Far from obvious for this forum. There is as much disagreement about Poch as Ole. Ole out is pointless until an obviously superior candidate emerges. Right now they all have jobs. Making what is essentially a lateral shift accomplishes nothing.
Would you sack or keep Ole? (Poll reopened)
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Far from obvious for this forum. There is as much disagreement about Poch as Ole. Ole out is pointless until an obviously superior candidate emerges. Right now they all have jobs. Making what is essentially a lateral shift accomplishes nothing.
Under the current management we had a great defensive record until recently. I would say it’s very likely that we’ll improve a lot. Maybe not overnight. We’ll see.
We have to wait till May but i guess it's a season. Meanwhile you hire a loser , he manage like a loser and stay as a loser ,there is no surprise here.For example If you think smiling after losing is a good man management and good for players mentality then i don't know what to say , the players would be thinking it's okay to lose a game , our manager laughed it off on tv. Smiling after losing send all the wrong messages to the dressing room. You have to be toxic when you lose , you have to throw tantrum when you lose so the players know you don't tolerate losing , you have to criticize players publicly if they don't play up to your standards, this is what a good man management looks like, if the players couldn't handle that and went crying to the media instead of trying to prove the coach wrong , then they don't have what it takes to be a winner and the manager must get rid of them no matter how good their youtube highlights is.
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But apparently it doesn’t matter. Whether it’s progress or not is dictated by how the other teams do, not our own performance on the pitch.
The only disagreement about Poch is coming from Ole supporters really, trying so hard to prove Poch isn't better than Ole and won't do more than him just to shield the blame from Ole. This is all in it. Before hiring Ole and during Mourinho years, Poch was pretty much Caf's darling and the example to say managers don't need high budget to perform. Everyone turned on him once Ole was hired and he started to become a candidate by many to get the job.
Any sensible logic says Poch is far superior to Ole and will be the right step going forward.
Hiring Poch or Nagelsmann or Rose or even Brentan fecking Rodgers is not a "lateral shift" from Ole.
Doesn't matter what your views are on any of them, they'd all represent a massive, massive step up. They would all get much more from our current squad of players. The key is picking the right one at the right moment (which we obviously will not do).
Yeah could definitely believe that Woody won't pull the trigger because he doesn't want to admit he got it wrong
I think it’s pretty clear that after numerous managers since Gill and Ferguson left, some of them with huge reputations, the issue is not limited to the manager, coaching staff, and players.
Sure we can pick issues in what all the managers did. And sure, they may well not be the right guys. But we will continue to fool ourselves if we think replacing the manager will ultimately fix the issue.
Gill and Ferguson had unique authority and unique gravitas to be able control the wider aspect of managing a football team. The same can’t be said about our current executive and manager. But, to that point, without that gravitas a football club can’t be run in the way we used to be run when we had those guys. And it’s that fact that is coming to light time and time again regardless of manager and coaching staff and players. It’s this that we must fix if we want to return to consistently being around the top of the league.
Whether Ole should be sacked is by the by in my opinion. It’s a question which is secondary to the fixes we need to make in how we more broadly operate as a football club.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. Until we modernise and have a proper structure in place to manage everything from transfers, scouting, football strategy and philosophy etc., we will continue to ultimately fail in comparison to clubs which have embraced this new way of operating. A new way which is necessary because having managers like Ferguson who had the respect and authority to be able to control aspects of the club is not something that’ll repeat any time soon.
Sure we can pick issues in what all the managers did. And sure, they may well not be the right guys. But we will continue to fool ourselves if we think replacing the manager will ultimately fix the issue.
Gill and Ferguson had unique authority and unique gravitas to be able control the wider aspect of managing a football team. The same can’t be said about our current executive and manager. But, to that point, without that gravitas a football club can’t be run in the way we used to be run when we had those guys. And it’s that fact that is coming to light time and time again regardless of manager and coaching staff and players. It’s this that we must fix if we want to return to consistently being around the top of the league.
