We could win the title this season with a top class manager.
Would you sack or keep Ole? (Poll reopened)
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I am one of them. Wins like these are very entertaining, I just don't see Ole's style getting us on top in the long term and our football for the most part is not my cup of tea.
Think of it this way, if we can improve on Martial or Cavani by bringing in Messi, I think all of us would be all for that. I see Ole as upgradable, hence my vote.
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Aye, I just flicked through some of the pages in here during half time... oh dear.
I was bemused at half time how we were 2-0 down, we played very well and a few dumb mistakes cost us big time. Another performance where we have the fitness and stamina to outlast the opponent and get a late goal. Very pleased with today, Cavani up front as the focal point seems a given now and DvB looked brilliant today. The team looks energised and all on the same page, coming back from 2-0 down to win 3-2 against the much loved Southampton is an excellent result.
Very happy today. Onwards and upwards, we're looking good this season imo.
If Ole wins one of CL or PL, this conversation ends.
What was the 'everything bad' about that game? Because we're not invincible from excellent set pieces? If that was a game to give 'plenty of ammunition' to anyone wanting him sacked then fans of every team in the world will want their manager sacked.
Done.
That's a ~65% win rate but that's low enough to get sacked apparently.
Doesn't matter how many points were off the top even if we win game in hand. Take nothing away from the win, I even thought we were the best team in the first half but score never reflected that. Ole still not the man to take us to the next level.
His tactics for the second half very good though, now I never thought I'd say that. Ole now goes in the record book for the most away wins on no the bounce for United. Can anything else happen in 2020.
His tactics for the second half very good though, now I never thought I'd say that.
Ole now goes in the record book for the most away wins on no the bounce for United. Can anything else happen in 2020.Imagine thinking that "OleOUTers" don't celebrate when we win, especially with a great comeback like todayImagine not being able to celebrate winning a game like that with winning goal in the final minutes.
Yet another crap day for OleOUTers.
Ole at the Wheel
Ultimately we all want what's best for the club (winning), if us Ole outers think that Ole is not the right man to achieve it, it doesn't mean we are having a "crap day"... Jesus Even then the Ole haters would still have negatives to go against him. People don’t like being proven wrong.
Good win. It still doesn't change my mind. Ole may publicly not say anything about the goals conceded but the first goal is a coaching issue.
Deserves credit for being proactive with the Cavani sub instead of letting 20-25 minutes of the second half go by. Playing Rashford as a second striker changed the game in terms of giving Southampton's defense more to worry about. Cavani is a real nuisance to play against for central defenders, so having Rashford closer to him looked to really unsettle them, and they lost track of Bruno for the first goal. Allowing Fred to push forward early on in the second half was a big help too IMO. Have to look at things on an even keel and the adjustments in the second half were very good.
I was joking around after seeing all the usual guff. I support the club not who's in charge or what players we have unlike some folk.
Must be hard hard work for you to enjoy these games.
To be honest Ole got loads wrong today, but what a win. Loved it, these games why I love this club.
Last minute wins are always the best.
I want Ole out because I don't think he can win the CL or PL. But if he wins, there is no conversation about sacking to be had.
I think you've totally misunderstood me or maybe i misunderstood your question as I never said or meant this. Shouted Pochettino?
I'm not a Pochettino fan and don't want him here. I didn't bring up his name to say he can win the league, I mentioned him as an example of the few coaches that has the ability to get a club to surpass their expectations and not as an example of a coach that can win us the league. I mention him along with Klopp and Hassenhutl because these coaches all have the ability to surpass expectations as they've done it in their previous clubs and it wasn't a fluke like Ranieri.
If we are talking about the type of coach to win us a title under our current incompetent management then he must have two things - winning mentality (because the club itself has no ambition to be the best) and the ability to surpass expectations (because the club will not provide the manager a team superior to the other 19 teams). This is where I would rule out Pochettino as he doesn't seem to have a winning mentality. Klopp would be the most obvious candidate
As long as top 4 is looking likely I'm willing to stick with Ole for the remainder of his contract not because I think he's good enough or better than other available coaches but because I currently don't see a clear candidate available that can take us back to the top under our current management.
One other thing we would need to start winning titles again is good recruitment of players. We didn't have that under our former coaches but I think we've started doing that and I'm hoping we've sorted that out thanks to Ole
You said last season we have 3rd best team in the league and under Ole we will be 3rd or less with 3rd best team in the league, we will only win the league under him if we have the best squad in the league. That's why you believe we need different manager and when I asked you, you named Poch in the list.
This is you though?
Still don’t see anything impressive. He should be getting at minimum top four and a trophy with this team. As I always stated, if he finishes this season similiar to last, he should get the sack. We aren’t spurs, arsenal or Leciester. This season, he should meet the standard of Manchester United. We sacked lvg after winning a fa cup and mourinho after coming second and a Europa league win. I feel like ole is not being held to those standards because he is likable and is a past United legend. There is a lot of factors that are falling into Ole hands, let see how far he can go with such luck and quality players.
He's in his own world!
Ole made a match-winning sub today, deserves credit for that, as he does the criticism when things go wrong.
Like I said. Either you misinterpreted me or I misunderstood your question. And I believe I've already given you a clearer explanation of Poch actually not being the one capable of winning us titles which is what you thought I meant. So I'll end it here as I also have no interest in arguing and just want to enjoy the win
Oh yeah of course, not everyone is in the same boat but there would still be people questioning his ability.
