Would you sack or keep Ole? (Poll reopened)

[Hugh Jass]

Sacking mid season is never the solution. There aren't any decent managers available mid season (except poch).

Im ole in, but if we fail to get top 4 then we should reconsider our options. If after the said reconsideration ole is not sacked then he needs to be supported in the summer transfer window.

This would be my line of thinking too. It all hinges now on whether he can come close enough in the PL.

 

[Bobcat]

Sad, isn't it. That is when hate and darkness take over the place.


I was here yesterday and people went absolutly mad. Panic everywhere. Hatered towards us that still think Solskjaer should be given time were on a big scale. Hatred towards Solskjaer and staff were even worse. It was raining insults. But it is okey. You just let this storm pass by. People are to emotional and offended by everything this days.

I still think that Solskjaer shoud be given time and we are taking steps forward. So you are not alone.

Eh, the ones most vitriolic ones should not be taken seriously anyways. I've seen one or two posters who suggest that people who still back Ole gets "thrown out of the club" (whatever that means) which either means some sort of mental illness or a galactic sense of entitlement

 

[croadyman]

Sacking mid season is never the solution. There aren't any decent managers available mid season (except poch).

Im ole in, but if we fail to get top 4 then we should reconsider our options. If after the said reconsideration ole is not sacked then he needs to be supported in the summer transfer window.

So you wouldn't consider Allegri decent then, I will give you that the general consensus is he plays a very defensive style of football but if he can sort that out maybe then he can find a style of play that can get the best out of the likes of Bruno, Rashford, Martial, Greenwood & Cavani as well.

 

[Ali Dia]

Haaland can feck right off unless he changes his agent

Martinez at inter.. haaland... even DCL... just not someone who’s a winger or wide forward to lead the line.

 

[Bobcat]

Poch won't be available for long. If we fail to get top 4 and not a single good manager is available then we will be back to where we were when we sacked Jose.

Ole hasn't done terribly but despite being job for almost 2 years, and spending a fortune on new recruits, we are still no closer to an answer whether he can take us forward or not.

We've heard that for about a year now and no one else has snatched him up so far.

Personally i'd much rather go for the guy who kicked our arses yesterday, even if it means i have to look at his ghoulish jackets

 

[VP89]

We've heard that for about a year now and no one else has snatched him up so far.

Personally i'd much rather go for the guy who kicked our arses yesterday, even if it means i have to look at his ghoulish jackets

Think most people would prefer Nagelsmann. No guarantee he'd be inclined to join us though. He rejected Bayern so it's plausible he can do it to another big club. Timing has to be right for him too.

 

[el3mel]

We've heard that for about a year now and no one else has snatched him up so far.

Personally i'd much rather go for the guy who kicked our arses yesterday, even if it means i have to look at his ghoulish jackets

Nagelsmann said he rejected Madrid previously because he thinks he's not ready for such step. I don't think he's going to leave RB any time soon.

 

[Russky14]

Is OGS still here?

 

[NJM78]

Yeah money is all this board ever gives a shit about hence that article on keeping faith in Ole, he is the perfect way for the club to save money again and not have to pay out a sacking compensation. Totally agree with you about there being some useless players in the squad but just wanted to get your views on who exactly you have in mind.

Useless may be harsh but I believe the following are certainly not good enough for a team wanting to challenge for the top honours.

Lindelof, McTominay, James, Lingard, Bailly. Matic and Mata (were both class but way past it now) Maguire could possibly be good enough if he had a quick and better CB next to him and Wan Bissaka is probably the best slide tackler in the world but feel he is so limited position wise and going forward. Two massive signings who now look no better than Young and Smalling in my opinion.

The likes of Fred and Shaw are good options bench wise but I honestly believe we need a top class CB, RB, DM, RW and CF that are first names on team sheet along with Bruno before we challenge for a league and CL.

I do think a better manager would 100% set up the current squad better than Ole. Who seems to rely on luck more than skill.

 

[InfiniteBoredom]

Sad thing is, when Ole first arrived two years ago, he was all about “the United way and players being free to express themselves”.

