Lost count of how many "Poch meets Woodward" tweets I've read in this thread.
One day it will be the truth.
Would you sack or keep Ole? (Poll reopened)
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Lost count of how many "Poch meets Woodward" tweets I've read in this thread.
One day it will be the truth.
Yeah talks absolute shite,Ole isn't the right manager for me but he needs to at least be more demanding of this board.
Why is he so afraid to approach them and ask for something that is requisite for any manager in order to improve.
They put out articles talking about how much he is being backed,well in that case Ole shouldn't be afraid to indicate that this team still needs investment in certain areas.
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We've moved into the race? Like we moved into the race for CL qualification.
We've done sweet FA against the top teams and we played most of them at home. We've scrapped results against the mid-table teams while Liverpool are getting into their groove without their best player.
OGS's incompetence will have us back to where we belong on form, 5th to 7th, in no time. We already have injuries and are probably one Bruno injury away from being mediocre again, maybe even before that if he runs out of gas.
Nope. Not getting happy until Stone, Romano, Falk etc report it.
good post, the memories some people have, didn't we claim to not rate bruno when we first got linked by the press, and it was only to make Spurs think someone else was interested.?
I'm pretty sure I said Ole will need a superior squad to the other teams not Ole will need better players.
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Yeah clearly this is total BS,guy is the biggest attention seeker on Twitter
Pretty sure he’s on the transfer tweets thread blacklist? He doesn’t know anything. Genuinely like one of them randomers who create Twitter accounts just to lie about transfers.
Analysis also has to make sense. The fact is people are picking an inconsequential period to generate their conclusions. Whats the significance behind being the third best team in 2020? We don't have anything to show for it. In between we finished third with a really poor points tally, got knocked out of three semi finals and then dumped out of the CL group stages.
Is that progress? I think its damning that the best, most consistent, period under Ole was when he was care taker. Have we truly progressed from those first two months? I'd say we're about the same, if not worse. Context applied, those stats are meangingless as we're not much better from the beginning of the year.
Yeah this just proves that he should have only ever been a caretaker boss and no more than that
Him signing Bruno is a weird stick to beat him with. Are people suggesting we should have pinned our hopes on Mr Beanz?
Also, since our exit from the CL ive seen a dozen or more posts saying "he should get more out of the players" to which i would ask
1. Who spesifically.?
2. How do you know what the potential or ceiling is of a certain player?
3. Is it really all down to the manager? Take Martial as an example, he was badly managed by Jose and produced very little under him. In comes Ole and puts his faith in him over Lukaku and he responds by having his best season yet. This season hes been utterly dreadful
Now as a collective i agree we can improve, especially in defense. But the claim that x, y and z player would have improved under another coach? Id like to hear the reasoning for that.
I'm sure years from now, we'll be referencing the year 2020 when Man United were the third best team.
I remember many people looked down on us finishing 2nd in 2018 yet being the third best team across a calendar year is some sort of achievement?
I don't think Ole is the one that will enable United to challenge for titles except without a huge slice of luck. However he has been dug a massive hole in which to climb out of by Ed Woodward.
Ole has often said that he is manager rather than a head coach. He models himself on SAF who also was a manager first, coach second. Tactically Ole is very naive and SAF admitted he was a tactical 'dinosaur'. However SAF was able to surround himself with competent coaches whereas Ole (and Mourinho before) had to make do with Carrick and McKenna. No competent CEO of a major company would ever give three hugely important roles (manager, assistant and head coach) to such inexperienced employees.
I would actually be happy if half the transfer fund was used, to have a complete clear out of the first team coaching setup and recruit some of the best up and coming coaches in the world. But would Ole have the balls to go to Ed Woodward and basically demand his mates get fired so he can get better coaches. This is the only way I can see Ole surviving as United manager in the long term.
Ole has often said that he is manager rather than a head coach. He models himself on SAF who also was a manager first, coach second. Tactically Ole is very naive and SAF admitted he was a tactical 'dinosaur'. However SAF was able to surround himself with competent coaches whereas Ole (and Mourinho before) had to make do with Carrick and McKenna. No competent CEO of a major company would ever give three hugely important roles (manager, assistant and head coach) to such inexperienced employees.
I would actually be happy if half the transfer fund was used, to have a complete clear out of the first team coaching setup and recruit some of the best up and coming coaches in the world. But would Ole have the balls to go to Ed Woodward and basically demand his mates get fired so he can get better coaches. This is the only way I can see Ole surviving as United manager in the long term.
I agree. I've felt for a long time that Ole needs to change his coaching setup if he's gonna survive, but I also agree with your that he's unlikely to fire his mates, unlike Klopp who actually let Buvac go to change to a more progressive coach in Lijnders. And that's why I want to Ole to leave as soon as possible.
