This. I'm fully behind the team now. Let's do this.
Would you sack or keep Ole? (Poll reopened)
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This. I'm fully behind the team now. Let's do this.
What does ‘demanding results’ look like? Serious question.
Asking for the manager to be sacked half time into a game?
Throwing your toys out of the pram on social media and calling Ole a PE teacher?
Hiring a plane to fly over old Trafford?
just take joy when the team wins and don't try to control the board of a multi national by getting angry on a forum
I don't think it is. If you disagree that's fine.
We haven't been in a title race for so long fans are now getting really impatient and I get that.
If Ole had got at least 1 of Haaland, Sancho or Grealish we'd be closer for sure though.
Trust this manager. Trust the process. Sadly I don't trust Woodward and co.
Great win anyway. Come on you reds.
the fact we’ve been a game behind everyone since the start of the season really has skewed some people’s thinking. Clearly we need to win a game in hand, and it’s far from guaranteed, but some people far to keen to make snap judgements.
Do you have any idea how many teams said that about Beckham?
We were the better team throughout, why would he change the shape or game plan if we were better?
I wonder when they'll slot that game in. Can't be December or early Jan so we've got at least another 6-7 weeks of this game in hand skewing things.
Is it really the last bastion of the Ole outs to try to say that Ole is under performing with a squad that should win the league (versus two teams that have set pts records in very recent seasons - translations, Ole's group of players is one of the greatest ever ever premiership squads)
This squad is top 4 quality and ole should be gone if he doesn't get that, while we continue to improve the squad
This squad is top 4 quality and ole should be gone if he doesn't get that, while we continue to improve the squad
Yeah, it's going to be much later in the season. The schedule from now till February is insane. There's no midweek slots available.
Amen to that.
The limitation of this squad are no more than City not having a proper striker or half of Liverpool team being injured. Tottenham are a level below us and Chelsea are at maximum level with us squad wise. It would be a great achievement for Ole to win but this season there is no excuse not to compete considering the circumstances.
Well they gave him the job and haven't sacked him either.
I honestly wish people stop talking about Liverpool and City from the past few seasons. City have been rubbish this season and Liverpool haven't been any better. This season is definitely up there to win for any other team.
Again quality of the squad is judged in comparison to other rivals around in the same season.
I hear what you’re saying and I think we’re very close but we’re still ultimately the 3rd or 4th best team in the league.
I don’t trust Dave in net, he doesn’t turn up sometimes and our midfield without Bruno is in serious trouble.
If we’d have got Grealish and Haaland I’d absoltuely agree with you but I think we’re those players off really running Liverpool and City down to the wire. We’ll fall away in the final 10 games with this squad.
But it’s all very promising
I think David has been great and back to his best this season.
Anyway I just hope we'll challenge for the title within the next 2 years max while most of our players are starting their prime or already in it, regardless of the manager in charge.
Spot on. This is a good squad. The best we’ve had in years and I feel it’s fully capable of challenging for the title.
Thays not to say it can’t be improved on but largely I’m happy with it.
A CF like Cavani only younger and a DM like Partey would be the minimum 2 players that could tip the edge from battling for top 3-4 to challenging City/Liverpool for the title.
Can you remember how low we were under Jose? How we would look tired. The signings were poor. The games with dire.
Can people honestly not see how far we’ve come? We went 2-0 down today and I knew wed win the game. I’ve not had that in years.
Can people honestly not see how far we’ve come? We went 2-0 down today and I knew wed win the game. I’ve not had that in years.
Those 3 things are quite ridiculous. But I'd wager the fans wanting him sacked at half time already want him gone, not because of that specific match.
The "Ole is PE teacher" meme is tiresome.
Demanding results is about expectation. We have a good squad of players that should be challenging for the title. This season in particular is wide open. Liverpool and City won't be getting 90+ points. We have a great opportunity to challenge.
I'm not saying we have a title winning squad of players but we should be near the top come the end of the season. Anything less isn't good enough. We're Manchester United.
You're making excuses for him. He's already spent hundreds of millions.
We could see neither team pick up steam, true, but to me that doesn't seem likely. I guess my feeling is we should just try improve on 66 pts and if that wins you the league in 2021 then cool, we might win the league.
It’s night and day. The makeup of the team and how good we can play. I am not convinced Ole is the man to ultimately take us back to the top but I absolutely give him credit for putting this team together and the more performances like this we can produce the more people should be willing to climb out of their trenches.
God, it's like I never get tired of being wrong.
And believe me, I agree but those things can change and will change towards the end of the season.
City have a great midfield with goals coming from everywhere, we only have Bruno and an inconsistent front line. Liverpool’s players will get fit at some point. We’re missing the midfield to win a PL and we will fall away in the final 10 games.
We just need to improve in certain areas and we’ll be right back in the mix for real
its boring. Arguments here always based purely on Rhetoric. We are always ‘lucky’ if we come from behind or narrowly win. If we trounce someone its because they were ‘shit’ (even in the case of RBL who a lot of Ole out people want their manager to replace Ole), or suffered an ‘injury crisis’. He can do no good in some peoples eyes - everything negative is to do with him, everything positive is not. It does indeed seem as though some are disappointed we got back in the game yes. Thing is, some people want to believe that if he loses a game he will be sacked whereas in reality the he problaly needs to go on an awful run where he loses 8 or 9 out of 10 whilst having no injuries etc and the players look like they have downed tools.
tbf Didnt think we were amazing today but we won. We still look inconsistent. Then again, we still lack a class rw, class player at the base of midfield, and a second class cb. We added nothing in the summer that was going to change us markedly so i expect similar to last season week to week
Some of my favourites. That being said, we'll probably get tonked by PSG now.Then again, no I don't think so.