Now he’s at the point where he starts 7 defensive players to try to keep his job.

This is what gets me. I have no doubt that he loves the club but at the end of the day his self preservation instinct still take priority over that. The stupid attempt to go for the Europa last season and this line up against Leipzig scream of a man trying to get short term result to survive.

Fergie would’ve ditched the Europa now we’ve dropped to it in a heartbeat to focus on the league, given the fixture congestion and the weakened competition this season.You just know Ole will try to stay in for as long as possible and run his squad to the ground in the process.

 

[united for life]

Sacking mid season is never the solution. There aren't any decent managers available mid season (except poch).

Im ole in, but if we fail to get top 4 then we should reconsider our options. If after the said reconsideration ole is not sacked then he needs to be supported in the summer transfer window.

at last, someone talking some logic without going to extremes.

what i disagree with is sacking him if he fail to make top 4. I mean i’d still like us to back him if we finished 5th for instance as i feel he is properly building

 

[OrcaFat]

Lets see where we are at the 38th game thats the only stat that matters

I agree.

 

[VP89]

at last, someone talking some logic without going to extremes.

what i disagree with is sacking him if he fail to make top 4. I mean i’d still like us to back him if we finished 5th for instance as i feel he is properly building

Speaking of logic, what barometer would you use for "properly building"?

If you park our results, there is feck all in our play to suggest we've made sufficient progress in 2 years and you can argue he misallocated financial resources on top. Why should he be backed based on what we've seen?

Jose wasnt backed after getting 81 points because our performances were shite. What has Ole done to warrant it any more than Jose has? Does he have better previous achievements? Did he win any cups? Did he prove he can handle money better in his career? Are the XG stats any better under him than Jose? What is it exactly? Do we look better on the pitch consistently more under Ole than Jose? I'm not seeing any of it.

 

[OrcaFat]

Get a grip.

You must have forgotten the late 80s.

 

[croadyman]

Useless may be harsh but I believe the following are certainly not good enough for a team wanting to challenge for the top honours.

Lindelof, McTominay, James, Lingard, Bailly. Matic and Mata (were both class but way past it now) Maguire could possibly be good enough if he had a quick and better CB next to him and Wan Bissaka is probably the best slide tackler in the world but feel he is so limited position wise and going forward. Two massive signings who now look no better than Young and Smalling in my opinion.

The likes of Fred and Shaw are good options bench wise but I honestly believe we need a top class CB, RB, DM, RW and CF that are first names on team sheet along with Bruno before we challenge for a league and CL.

I do think a better manager would 100% set up the current squad better than Ole. Who seems to rely on luck more than skill.

Oh he is lucky alright but convinced that it's going to run out in the league pretty soon just like it did in europe. I totally agree with you about us needing to sign a top class CB, attacking RB, DM, and CF. In regards to a RW I am willing to see whether Amad has the capabilities to make that spot his own before deciding whether or not we need to sign one of those as well

 

[USREDEVIL]

Oh he is lucky alright but convinced that it's going to run out in the league pretty soon just like it did in europe. I totally agree with you about us needing to sign a top class CB, attacking RB, DM, and CF. In regards to a RW I am willing to see whether Amad has the capabilities to make that spot his own before deciding whether or not we need to sign one of those as well

I made the same point a bit ago so i have to agree. Once our EPL slide happens things are going to get ugly...

 

[OrcaFat]

I mean he even thinks we are now more fun to watch than some periods during SAF's time as well. I'm not sure what you are replying on after this.

What can I tell you? We score some great goals at the moment and I guess the periods of mediocre dross and chaotic defending which borders on self harm just don’t ruin it for me. It could be that I’ve mellowed with age.

 

[Amir]

Sacking mid season is never the solution. There aren't any decent managers available mid season (except poch).

Im ole in, but if we fail to get top 4 then we should reconsider our options. If after the said reconsideration ole is not sacked then he needs to be supported in the summer transfer window.