Whether Ole should be sacked is by the by in my opinion. It’s a question which is secondary to the fixes we need to make in how we more broadly operate as a football club.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. Until we modernise and have a proper structure in place to manage everything from transfers, scouting, football strategy and philosophy etc., we will continue to ultimately fail in comparison to clubs which have embraced this new way of operating. A new way which is necessary because having managers like Ferguson who had the respect and authority to be able to control aspects of the club is not something that’ll repeat any time soon.
He needs to request a specialist defensive coach because his assistants clearly aren't up to the task
Yeah you are absolutely spot on about things not significantly improving even with a new manager due to the diabolical structure above him
It's mental for anyone not to doubt Ole's abilities. I'll give it to him for winning 2 trophies with Molde but that was 7 years ago!! And then he relegated Cardiff and did poorly as well while in the championship. Change his name and will Ole inners actually think it's going to be easy for others to just trust someone with this type of CV to manage the biggest club in the world? What exactly has he done to earn that trust since he's been here. What exactly has he done for me to say "I'm sure someone more qualified than him wouldn't do a better job". Any massively underqualified person put in charge of a major role in an organisation would constantly have eyes on him and to clear those doubts he needs to not just surpass his predecessors but also give people the impression that no other potential candidate for the job can do better
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What an incredibly strange rant
The problem with this club is that the higher ups are just reactive. If the RBL coach decides to leave his club tomorrow. Our club will do nothing, they will keep Ole until he is mathematically out of top 4 and then see what is available then.
A proper club will start to negotiate with the best candidates even in jobs. More money can entice almost any manager.
How long do you think you’d need? And what are your explanations for the level of performances we’re putting in and some of the really poor football we’re playing? What, in your view, is going wrong or is going right?
Yes, most manager are POACHED.
Pep/Jose/SAF/etc knew before their last match that this will be their last game.
It couldn’t hurt.
Without claiming to know a thing about who does what, I do think the coaching team looks light on paper.
This is a key point right here. Match going fans were all in for Moyes and Jose even when they should have been most definitely sacked.
Ole is a club legend and a fan favourite. If Ole makes it to the time crowds return in full, he is going to be very difficult to sack.
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First of all, good post. There are a lot of points in there where I think we see things differently but who is to say which of us are nearer to the truth.
The bit around United being afraid to pull the trigger is concerning to me. I read a lot of posts on here which suggest some pretty wild theories about why the club haven't sacked Ole yet. Yours isn't so wild, but it also doesn't really tie in with a club that gave Fergusons Chosen One less than a season. That sacked LVG after winning a trophy, and were pretty swift in disposing of Jose when it was clear that his time was up. That doesn't sound like a board that would all of a sudden be concerned about some negative PR that would come and go quickly.
'Afraid of looking foolish' 'Ole takes the flak so they don't have to' 'they love having a yes man in charge'
These things are mentioned regularly on here. People who come up with these ideas are so firmly entrenched in their Ole out belief that they can't entertain the most logical and obvious reason why the board haven't sacked Ole yet - they don't want to! Its just that simple.
Been a season ticket holder @FatherWolff since the 90’s, and obviously I therefore know a tonne of ST holders, it’s why I’ve always been one of the most active in the ticketing threads.
@Sultan also.
Don’t be giving us this bullshit that all matchgoing fans are fully behind Ole, it’s at best 50/50 I’d say, likely much worse for Ole from my experience. To a man, every single season ticket holder I know thinks he’s not up to it. We however, would never be arseholes in the stadium; in the pub before and after, but United fans are good like that, we have been for every manager. We rightfully show him support in the stadium.
What’s your experience Sults of the ST holders you know?
Especially if he keeps winning... so it will obviously all depends on results.
This is such a weak statement then explain the recent success of Bayern ? Got rid of an underperforming manager in favour of someone with a vision and the rest is history. The most moronic ideal on this forums is that only Ole is suitable to manage this club. I don't believe Ole should be sacked now but he's certainly not a safer bet like Pep or Klopp to provide us with a foundation to build success from. This team isn't improving, there's nothing in Solskjaers remit to suggest giving him time is a feasible option for him to become successful.
He started the job with inconsistency he'll end his job with inconsistency. He's reached the height in the capacity of his management. Do you think every Portuguese footballer who can do step overs and is six feet tall is guaranteed to become Ronaldo, that's the level of sensationalism in logic from fans.
