but I'm not buying it. Think it would fail spectacularly actually. Just because he's got a good track record doesn't mean he can just go anywhere and it works. Our club is a bit unique in that regard.
Ole isn't going anywhere any time soon either but if he does leave at the end of the season I'd be more interested in a Ten Haag or somebody who plays good football. Think Conte is a good coach but there are better fits out there for our club and players.
One thing that really should've been learned from zig-zagging between different styles of manager is that it doesn't work. Conte would be the epitome of that kind of short-term logic.
If we're after a new manager, they need to have something in common with how we currently play. At the very least they need to play 4 at the back.
If we're after a new manager, they need to have something in common with how we currently play. At the very least they need to play 4 at the back.
How's Conte lining up with this squad? His system relies on attacking wing backs and tidy midfielders. The two areas we're probably weakest.
It would be a bizarre appointment and complete reversal on our current plans. If Ole isn't good enough, you give it to someone who can build upon the very good squad he has assembled. Not tear it apart and start again.
Correct.
Changing to a manager mid season who prefers 352 and plays a different style of football would be an absolute joke. It would show panic stations beyond belief.
They won't sack Ole mid season anyway. We should be more than good enough to stay in top 4 race and we reassess next summer if we don't do better than that / win a cup.
Talk of him leaving now is silly. It's not going to happen.
He has always improved the teams that he joined but he leaves with the board and himself personally upset.
It's not just about the message it sends - although you're right about it looking rushed - but, from a practical POV, how do the likes of Sancho, Greenwood, Rashford fit in a system without traditional wide men?
Imagine spending 2 years bleating on about wanting Sancho only to then bring in a manager who would struggle to even use him?
Madness.
Mourinho won the title in 14/15 a year later he was at United.
His transfer dealings are quite poor, but one thing he absolutely does is get the best out of what he has.
I see a lot of posts in here assuming by default that Conte is just going to come in, take a look at the squad, and say "right, I want wingbacks ASAP and we're playing 3-5-2, no two ways about it. Sancho sits on the bench all season, Fernandes plays up front or not at all, we're going back in for Ashley Young in January".
Do we have a basis for this beyond the fact that he's used 3 at the back formations (very successfully) at his last two clubs?
I'm fairly sure he didn't always play that way with Juve, for one. And when he switched to that 3-4-3 (not the same formation as Inter, FYI - you'd think Premier League fans in here would at least remember that) with Chelsea he did it by converting Victor literal Moses into a wing-back, which only led to them completely steamrollering the entire league because nobody had a clue how to deal with the shape for six months. That to me is a sign of a good tactician coming up with an innovative solution - not exactly the same as this notion a lot of you seem to have about a guy who'll just rip the squad apart and demand loads of new signings because he's hell-bent on playing rigid football in one specific shape.
I'm not even sure I want the guy because he is a bit of a c***, but let's at least give him credit for being one of the best tacticians around right now. As I said before: people saying things like "defensive dull football" clearly don't watch his teams.
Do we have a basis for this beyond the fact that he's used 3 at the back formations (very successfully) at his last two clubs?
I'm fairly sure he didn't always play that way with Juve, for one. And when he switched to that 3-4-3 (not the same formation as Inter, FYI - you'd think Premier League fans in here would at least remember that) with Chelsea he did it by converting Victor literal Moses into a wing-back, which only led to them completely steamrollering the entire league because nobody had a clue how to deal with the shape for six months. That to me is a sign of a good tactician coming up with an innovative solution - not exactly the same as this notion a lot of you seem to have about a guy who'll just rip the squad apart and demand loads of new signings because he's hell-bent on playing rigid football in one specific shape.
I'm not even sure I want the guy because he is a bit of a c***, but let's at least give him credit for being one of the best tacticians around right now. As I said before: people saying things like "defensive dull football" clearly don't watch his teams.
- Conte doesn't mean another 180 turn
- Boring style of play? Do you really find our current style is attractive?
- Young players who is good enough will play
- He doesn't need 3 years to make Chelsea champions
- He's still in his prime, just made Inter champions against all odds
- see point 2
the manager who bought Sancho don't have a clue either how to use him eitherHilarious. 'Yet to get the best out of' a £75m player isn't quite the same as 'wouldn't use him' though is it?
God knows how much hilarity you'll get out of that comment.
Ole doesn't have a clue currently on how to get the best out of Sancho it's obvious. The end product is the same, he don't play or don't play often enough.