That's how a passive club with a lack of footbal knowledge depth operates. Rather than being able to look at matches and see if the work is good enough, and then operate - wait until the end of the season and see in what position we finish. Every bloody idiot can run a club like that (and we have them!).

There might not be a point in changing a manager in mid season if you don't have a good one waiting in the wings. It makes huge difference if there is one.

 

[NJM78]

Oh he is lucky alright but convinced that it's going to run out in the league pretty soon just like it did in europe. I totally agree with you about us needing to sign a top class CB, attacking RB, DM, and CF. In regards to a RW I am willing to see whether Amad has the capabilities to make that spot his own before deciding whether or not we need to sign one of those as well

I got a feeling this kid is going straight in the reserves unfortunately and we'll probably see Lingard on the right again before him.

Looks good though, hope he gets his permit.

 

[AC1689]

Why do you need a reset poll to show lots of fans are angry with losing last night. Were you asking for a reset back in July?

Polls are there primarily to give an up to date view on the general consensus amongst fans on different topics.

The whole point of polling is for it to be recent and reflect today’s views. Having a poll which has hundreds of votes made by people months upon months ago, who either can’t be bothered changing the vote, or simply haven’t logged in since, cannot be fresh, and therefore not particularly relevant.

I concur that a reset would be wise. And should be done so every 6 weeks or so.

 

[King Kendrick]

Wake up to see he still hasn’t been sacked. Oh to have Flo as our director.

 

[OrcaFat]

Sacking mid season is never the solution. There aren't any decent managers available mid season (except poch).

Im ole in, but if we fail to get top 4 then we should reconsider our options. If after the said reconsideration ole is not sacked then he needs to be supported in the summer transfer window.

I agree top 4 is the minimum and 5th or below should be the cue to make a change.

4th would be a disappointment, unless we can greatly close the gap on 1st, but probably not sackable.

3rd or 2nd and with more points than last year would be encouraging.

 

[Silverman]

The way some 'United fans' are treating Solskjaer is very tough to watch.
Now I don't mean the criticism or not backing him. I'm talking about people calling him a 'Fraud' or a 'Coward'.
He is a United legend, is trying his best and you can tell how important this job is to him.

Having said that, Im not saying to get behind him blindly. Personally, I don't think he's the right man for the job. We don't have a recognised, attractive style of play, the signings of Maguire, Wan-Bissaka and James are proving to be poor choices imo and his choices of formation and tactics at times is questionable.
However, there is a way to voice your criticisms without attacking him personally or hatefully.

 

[AC1689]

The way some 'United fans' are treating Solskjaer is very tough to watch.
Now I don't mean the criticism or not backing him. I'm talking about people calling him a 'Fraud' or a 'Coward'.
He is a United legend, is trying his best and you can tell how important this job is to him.

Having said that, Im not saying to get behind him blindly. Personally, I don't think he's the right man for the job. We don't have a recognised, attractive style of play, the signings of Maguire, Wan-Bissaka and James are proving to be poor choices imo and his choices of formation and tactics at times is questionable.
However, there is a way to voice your criticisms without attacking him personally or hatefully.

Welcome to online forums/social media/Twitter etc. It’s a sad state of affairs across the board. Hurling personal abuse has become somewhat habitual, expected and somewhat accepted as normality.

Name calling is juvenile. Far better to read analysis and sound reasoning as to why people believe he isn’t the man for the job.

I’ve always tried to do this myself re Ole, but I also have to admit emotions may have got the better of me at times. Although I’m sure I’ve never personally insulted the guy.

 

[SportingCP96]

Genuine question, let’s say United get top 4 again..do you stick with Ole?

 

[AC1689]

Genuine question, let’s say United get top 4 again..do you stick with Ole?

Second or higher, yes.

3rd/4th if at least one piece of silverware acquired.

Although I don’t believe he is capable of a top four finish this season, and needs to go ASAP.

 

[croadyman]

I got a feeling this kid is going straight in the reserves unfortunately and we'll probably see Lingard on the right again before him.

Looks good though, hope he gets his permit.

