Of course you care what people have in their CVs. If Ole was to be sacked wouldn't you be concerned if we replaced him with Gary Rowett - Millwall's manager? And for Rowett to convince you that he is good enough for the job he'd have to perform so well that you will think "I can't imagine any other coach we can get doing better than this". That is what Pep and Zidane who had no CVs did. Is that what Ole has done? Can you really not imagine this team playing better and more tactically astute under a different manager?
Would you sack or keep Ole? (Poll reopened)
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I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt on Pogba but if it backfires he deserves to go. Big call.
This, to all who try to suggest anything comparing Ole to the great man.
De Gea and Pogba in the starting line up today. Many people would view that as a sackable offence, in the light of recent performances and a lack of a public response by the player to his agent's comments.
CV’s? Pfffft. Who cares about those. Surely we could just have a lucky dip of all season ticket holders and whoever wins becomes the next manager of Manchester United? They’d cost a lot less.
And remember all they would need is time.
Oh and as a fan they’d understand the United DNA. They'd bleed United. Bla bla bla.
Do you think Ferguson would have had 5-6 years if he was manager now? Be honest. Or do you think, looking at positions, people would demand sacking? This is not sayng Solskjaer is Ferguson.
VanGaal was hired because he was good coach. Absolutly.
Of course I would. Instantly. But if he came and we were showing progress, I don't care if he coached Millwall or Real Madrid.
I can imagine us playing better with other managers but also playing worse. Grass is not always greener on the other side. If I take me as example, I loved Mourinho taking over because I like him and still do (Even if I thought vanGaal should be given more time). But I was wrong looking on it. And I would say 99% of our fanbase. So it is not always that changing manager guarantee success.
Starting Pogba, the person who delibarately destroyed team morale before the most important game of our CL season, in the bloody Manchester derby. I’m okay with rebuilding taking time, setbacks, painful losses as long as I see some progress. But this is completely and utterly unacceptable and is as close to a sackable offense as it can get for me.
To be fair, that's not true. The quote is taken out of context, they told him in a sense that "We wish you to do so well over there that they hire you full time and you don't come back". I'm sure he's more than welcome there.
The fatal error you’ve made to your already absurd argument is the first question you pose here. By asking the question, you’re presumably trying to claim that the United of the pre SAF era is just the same as the United of the pre Ole era, i.e. the Fergie era
?Yet again, you’re making incomparable comparisons. You’re comparing football in 2020 to football in 1986. Absurd. You’re comparing (yet again for the umpteenth time) Ole and his track record with that of SAF’s. Absurd. You’re comparing Aberdeen winning a European Cup to Molde winning the Eliteserien. Absurd. I could go on.
So your questions are unanswerable.
Liverpool got the manager wrong loads too. Look at them now. Good thing they didn't just give up and settle on one of their worst managers and chose to give him time for no reason other than the fact that sacking managers hadn't worked before.
Anyway Hope we win today.
But if we don't and especially if we conceed first AGAIN can we please call this stupid experiment a day?
You are comparing Ole versus two managers that where successful elsewhere. Ole hasn't succeeded anything of note in his entire career.
So many fake statements with what I'm comparing and not comparing.The fatal error you’ve made to your already absurd argument is the first question you pose here. By asking the question, you’re presumably trying to claim that the United of the pre SAF era is just the same as the United of the pre Ole era, i.e. the Fergie era
Yet again, you’re making incomparable comparisons. You’re comparing football in 2020 to football in 1986. Absurd. You’re comparing (yet again for the umpteenth time) Ole and his track record with that of SAF’s. Absurd. You’re comparing Aberdeen winning a European Cup to Molde winning the Eliteserien. Absurd. I could go on.
So your questions are unanswerable.
Football is football.
Time is time.
Fair enough then. It's your opinion
Sir Alex built a legacy up north outfoxing the big two, whilst Ole was getting sacked in the championship... it’s not even comparable!
Klopp took a big step with Dortmund breaking Bayern’s dominance, honestly it’s not even close.
Winning in Norway doesn’t even come close.
Hence why Ole looks soo incredibly out of his depth and will be sacked soon.
Why would you use the time frame of 5-6 years? I feel like you're just arguing for the sake of it. Let's just hope the good version of United turn up, kick off any second
There wasn’t one fake statement as you put it. You asked if SAF would be sacked right now and with no other considerations. So the presumption has to be the exact same conditions preceding the sacking. I.e. the era before each managerial stint being the exact same.
I.e. complete and utter effing boll*cks.
I can give an answer.