Not if the spaced out crowds continue to spectate like their watching golf.
So what you’re saying is Sir Alex the greatest manager of all time is the only one that could get more out of these players? Come on now you can’t believe that. There’s a few managers out there currently that could do better imo.
I don't understand this statement about Flick.
What was the vision when he was hired? Certainly not a public one, maybe he shared one during his job interview, which maybe Ole did.
His CV is literally:
- Viktoria Bammental (division 4), relegated to division 5. 2 years.
- 1899 Hoffenheim (division 4), reached division 3 in his first season, but failed to be promoted to division 2 for 4 consecutive years. Sacked.
- was briefly an assistant coach for Giovanni Trapattoni and Lothar Matthäus at Red Bull Salzburg.
- was the assistant coach of Germany national team, and at some point sporting director, for about 9 years?
And then, Bayern.
Are you telling me being an assistant coach of Low has made him somehow having a vision?
Being an assistant coach of Trapattoni? Never being able to promote a team to division 2 for 4 consecutive years? Relegating a division 4 team to division 5?
What in this made you think he would have a vision?
Unless he shared it explicitly, no one would know.
It's weird to suggest Flick has a vision, while Ole wouldn't have one (?!?), when they even play with very similar principles. But Bayern currently has better players, it does impact how you execute the plan sometimes.
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Those asking for Ole out are the losers? Are the losers not the ones accepting mediocrity and, ultimately, losing in the race for trophies? Most successful people I know are ruthless and wouldn't accept the type of performance Ole puts in within their line of business.
I'm a ST holder, by the way.
Those asking for Ole out are the losers? Are the losers not the ones accepting mediocrity and, ultimately, losing in the race for trophies? Most successful people I know are ruthless and wouldn't accept the type of performance Ole puts in within their line of business.
I'm a ST holder, by the way.
I don't know what people are watching to suggest no one would do any better and get more out of the players.
We're talking about a team that looks so often clueless in possession and has no defensive shape. It's not about the players anymore when we witness the same brainless mistakes and lack of preparation for almost every game.
We're talking about a team that looks so often clueless in possession and has no defensive shape. It's not about the players anymore when we witness the same brainless mistakes and lack of preparation for almost every game.
Let me explain the context of my post @Amerifan stated that sacking Ole is pointless unless a more qualified candidate is available. Bayern have shown that this isn't feasible and a underperforming manager can always be replaced with someone who has vision and a philosophy. You have thus proved the point I was trying to make in your understudy of how inept Flick would seem on the basis of his CV
. All your posts highlights is excuses, I watch football and you on the premise of your opinion clearly don't because there is absolutely nothing to identify in similarities between us and Bayern from a coaching and tactical perspective. This is the most laughable nonsense I've come across in a long time.
Bayern play with a high line, we absorb pressure, they interchange very well, we rely on individual brilliance, Flick has taught his players to utilise space, drop off when necessary, form the necessary patterns / shapes in play to breakdown the opposition, and so much more. Bayern are a very cohesive team.
Ole has the best United side we have amassed since Sir Alex retired, if he can't get his vision across with this team then he never will because we are never going to have 11 world class players to lead the team forward but that's the expectation of what's needed with Ole due to his inept management criteria.
Do I believe Solskjaer should be sacked now ? Absolutely not its too early in the season to even judge our present circumstances but people need to come off whatever drugs they are on, carrying on as if Solskjaer is the best thing since sliced bread to lead the club forward. While Ole inners are optimistic they lack objectivity.
Ole has done a great job of lowering expectations since he's been here.
I remember quite clearly his first few press conferences, talking about "the United way", Identify and how we shouldn't be afraid of any team because we're Man United.
Quite simply, he's a massive spoofer.
He's improved the squad but the calibre of players recruited for the prices paid is proving to be a huge let down, Maguire and AWB as a good example. He doesn't react well when the team starts poorly as has been a common theme all season.
People will say that because we're in 5th and 5 points off the top that everything is fine but it's not, it's as clear as day that he doesn't have the tactical nous or flexibility to be a success at United, not to mention the balls that top managers have, he's been too accomodating to DDG for too long and it proves what I just said.