Yeah I fear you might well be right on this one looking at how things have panned out with Pallestri but really hope I am proven wrong on this and he becomes a regular fixture in the team. Yet again today on Youtube videos and also on here I am seeing these continuous ridiculous comparisons of Ole to the early days of Klopp, Pep & Fergie.

For a start Klopp beat a half decent Bayern side to win a Bundesliga and German cup and you could see he had defined style of football as well. In regards to Pep yes he has been given a lot of money by City but again you can see that he is able to coach players and always plays the same way no matter the opposition. Finally Fergie broke the monopoly of Rangers & Celtic which is a real impressive achievement and I will admit he didn't get off to the best start at Utd and was close to being sacked in 1989, however you need to remember that we had FOOTBALL people on the board in those days and it was a very different time where many managers were given an opportunity to prove themselves. We should never used as a glorified apprenticeship scheme for a player who achieved a lot but management wise his CV consists of winning the Norwegian league which shouldn't make you considered for the Utd job.

 

[SportingCP96]

Second or higher, yes.

3rd/4th if at least one piece of silverware acquired.

Although I don’t believe he is capable of a top four finish this season, and needs to go ASAP.

Figured,

The thing is (your criteria implied this as well) you don’t want to be a constant top 4 team that is there just to make a number because your not competing for shit throughout the season (ala Wenger and arsenal towards the last 7 or 8 years of his tenure).

 

[Forevergiggs1]

@Niall

Can, keep Ole until top 4 is unattainable be added to the poll?

 

[Caesar2290]

Genuine question, let’s say United get top 4 again..do you stick with Ole?

It'll probably be a 50/50 just like it is right now.
Half of the fans are going to call for his head, while the other half will say that "with this board he did the best job he could so he shouldn't be sacked"

The board won't sack him for sure. I mean we went with LVG who couldn't win a match to save his life for what seemed to be like ages and he didn't get the sack. Mourinho was actively trying to get sacked since the first day of the season and the board wouldn't fire him.

They way I see it is that with the current covid situation we will be penny pinching more than usual. So unless we finish lower than 6th I think the board will just run down Ole's contract(expires in 2022) and then get another "free agent" manager in his place.

 

[eire-red]

Speaking of logic, what barometer would you use for "properly building"?

If you park our results, there is feck all in our play to suggest we've made sufficient progress in 2 years and you can argue he misallocated financial resources on top. Why should he be backed based on what we've seen?

Jose wasnt backed after getting 81 points because our performances were shite. What has Ole done to warrant it any more than Jose has? Does he have better previous achievements? Did he win any cups? Did he prove he can handle money better in his career? Are the XG stats any better under him than Jose? What is it exactly? Do we look better on the pitch consistently more under Ole than Jose? I'm not seeing any of it.

Agreed.

Not sacking Ole is just compounding a bad decision to give him the job. People say 'Let's see if we finish in the Top 4 this season before making a decision'. Really?

Didn't we used to mock Wenger for that?

If Ole does finish Top 4, what then? He finished 3rd last season, and look at us now. When people say 'we're building something', I'm here scratching my head, wondering how many more miracles we can pull off week in week out before the charade is over.

These comeback wins are papering over the cracks.

 

[croadyman]

Agreed.

Not sacking Ole is just compounding a bad decision to give him the job. People say 'Let's see if we finish in the Top 4 this season before making a decision'. Really?

Didn't we used to mock Wenger for that?

If Ole does finish Top 4, what then? He finished 3rd last season, and look at us now. When people say 'we're building something', I'm here scratching my head, wondering how many more miracles we can pull off week in week out before the charade is over.

These comeback wins are papering over the cracks.

It's because the sentimental ones in our fanbase really believe that he will achieve something this season and then next summer he will get Lampard like backing from this joke of a board and we will be performing dramatically different this time next season

 

[OrcaFat]

Agreed.

Not sacking Ole is just compounding a bad decision to give him the job. People say 'Let's see if we finish in the Top 4 this season before making a decision'. Really?

Didn't we used to mock Wenger for that?