It’s not the doubters that’s getting the stick, it’s the sad fanatics that sprayed this thread with acid and puke from the 22nd minute to the 60th. That had nothing to do with doubting, that was pure hate.....
Starting with Greenwood wasn't a good decision IMO. The lad has had his troubles recently and shouldn't be rewarded with an immediate return to the starting lineup. Also, he didn't offer much outside of the runs he made beyond the defense and the lucky chance he failed to convert.
The diamond was fine I guess but it entirely depended on how the players executed it. Southampton were stumped initially but the two set piece goals changed the game and then we had to chase it which opened up our flanks for their counterattacks.
He did redeem himself by changing things up at half-time instead of waiting for the 60 minute mark. He deserved the credit for changing it up and then his substitute scoring 2 and assisting 1.
The diamond was fine I guess but it entirely depended on how the players executed it. Southampton were stumped initially but the two set piece goals changed the game and then we had to chase it which opened up our flanks for their counterattacks.
He did redeem himself by changing things up at half-time instead of waiting for the 60 minute mark. He deserved the credit for changing it up and then his substitute scoring 2 and assisting 1.
Some of my favourites. That being said, we'll probably get tonked by PSG now.
Then again, no I don't think so.Wanting Ole sacked like you’ve wanted for so long means you can’t want the team to win, else you’ll have to eat your arrogance.
now trying to jump in the success bandwagon now too.
Some of my favourites. That being said, we'll probably get tonked by PSG now.
Nah, the big games we're always up to it.
Forgive me, I'm confused, is Ole at the wheel again?
Being happy about today's win and saying it's proof he's not good enough are not mutually exclusive things. We were still down in the first half, again, creating very little and looking lost. We get some things very right but we are a long way off challenging for any kind of title.
Love these quotes! I wonder if the posters will hold their hands up and say “I was wrong, and that’s why I’m not a player or a manager”
Probably not...
Wanting Ole sacked like you’ve wanted for so long means you can’t want the team to win, else you’ll have to eat your arrogance.
now trying to jump in the success bandwagon now too.
I think the majority of us simply want to see the team playing consistently well and winning games in the process, whether that be with Ole in charge or otherwise.
It's not always personal
I think the majority of us simply want to see the team playing consistently well and winning games in the process, whether that be with Ole in charge or otherwise.
It's not always personal
I admire your patience in the line of such 'logic'
We were pretty average first half. The diamond (which evolved into matching their 4222) initially did well at stifling them but we didn't create much clear cut apart from Greenwood's chance from their 2 GK errors. It's not a formation we have played a lot recently and we were disjointed and after a good start descended into being very much So'ton's half. So'ton are a team that is well drilled and press well but, especially without Ings, simply don't have enough quality or firepower (which we saw given they only scored from set pieces) and we definitely made it hard for ourselves by starting with too cautious/negative a setup and that's becoming a theme (WBA, Brighton, Soton). Would you agree with that?
Some of my favourites. That being said, we'll probably get tonked by PSG now.
Fantastic
Like reading through the RAWK thread after they don’t win
Again, this is you. This is your argument & what makes you doubt about Ole
And when I told / asked you ''So basically there is no manager can do it then? ''. You shouted out Poch name as that manager who can do it under this board.
Watch us be too at Christmas now hahaha the reverse jinx
I think the majority of us simply want to see the team playing consistently well and winning games in the process, whether that be with Ole in charge or otherwise.
It's not always personal
Agreed, majority are fine. Unfortunately, the loud, prolific ones tend to not be in that group.
Absolutely pathetic the comments from when we went behind.
I cant work out what people want. The bias is so strong they just want to see one way.
Honestly from the comments say most of them were absolutely livid when cavani got his 2nd.
Going by the logic if Ole is the fault for being behind first half then surely he gets all the credit for winning in the 2nd half. He must be a genius
we conceded a goal from a corner kick. This never happens to any team. You’re right, the manager has to go.
You really have a fecking problem mate. I've already said I misunderstood your question and what I said earlier was due to that misunderstanding.
This is my explanation of what I meant when I said Poch and i clearly said I may have misunderstood your question. What more do you wantI think you've totally misunderstood me or maybe i misunderstood your question as I never said or meant this. Shouted Pochettino?
I'm not a Pochettino fan and don't want him here. I didn't bring up his name to say he can win the league, I mentioned him as an example of the few coaches that has the ability to get a club to surpass their expectations and not as an example of a coach that can win us the league. I mention him along with Klopp and Hassenhutl because these coaches all have the ability to surpass expectations as they've done it in their previous clubs and it wasn't a fluke like Ranieri.
If we are talking about the type of coach to win us a title under our current incompetent management then he must have two things - winning mentality (because the club itself has no ambition to be the best) and the ability to surpass expectations (because the club will not provide the manager a team superior to the other 19 teams). This is where I would rule out Pochettino as he doesn't seem to have a winning mentality. Klopp would be the most obvious candidate
As long as top 4 is looking likely I'm willing to stick with Ole for the remainder of his contract not because I think he's good enough or better than other available coaches but because I currently don't see a clear candidate available that can take us back to the top under our current management.
One other thing we would need to start winning titles again is good recruitment of players. We didn't have that under our former coaches but I think we've started doing that and I'm hoping we've sorted that out thanks to Ole
. It seems like you just want to have the last word in every conversation and you think you know it all so I'm not going to bother replying you because you surely will have something to say again and it's a waste of time going back and forth with youThat's not what the poster said, is it? Talk about strawman.
7 wins from 10 post Tottenham. 4 in a row too which is great.
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