Yes we look really good for 10-20 minutes of some games but that's more to do with having a pretty talented squad that clicks every now and then, it's most definitely not coached.
I remember quite clearly his first few press conferences, talking about "the United way", Identify and how we shouldn't be afraid of any team because we're Man United.
Quite simply, he's a massive spoofer.
He's improved the squad but the calibre of players recruited for the prices paid is proving to be a huge let down, Maguire and AWB as a good example. He doesn't react well when the team starts poorly as has been a common theme all season.
People will say that because we're in 5th and 5 points off the top that everything is fine but it's not, it's as clear as day that he doesn't have the tactical nous or flexibility to be a success at United, not to mention the balls that top managers have, he's been too accomodating to DDG for too long and it proves what I just said.
Yes we look really good for 10-20 minutes of some games but that's more to do with having a pretty talented squad that clicks every now and then, it's most definitely not coached.
Agreed. He said the same BS pre Leipzig to please the fans going on about the United way and stuff like that .. then goes and plays 7 defensive players against no striker. The guy is a fraud.
I dont know why people are still angry about being knocked out of the CL. He did not deceive any man utd fan about our outcome in the CL group stage, its written on his training jacket OGS= only group stage. Stop being spoiled brats and entitled. It is completely normal for a giant club like united, Madrid, Barcelona, and Munich to be knocked out from the group stages and not to fecking win a league title in 7 years.
Let me explain the context of my post @Amerifan stated that sacking Ole is pointless unless a more qualified candidate is available. Bayern have shown that this isn't feasible and a underperforming manager can always be replaced with someone who has vision and a philosophy. You have thus proved the point I was trying to make in your understudy of how inept Flick would seem on the basis of his CV
All your posts highlights is excuses, I watch football and you on the premise of your opinion clearly don't because there is absolutely nothing to identify in similarities between us and Bayern from a coaching and tactical perspective. This is the most laughable nonsense I've come across in a long time.
Bayern play with a high line, we absorb pressure, they interchange very well, we rely on individual brilliance, Flick has taught his players to utilise space, drop off when necessary, form the necessary patterns / shapes in play to breakdown the opposition, and so much more. Bayern are a very cohesive team.
Ole has the best United side we have amassed since Sir Alex retired, if he can't get his vision across with this team then he never will because we are never going to have 11 world class players to lead the team forward but that's the expectation of what's needed with Ole due to his inept management criteria.
Do I believe Solskjaer should be sacked now ? Absolutely not its too early in the season to even judge our present circumstances but people need to come off whatever drugs they are on, carrying on as if Solskjaer is the best thing since sliced bread to lead the club forward. While Ole inners are optimistic they lack objectivity.
This is what I think most Ole In posters are hoping for. One poster said to me last night that he thinks other managers would get more from this team, but he wants to see where this rebuild goes. I didn't respond because it's clear that they're hoping if we throw enough money at the situation, Ole will get dragged along by the team to some sort of trophies.
You forgot we are topping the league since Bruno came. These two stats means that nobody should doubt Ole. That we are progressing and while one could argue that is true you simply can't argue that it is enough to stop people from having serious doubts about Ole. Why? Because Ole simply has nothing in his CV to suggest that he can take us back to glory and has done nothing in his time here to suggest that other managers cannot do better
Good post. Just to be clear, all of this is not aimed at you, but i found this one worth highlighting
The manager does not have full autonomy though, we have the infamous transfer committee, which both Jose and LvG expressed dissatisfaction with. We are owned by foreign venture capitalists who dont give two shits about the club as long as it keeps making them money. And our CEO and head of transfers are both investment bankers with no footballing background "The club is not run by footballing people" i think LvG said.