If Ole does finish Top 4, what then? He finished 3rd last season, and look at us now. When people say 'we're building something', I'm here scratching my head, wondering how many more miracles we can pull off week in week out before the charade is over.

These comeback wins are papering over the cracks.

The comeback wins are wins.

And they are fantastic to watch. I’d happily see every game pan out that way but imagine how good we’ll be when the defence gets back to the form of last year. (although I guess we will stop scoring if that happens).

 

[croadyman]

The comeback wins are wins.

And they are fantastic to watch. I’d happily see every game pan out that way but imagine how good we’ll be when the defence gets back to the form of last year. (although I guess we will stop scoring if that happens).

Only way this defence finds form again is under a proper manager

 

[NJM78]

Yeah I fear you might well be right on this one looking at how things have panned out with Pallestri but really hope I am proven wrong on this and he becomes a regular fixture in the team. Yet again today on Youtube videos and also on here I am seeing these continuous ridiculous comparisons of Ole to the early days of Klopp, Pep & Fergie.

For a start Klopp beat a half decent Bayern side to win a Bundesliga and German cup and you could see he had defined style of football as well. In regards to Pep yes he has been given a lot of money by City but again you can see that he is able to coach players and always plays the same way no matter the opposition. Finally Fergie broke the monopoly of Rangers & Celtic which is a real impressive achievement and I will admit he didn't get off to the best start at Utd and was close to being sacked in 1989, however you need to remember that we had FOOTBALL people on the board in those days and it was a very different time where many managers were given an opportunity to prove themselves. We should never used as a glorified apprenticeship scheme for a player who achieved a lot but management wise his CV consists of winning the Norwegian league which shouldn't make you considered for the Utd job.

I think these comparisons are disrespectful to say the least. It's just pure bias due to Ole being a club legend, he has done nothing previous in his management career to justify the comparisons.

I also don't believe for a second anyone would still want him here, had he been some random ex Molde player and manager that got relegated with Cardiff City and had zero connection to our club...saying that though, he would never have got the job in the first place!

 

[NJM78]

@Niall

Can, keep Ole until top 4 is unattainable be added to the poll?

That would be a good idea as surely even his diehard fans don't want to keep him here for however long it takes him to get it right.

 

[Lee565]

Cant help but feel like he uses his preference for having a young side as an excuse for being out of his depth and constantly being inconsistent with result.

 

[croadyman]

Cant help but feel like he uses his preference for having a young side as an excuse for being out of his depth and constantly being inconsistent with result.

Yeah that and being unlucky is another one of his favourites

 

[eire-red]

The comeback wins are wins.

And they are fantastic to watch. I’d happily see every game pan out that way but imagine how good we’ll be when the defence gets back to the form of last year. (although I guess we will stop scoring if that happens).

Don't get me wrong, watching us beat Southampton 3-2 was brilliant in the moment, and I've never been so pumped after a game post Fergie, same for West Ham. I love the wins as much as the next fan. I only wish I was able to be in the pub watching them.

But in regards to my reservations, these comeback wins aren't sustainable. It's the next day when you look back after your emotions settle down and you start thinking about what we're watching. We saw that last night, and to be honest at the elite level, if you give good teams as two goal head start every game (no disrespect to West Ham and Southampton), you're never going to get to a point where you're winning trophies.

 

[eire-red]

It's because the sentimental ones in our fanbase really believe that he will achieve something this season and then next summer he will get Lampard like backing from this joke of a board and we will be performing dramatically different this time next season

I wish it were true, I really do. Under Ole at times it's really felt like we're getting somewhere. It just goes to show we're a momentum team, and when we lose that momentum, we don't have that tactical nous, or those coaching foundations to grind out the results. Hence the highs and lows we continue to see in our results.

Under Fergie, at times it was like we'd just go out on a Saturday after midweek in Eurpoe and churn out a completely unremarkable 2-0 win, and it was like the players we're just so in tune with what they were doing it was 100% routine. Now you're just hoping Bruno or Rashford can produce moments of magic, and if they don't then we're in trouble.