Also, you have no idea whether Conte would be able to use him or not, and yet you already accused him of struggling to use him.
Where would Conte use Sancho in his preferred 3-5-2?
Conte doesn't play 3-5-2 and nothing else
He played a 3-4-3 at Chelsea with Pedro and Hazard to the sides of Costa. He used a 3-5-2 at Inter. At Juve and Chelsea he started off using a 4-2-4. The idea that he only plays 3-5-2 is just wrong.
It's his preferred formation. It was his go-to for both Juventus and Inter.
True, he tweaked it at Chelsea, but if you were analysing his formations over his entire managerial career, you'd conclude that 3-5-2 is his preferred formation. Which is a problem for a side that has tons of wide players, none of whom would be any use as wing-backs.
Maybe he'll used 3-4-3 like he did at Chelsea and flanked Ronaldo with Sancho and Rashford.
He's a good manager but the league's changed a lot since he won it in 2016. You now have two top managers in Pep and Guardiola there with strong teams, and you can probably add Chelsea with Tuchel too.
His style of play I can see getting found out a lot against those teams. He won the league last season at Inter but the competition was weak, players like Sanchez and Darmian were getting a lot of minutes. It won't be as easy in the PL. It could somehow work out but really I think it'd just be a repeat of Mourinho all over again.
His style of play I can see getting found out a lot against those teams. He won the league last season at Inter but the competition was weak, players like Sanchez and Darmian were getting a lot of minutes. It won't be as easy in the PL. It could somehow work out but really I think it'd just be a repeat of Mourinho all over again.
Yeah he was that upset with Emerson he tried to sign him again with Inter.
Some like Drinkwater were board signings but no way did he have no say in all of them.
No, those who want him are crazy (actually they're idiots but I get in trouble if I call people idiots)
I feel like all the discussions about hypotheticals are so pointless. “If Conte comes here, he will blah blah blah”. Some are peddling myths until they believe it to be true. Conte is mourinho mk2? Conte can’t work well with our board?? It’s incredible how some of you can spout hyphotheticals like these as if they’re facts. It sounds as if you personally know the bloke.
There’s only one way to truly find out , isn’t there? Chelsea applies the try now, know later approach. Look how well it turned out for them.I just wish Chelsea would dither with Lampard as much as we are currently doing with Ole.
There’s only one way to truly find out , isn’t there? Chelsea applies the try now, know later approach. Look how well it turned out for them.I just wish Chelsea would dither with Lampard as much as we are currently doing with Ole.
why would you want United to turn into Chelsea?
Wouldn't Hassenhuttl be a better fit?
There are way too many modern attack minded coaches available to go after Conte.
where in my post did I mention that I want us to turn into Chelsea? I was using Chelsea as a perfect example of ruthless decision making when it comes to replacing managers and signing players. Surely you want that for our club too?
Or if you’re happy just the way we are now, then I’ve got nothing more to add.
With every post in this thread the likelihood of someone posting a team with Sancho at RWB increases.
I believe we can get there.
I believe we can get there.
He also only played Emerson for 5 games while he had him, though.
Clearly not a first-choice signing, just like Drinkwater. Bakayoko was admittedly different because he was really highly rated at the time.
He actually won it in 2017, competing with both Klopp and Pep. He took 93 points with a side that was not that good. When Hiddink left Chelsea the summer Conte took over he warned that the squad was a wreck, and that they needed time for a rebuild. The manner in which Conte managed to find and create solutions all over the pitch is up there as one of the most impressive feats I’ve seen from a coach/manager the past decade.
- I disagree fully. Unless you're aware of something I don't know. We have made 180 turns each time we've hired a new manager, wasting years to give them the squad they want.
- Our current style isn't attractive by any means, but we have a squad and group of players that could be utilised for an attractive playing style by the right coach. The one good thing about Ole is that he's built a squad on the values of Man Utd, something a good attack-minded manager could really build on. A defensive coach will ruin that momentum.
- Fair enough, but you only find out when they play. Certain managers are better at nurturing young talent. Conte is a short term manager, who makes short term signing such as a finished Sanchez and Young from us. Name me one youngish player he's nurtured?
- Your argument doesn't quite work in this sense. Jose also didn't need 3 years to win a title at Chelsea.
- By prime, you mean he won a title in a weakened Italian league. His prime was up to 2017. His style wouldn't be able to compete against the likes of Klopp, Guardiola or Tuchel.
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