Bullshit. We are woefully inconsistent. Be sure not to celebrate mediocrity.
How lost are you???
If someone relied on individual brilliance it would be Pep. After he arrived at City, which had a great team, he have bought himself the premier leagues best first 11. And still Oles united have beaten him more often than not. Ole is the tactitian and Pep is the coach relying on talented players and individual brilliance.
And why cant you just enjoy our victory? We are even in front of the great Pep. Its hard to belive that you even are a united fan?
Agree with what you are saying.
It just seems bizarre behaviour. Sucking life out of supporting the club at the moment as you cant her away from it in the real world or online.
I would understand it if it was really bad and where losing games all over the show but the players are playing for him.
If he first to say I think he gone. We arent even close to it at the moment.
We are marching for that title
But there’s not a single United fan who doesn’t want to win a league title and win all our games?
I don’t understand this ‘demanding results’ nonsense. It’s a phrase used to cover toxic behaviour and culture of entitlement.
This season has been a perfect example of that. People being negative about absolutely everything doesn’t help the players or manager. We’re in uncharted waters, there has never been a season this condensed with a lack of preseason before, we cannot accurately predict what will happen. No one can.
We all demand excellence, we all expect to win but the reality is the squad aren’t capable of that yet. We’re getting there but we have visible flaws. Having a tantrum when we don’t win doesn’t help and it’s certainly not “demanding results”, it’s being a twat.
So if I get this straight - now the criticism against OGS is that our squad is so good that if he doesn't get us top-4 he should be sacked .
While a year ago - he should be sacked because our squad was so poor.
So by spending roughly £100 million - he has turned our squad from one considered of the worst United-teams in P.L history, into a squad so great that top-4 should be guaranteed. (in less than 12 months)
Doesn't that only say that he has done brilliantly in the transfer market ? Imagine how good we can be if he is given 2 transfer windows more, and some serious backing
While a year ago - he should be sacked because our squad was so poor.
So by spending roughly £100 million - he has turned our squad from one considered of the worst United-teams in P.L history, into a squad so great that top-4 should be guaranteed. (in less than 12 months)
Doesn't that only say that he has done brilliantly in the transfer market ? Imagine how good we can be if he is given 2 transfer windows more, and some serious backing
It would be truly cathartic if the fan base could agree that the team OGS inherited was incapable of playing consistent title challenging football, that it’s a relatively lengthy process and requires some luck to reach such a level, and that Ole has delivered demonstrable steps already towards that end point.I think the majority of us simply want to see the team playing consistently well and winning games in the process, whether that be with Ole in charge or otherwise.
It's not always personal
Todays win is yet another marker on that journey: this squad loves the playing for him and will walk through walls using his Methodology to win games.
I can’t accept anyone as a Manchester United supporter who won’t fully support this phase of our history. They are a truly corrosive bacteria feeding on our club right now.
Winning is difficult this season and falling in final 10 games is alright. Competing until then should be a must.
Correct. We got off to the worst possible start - we had no pre-season to talk about, Maguires vacation in Greece, Greenwood in Iceland, AWB in Dubai and Pogba with corona. We simply weren't ready to start the season - if we had been, chances are we would have won against Palace - and we would have been pretty much near the top of the table.
Add to that the match against Spurs and it's pretty impressive that we have managed to turn things around as much as we have. Wish our fans now could get back behind the players.
So this is the state of play a quarter of the way into the season:
Not quite as bad as we first anticipated? We'll be back in the top four should we win our game in hand (potentially) and only 2 points behind Spurs and Liverpool as a consequence.
We have to continue performing as we have been in recent games and pick up the points too, which goes without saying ordinarily, then again this is United we're talking about, the very epitome of inconsistency. It's not beyond us to lose our next couple of games and play like shit in the process. And that's the problem, you can't quite trust this side.
| 1 | Spurs | 10 | +12 | 21 |
| 2 | Liverpool | 10 | +5 | 21 |
| 3 | Chelsea | 10 | +12 | 19 |
| 4 | Leicester | 9 | +6 | 18 |
| 5 | Southampton | 10 | +3 | 17 |
| 6 | Everton | 10 | +2 | 16 |
| 7 | Man Utd | 9 | 0 | 16 |
| 8 | Aston Villa | 8 | +8 | 15 |
| 9 | Man City | 9 | +4 | 15 |
| 10 | West Ham | 9 | +5 | 14 |
Not quite as bad as we first anticipated? We'll be back in the top four should we win our game in hand (potentially) and only 2 points behind Spurs and Liverpool as a consequence.
We have to continue performing as we have been in recent games and pick up the points too, which goes without saying ordinarily, then again this is United we're talking about, the very epitome of inconsistency. It's not beyond us to lose our next couple of games and play like shit in the process. And that's the problem, you can't quite trust this side.
Well right now we are competing - but we still have a bunch of fans not behind the team or the managers. Its a disgrace
Only a few weeks ago, AWB, Maguire were considered awful transfers, we're a one man team etc. The script changes every few weeks.
Since the Tottenham result we've played 10 games, winning 7. We're getting our form back and despite having a pretty bad start our season so far is actually pretty damn good. Still in the EFL cup, very close to qualifying in the CL with a very high chance of finishing 1st and we're not that far off top in the league. Our new signings are also looking good and settling in well. Fitness looks good so far and we seem to be building momentum ready for the tough winter period.
We've got a lot of positives so far this season.
Exactly.
You're either shit or amazing according to this board at times. We are neither. We are a work in progress and Ole has got a lot more right than he has wrong.
Poch in doesn't make this team title winners over night.
Aye, I’ve been critical of the management waiting until 70 minutes have passed before pulling their fingers out of their arses, but today was superb mid game management.
Great enjoyment.
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