Any other elite club would have sacked him twice by now, but then again they don't have Ed Woodward.
I cant believe this is still a fecking question, are people out of their fecking minds?
Based on our league form since Bruno arrived it's not unlikely that we'll break 80 points this season. In some seasons that's enough to win the league, though usually you need to break 85.
Therefore, while I wouldn't put money on it, it's not inconceivable that we win the league this season. If that were to happen: would you still be Ole out?
Therefore, while I wouldn't put money on it, it's not inconceivable that we win the league this season. If that were to happen: would you still be Ole out?
We are not going to win the league, so this is a moot point.
Even though I don't think Ole is an effective coach, my heart cringes at firing him before Ed Woodward.
Ed Woodward has to go first, and than Oli can follow.
Ed Woodward has to go first, and than Oli can follow.
Still, it's a hypothetical.
Would a league title make any of you change your opinion? I want it in writing in case it happens
I should have done it last season when top 4 looked very unlikely!You want to break the 85 points while your manager gets outplayed tactically by David fecking Moyse, Are you out of your mind?
"There's a chance of winning the quadruple this season, we're in still in the premier league, league cup, Europe League and Fa Cup. If that were to happen, would you still want Ole out ?"
This useless manager is the worst manager in the PL, I thought Lampard was worse than him, but I take it back, Lampard is 1 million years ahead of him. This useless manager needed only 1 point from the last 2 games to qualify, but he bottled it as usual. Master of bottling.
No, 80-81 points. That is what the hard data based on the last 24 league games would predict. It's by no means a guarantee, but it's not unlikely either(provided Bruno stays fit).
Like it or not: some years, though rare, that is enough to win the league. Should this happen and we win the league as a result: would you then back Ole? It's a very simple yes/no question.
No one in the PL has ever won the quadruple. Several teams have won with around 80 points, which is what our current form would suggest. Your example is insane.
I love that no one so far, despite thinking it's impossible, dares to answer that simple yes/no question.
You have to ask yourself, is Ole's decision making in terms of tactics, picking and motivating the team a main factor (or even partially) in accumulating those points or is it down to the players ability to win games through individual skill?
We're 20-1 to win the league. The bookies are very rarely wrong.
I don't care about the odds. Yes or no?
How many shocking results like RB one do we need for you all to stop talking about the future so confidently and arrogantly ? Everyone were confident of us leading the CL group after first 2 matches and taking digs at anyone who thought it was open race after our loss to Turkish team. Maybe instead of such a lame question in early December, wait till Feb or March to discuss our predicted points tally, where will probably we finish and if this will affect the opinion around the manager ?
I cant base my judgment on assumptions. I base it on what I see, and from what I see is a manager struggling every game tactically and rely entirely on the quality of the players to save him every game. But if by a miracle he manages to ride a title challenge not only winning it, no sane person at that time will ask him to leave. But, this is a big if.
That's a threadmark if I ever saw one. And from such a vocal Ole out poster as well!
Thanks
Do people who want him to stay till summer expect that he will turn into SAF overnight?
We're 5 points off the top with a game in hand and 28 rounds left to play and we've been averaging more than 2.1 points per game since Bruno arrived. Forgive me for not giving up 100% just yet
We're 5 points off the top with a game in hand and 28 rounds left to play and we've been averaging more than 2.1 points per game since Bruno arrived. Forgive me for not giving up 100% just yet
Football is very dynamic sport and things in it change faster than you believe. The entire top 6 might change drastically in terms of positioning and points comes Feb or March. We don't even know if a major injury will happen to a big team or not, including us, and this is something that stats can't predict. The answer to your question is of course, not any different from answering the question of "if we won the quadruple should the manager stay ?", well, of course yes ? But you don't start asking such questions in early December. Only around Feb or March is when things will become clearer who's in the title race and who will compete for top 4. That's about it really. For once we should learn a little bit from our arrogance in assuming the CL group was done for after the first 2 games and know that literally anything can happen in the space of just few games.
I disagree. If Poch comes in now hes taking over somebody else's team and having to make it work, if he gets off to a bad start and a toxic atmosphere he might not recover. I'd rather he had a proper start here.
I know.
But why give up when the current data, based on 24 league games, is positive? Because we're out of a tough CL group? The CL is volatile. That's why the best manager in history only won it twice, both times after dramatic finals.
Good, bout time we stopped letting every fexker spend years and hundreds of millions to build their own.
We put the transfer board in place after Mourinho’s second season to avoid that, time to show the idea works.
I'm not giving up on it, but assuming we're going to finish the league around 80 points in early December and if this will be enough to win the title or now is honestly an arrogant way of predicting the future really without putting in consideration any unfortunate thing to happen along the way. Beside, you're asking a lame question that the answer to it is too obvious. There's not even point of such question if you ask me.
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