For example there were rumors that Jose did not really want Sanchez, but it was forced on him by the board because they wanted a big name signing to silence some critical voices in the press. AWB, Maguire and Bruno i think is safe to assume are "Ole players" since they have played pretty much every minute since they arrived. This summer it was plain obvious Ole wanted Sancho, that did not happen and then out of the blue and with little fanfare we sign DvB. Now Donny is a decent player, but why spend 40 million on a new player if you're not going to play him? Then you have the case of us giving out new contracts to deadwood because we "want to protect our assets". Like why the feck do we still have Jones and Lindgard on our books when its clear as day the manager does not rate them. Have they even been in the squad this year? The amount of shite and ineptitude our managers have to deal with above them makes this (probably) one of the hardest managers jobs in the world when you factor in the clubs status and the expectations tied to it
And its not some law of nature that a manager only stays at a club for 2-3 years. That's entirely up to the clubs to decide and it not feasible to hit the reset button every 2-3 years, especially in our case when there is no overarching philosophy or strategy from the top.
Based on this forum i would split the "Ole out" people into two groups.
1. Sensible posters who think we can do better and can put forth somewhat reasonable reasons and arguments, although i find some of them speculative (you are here)
2. Knee jerking moaners and/or entitled children who throws a tantrum every time we lose a match and simply cant tolerate a world where we dont win the league every other year. These are the ones who shouts the loudest about everything from coaching to tactical set ups, and are a walking Dunning-Kruger effect. Engaging with them is as fruitful as running head first into a lamp post. Their emotional range mostly goes from soul crushing bitterness to seething, unbridled rage and this in turn has made them vindictive. Ole hurt them by not winning all his games, so they want to see his head on a pole as a reprisal. They've also convinced themselves that being uncompromising and intransigent in their beliefs makes them clever, but fail to realize that functioning adults who engage in critical thinking actually doubt themselves and change their stances and views when presented with new information or evidence.
To the first group i would say that i get your concerns, but i dont think the time to sack him is now. In my opinion, you should only sack a manager mid season if one of these occur:
1. You go on a ridiculously bad run like not winning in 10 games and/or you lose the dressing room completely. Say what you want about player power, but thats the nail in the coffin for anyone
2. A clearly superior manager becomes available. Poch is not it imo. I'd have no problems with giving him a shot if/when Ole is sacked, but hes not so valuable that we need to bring about a massive upheaval mid season. We all know damn well that there is no such thing as a guaranteed bet when it comes to manager appointments and believe it or not, this might actually get worse
3. Progress grinds to a halt and/or you fail to meet the minimum expectations for that season. And lets get one thing clear. We dont set those standards. As much as we hate him , its Ed and co who does and we as fans are really just along for the ride. If the subway is late and you stand on the platform shouting to the other passengers that they are "lowering standards" its about the same as shouting at other fans here. By all means, when fans are back in the stadium, make a poster and boo your heart out, but dont try to infect others with you misery. What were the expectations this season? For those who say league challenge i'd say you are either wildly optimistic or full of shit and want to use that argument as a crowbar to force the view that anything other than silverware would be unacceptable. We ended last season on a positive note, but that whole momentum was squandered after that calamity of a summer window. Now to be fair, it was not all bad as we added some depth, but considering our closest rival spent north of 200 million and brought in some proven quality i'd say the balance of power definitely shifted in their favor this summer
I was as gutted as everyone else when we crashed out of the CL and no doubt Ole fecked that up with his cowardly line up. Leipzig had weaknesses to exploit, and if we score first that tie is in the bag imo. That being said, and despite what some people want to think, this was not all on him and it was a collective failure on our part. If Martial puts away those sitters vs PSG, if we dont play like complete morons vs Istanbul and if our defenders dont start out half asleep vs Leipzig, we go through.
If you take a step back and look at the bigger picture its not that bad though. Since we signed Bruno/2020 we sit at a 63% win rate (which is higher than both Jose and Fergie), You might say thats a completely arbitrary starting point, but i'd argue it was not. Before Bruno we struggled with a complete creative void. No creative fullbacks, no creative wingers and no creative midfielders. When it came to scoring goals, the entire burden was put on our forward line and that simply does not work unless you play hoofball with ballplaying CB's and big target men up front. One of the most common complaints i see on here is that we are "uncoached" because we lack patterns and only rely on "individual brilliance", but thats willfully ignorant at the best. We score a lot of goals, a lot of good goals and you dont do that with just a thumbs up and "do your thing" from the coaches. Even if that was true (its not) dont you think the players would have ousted Ole a long time ago? Most of these players have ambition (i hope) and i dont think they would stand for it if their manager was that much of an irresponsible simpleton
Since Jan 2019 we score 3 or more goals in 41% of our games. Thats pretty good and it is entertaining since i think everyone agrees goals = fun. Also, we all experienced LvG and there is actually such a thing as too much coaching. LvG wanted to micro manage every single aspect of the players behavior and it completely stifled their creativity. It produced little in terms of results and watching us was like taking a bath in chloroform. So we have a decent win rate, we are in my humble opinion fun to watch again.