Last season's summary
Last season we were having a terrible season up to the point Bruno arrived. 5th on 34 points, closer to the bottom half than top 4, and had never been in the top 4 once. Breaking 30 year old negative records. The points total we ended up finishing on (66), wouldn't have made top 4 in 5/6 last seasons. With help from the Covid break getting our seriously injured players back (Rashford + Pogba), we managed to get top 4 in the end, securing CL football. So he managed to save himself, for this season. But I wouldn't count it as a success. Because Mourinho finished 6th with us on 69 previously which we didn't count as successful.
This season's expectations
This season, I'm looking for him to prove that what happened last season, was an anomaly and that we will be much better this season.
It's his 2nd full season, he's had 4 windows and spent £270m.
Mid 70's points is what usually gets top 4, so I think it's reasonable to expect that. That would be a clear improvement. I'm looking to see consistency in the performances, not waiting until the 2nd half to begin playing, to see a way of attacking that doesn't solely rely on Bruno's shoulders.
No reason why midfield options of Bruno, Pogba, Van de Beek, Matic, Fred with Rashford, Martial, Cavani shouldn't be able to produce a progressive style of building up, and chance creation. So I want to see evidence of that.
I want to see everyone clearly knowing their roles, in possession and out of possession. When we're pressed high, we've got solutions, when we face low blocks, we know what to do etc etc.
We haven't played the same 11 in consecutive matches once this season, so I want to see consistency there, giving us a foundation to build upon.
That's the gist of what I'm looking for. If we're not getting any of that from him, then I think it's fair for him to not deserve another season.
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I thought we sacked Jose Mourinho? 
That could be a compliment or an insultI thought we sacked Jose Mourinho?
I'll give Ole and the staff credit, that's a good shape and discipline he's got the team in. Whether it can stay like for 90 minutes is another matter He is just not good enough. We are not playing badly and defending well, but you can see which side is better coached.
The poll seriously needs a refresh. It was last reopened in September 2019. Half the voters probably don’t even frequent the caf anymore.
As interim manager. If you think an interim has that sort of power you're on some strong stuff.
Compare them to LVG and Jose then. The fans were still baying for their blood even when LVG won the FA Cup. Explain that in relation to his post.
City are there for the taking, not half as good as a year or two ago. Ole happy with a draw though.
Cowardly display.
Just like Chelsea and arsenal before we play for the draw.
We look so timid. Can’t fault the system but the players don’t look up for it which I put down to the manager
We look so timid. Can’t fault the system but the players don’t look up for it which I put down to the manager
Imagine being satisfied with this shite. LVG, Jose and Moyes would be getting flattened.
Yea, City looks garbage but we’ve been trying to look worse.
Can we stop with this nonsense. So many parrots on this forum, just because one person said cowardly you all want to jump on using the same word.
After the issues mid week if we go gung-ho in this game and get thumped three nil then where would that leave us? We are playing arguably the best team in the premier league for the last decade under arguably the best manager in the world at this moment in time and you lot expect us to play champagne football (which is how we nearly got the penalty btw) and romp to an easy win.
Times like this that you need to have a good hard think about why some other fan bases think our fan base is spoilt and entitled...
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Is their team worse than ours though? It is widely agreed that their manager is better so why do we expect to thrash them?
Look if people want Ole out then this display is certainly not going to convince them otherwise and that's fine, they might well be right! However, the number of posters spouting nonsense to try and push their agenda is laughable. I'm sure RAWK are enjoying it...
Since I have no more posts I will just say this. It hasn't been a great game... it isn't where we wan to be especially at home, but lately we have been getting thumped in the first half by every team we play and cannot buy a win at home so if we want to talk about considering teams in the moment, where is all this expectation coming from?
If you want Ole out tonight probably backs you up, but it was a tough game and on paper and on the pitch City have beaten us enough times without being at their best for us to know that well and you would think approach the game with some trepidation especially on current form!
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Cowardly response
This is not that same team.
That’s like talking about the United side of Moyes and holding them up as “the reigning premier league champions”; it might technically be true but it doesn’t tell the story of the moment.
Pathetic, spineless, clueless......so what's new?
The ‘if we win our game in hand we are 2pts off top’ argument is now lost.
We’ll probably play for a draw.
Get. Him. Gone.
Pathetic cowardly mindset just like Ole. Best team? They are no longer the same City under Pep in the last two seasons. They've been so inconsistent and we have their numbers in recent years. If we want to win, we can get a result but Ole's cowardly tactics would give Jose a run for his money.
I mean that's a completely different point to what the poster was asking but it's a pretty simple and logical answer. They did not perform well enough...
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