The big issue this season is how we concede way, way too many unnecessary goals, most of which comes from daft personal errors or simply our defensive organization being all over the shop. Last season we had the 3rd best defensive record in the league, only slightly behind Liverpool who most would argue have an excellent defense. The way i see it, there can be two reasons behind this.
1. Our coaching staff all suffered some sort of brain injury during the summer and forgot how to set up a defense
2. Our players individual performances have dropped a level or two compared to what they managed last season. Now you can say its the coaches responsibility to sort them out, but its also up to the players to sort themselves out. They get paid a lot of money to play football and if you dont perform at the level you should you simply cant shuffle that blame over to the guys above you
"A winning team is built from the back" is a saying with some truth to it. Its disappointing that we somehow started out worse this year and is no doubt the key component as to why we seem so inconsistent. If we keep scoring at the same rate and perform roughly as we did in defense last year then we suddenly become very hard to beat.
Lastly i want to address the issue of squad strength compared to expectations. I see critics here say that "he should get more out of this team" ALL. THE. TIME. Its not a completely unreasonable statement, but i've yet to see any compelling arguments as to why he should get more out of them. We dont know the ceiling or potential of these players so some blind demand that they should be performing at a higher level is not grounded in anything really. If you can point to one or more players that were brilliant under another manager than turned to complete shit under Ole then you'd have a case, but are there any? Pogba has produced his absolute worst and best form under Ole, but we know that down to other reasons.
The likes of Shaw, Lindelof, McTomminay, Martial, DDG, Matic and Mata have gone in neither direction imo. Some good displays, some bad ones, but at the end of the day inconsistent players are going to be inconsistent and age catches up with everyone and even Fergie could not fix that. If he could, then Anderson would have become a top midfielder instead of a meme-tier footballer. Meanwhile i'd argue Rashford and particularly Fred have blossomed under Ole so hes done some things right regarding man management and coaching.
Another common argument i see is the cost of our squad compared to others, but cost does not equal value/quality. Silly anecdote time, but this absolute eye sore was sold for 138 million$. For that amount you can buy a fecking castle, a life time supply of Stella and still have more money than you ever could use. Since Fergie quit we have spent over 800 net on new players and in my opinion, most of that has been spent incredibly poorly and we have little to show for it in terms of squad quality. Why? Its a combination of poor scouting and Ed and co being utterly useless at negotiating transfer deals. Other clubs know we have a lot of money, but that still does not excuse us spending like drunk sailors. Not saying Ole has been completely shafted here, but he took over a pretty poor squad imo and he has spent much better than his predecessors which he does deserve credit for. One thing that gets overlooked by some is that most of the players Ole has bought has been young, so they are long term investments rather than instant impact players that Jose went for. The latter might make you better then and there, but its not a sustainable model
Coaching is no doubt important Take Klopp and Liverpool as an example (In before YOU CANT COMPARE HIM TO KLOPP !!!11ONE!!, its an example). Henderson and Firmino aside, hes pretty much replaced the entire starting XI and bench through buying and selling and he rid himself of cloggers like like Benteke as soon as he could. No doubt Klopp is a great coach and motivator, probably the best there is, but lets not pretend its all coaching. Most of it comes down to excellent recruitment. And before someone counters with "we saw what he was doing bla bla bla" Did you? Because Liverpool from 2015 - 2018 were languishing in a place between brilliant and utterly laughable and plenty of people on here were happy to take the piss on his behalf and the phrase "serial bottler" was widely used. Only when he signed the worlds best CB and an actual competent GK did they turn shift from wildly inconsistent to champion material. My point is that you simply cant coach anyone into league winners. More often than not, the big trophies are won by the best teams with the best individuals. Not trying to claim we have a bad squad, there are plenty of good players here, but i firmly believe they are not as good as some would claim and we are still a few pieces away from being league contenders.
Is Ole perfect? Not even close, and if he fails to meet reasonable expectations this year and keep on improving us then i'd be happy to see him leave.
Exactly. But then
Absolutely not. Many posters manage to string together a valid opinion as to why. But the 30 ish pages of self pity, insults and moaning since Tuesday.
What do you see when you look at the man who got Cardiff relegated from this league?
If you feel that superior to me, I suppose there's not much I can say. I don't pretend to know everything, but telling me we don't play a high line or that we don't interchange and everything is individual brilliance is a statement that is as risible as the one you used on me.Let me explain the context of my post @Amerifan stated that sacking Ole is pointless unless a more qualified candidate is available. Bayern have shown that this isn't feasible and a underperforming manager can always be replaced with someone who has vision and a philosophy. You have thus proved the point I was trying to make in your understudy of how inept Flick would seem on the basis of his CV
All your posts highlights is excuses, I watch football and you on the premise of your opinion clearly don't because there is absolutely nothing to identify in similarities between us and Bayern from a coaching and tactical perspective. This is the most laughable nonsense I've come across in a long time.
Bayern play with a high line, we absorb pressure, they interchange very well, we rely on individual brilliance, Flick has taught his players to utilise space, drop off when necessary, form the necessary patterns / shapes in play to breakdown the opposition, and so much more. Bayern are a very cohesive team.
Ole has the best United side we have amassed since Sir Alex retired, if he can't get his vision across with this team then he never will because we are never going to have 11 world class players to lead the team forward but that's the expectation of what's needed with Ole due to his inept management criteria.
Do I believe Solskjaer should be sacked now ? Absolutely not its too early in the season to even judge our present circumstances but people need to come off whatever drugs they are on, carrying on as if Solskjaer is the best thing since sliced bread to lead the club forward. While Ole inners are optimistic they lack objectivity.
Since we are not supposed to have a high line (which is different than we modulate sometimes, in function of the opposition), explain to me the link below?
Why are we playing high against a deep sitting defense then?
https://medium.com/@josephpressiv/o...-from-molde-to-manchester-united-9ac643aeb608
And that "world class" team? It was also built with Ole's contribution as well. We may disagree with his tactics, but the team was built based on his own vision as well. And he is also hiring the youngsters and working with Butt to uniformize the tactics across the ages. That's a preparation for the future, if anything. But I am sorry, I am inept, and you must be the Cryuff of tactics. My bad!
That's fair enough but you claim I'm using the Bruno stat to criticise Ole when I'm just saying Burno carried the team which is pretty true. I'm saying that stat cannot be used in isolation to point to Ole being a great manager
Can you explain why he deserves credit for buying a player half a season too late who was actually on our radar before he was permanent manager? Sure I credit him for giving Bruno the green button. That's a no brainer of a transfer though and doesn't really stand up to much.
But where did I spin the criticism? I said the stat is great but it points to Bruno being great more than our manager. That's not criticising our manager, it's looking at who actually made the impact.
I don't need the Bruno star to criticise Ole. There are many other facets to his management that is easy to criticise before looking at the key man risk.
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I see a man who deals with the pressure of being a United manager better than any other manager in the post Fergie era.
I see a man who, when hired, had a better CV than Zidane, Pep, Lampard and Arteta when they got their first big job.
I see a man who's been averaging 2.1 points per game in the league from the moment he got something remotely resembling a decent team.
And now I see a team that's still "in it". And while we're in it, I don't want us sack the man in charge. A controversial opinion in here, I'm sure.
Does the game against RBL illustrate his calmness under pressure?
Not sure how that matters? Zidane and Pep won trophies in their first seasons as managers so your point is... pointless.
When did he acquire this decent team? Hes had many good players at his disposal since he was appointed as caretaker.
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