Nope, as you well know, top managers are few and far between.
Would you sack or keep Ole? (Poll reopened)
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Nope, as you well know, top managers are few and far between.
I’m sure we’d all hate a manager that wins the league at least once every second year on average.
I know I used to hate it.
This place was swimming with people asking for him to be sacked every year we didn’t win.
Thats not an unfair suspicion. He has it all to prove, and only trophies are going to do that, but does anybody really think we are ready to compete with City and Liverpool over 38 tough league matches? Further to that, does anyone think that we can get a manager that can suddenly make us that good?
How is improvement measured? By so many metrics we have improved. League position. Goals scored and conceded. Points totals. Those are set in stone. They are what they are.
Then we come to the arguable metrics. The squad depth. The signings. The style of play. Thats up to the individual. For me squad depth is better. Signings have been mostly successful. We carry far less fat in the squad. The wage bill is in better shape.
Style of play is not so clear. Our best is better than it has been since Ferguson IMO, but we dont have consistency in performance, despite the fact that we've won more points than most since Bruno signed. Thats the next barrier to overcome, and ultimately what will dictate whether Ole is the man for right now or the man to finish the job. Unless we completely collapse thats something to be decided at season end.
Indeed, and none of those are available to us, so why not give our guy a chance of becoming one?
Trying that one again? Didn’t you get laughed out of here last time you tried it.
The side Ole took over finished second, scored more, conceded less, on much higher points. And if the squad and depth looks better as you say, why has Mourinho still outperformed him with a worse squad at all of those “set in stone” metrics?
Keep comparing Ole against himself though why don’t you.
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Some are available that have shown a shit load more potential than Ole ever has at Molde, Cardiff or two years at United.
2 years is more than a “chance”.
Comment from Mark Lawrenson on the BBC website after Liverpool’s win tonight.
“Since Jurgen Klopp has arrived, he has completely turned the football club around.
Not that it was in any precarious position, but the standard of the teams he puts out, week in, week out, is outstanding.”
I just can’t see Ole leading us to the same level. He is not a strong enough character and he lacks the technical knowledge the rebuilding work requires.
“Since Jurgen Klopp has arrived, he has completely turned the football club around.
Not that it was in any precarious position, but the standard of the teams he puts out, week in, week out, is outstanding.”
I just can’t see Ole leading us to the same level. He is not a strong enough character and he lacks the technical knowledge the rebuilding work requires.
Not true. Criticising SAF was always blasphemous on here. Doing so was always a good way to get tracked and lynched
Regardless of whether you think Ole should stay or go, the whole club was in the pits when he took over. Mourinho had driven us into the ground and ultimately wasn’t a very good coach for us. Hence why he was sacked and had very few people defending him.
I'm not saying Ole does but you don't know any of this.
We had a worse start last year to when Mourinho got sacked @Zen86, and we’re on course to do it again this season.
With a better and happier squad. Go figure.
And where did we finish last season?
Not surprising that you’ve come out from under your rock again, you were spouting the same shit this time last year and went into hiding from January onwards.
Hiding? Have a look where I was, I was active and pleased for Ole, hoping we’d kick on.
https://www.redcafe.net/search/285064/?page=4
“Hiding”
And my reply to the “set in stone” stats is just the truth. Ole’s best season was worse in every metric than the season before he came in. No point dressing that up or comparing Ole against himself.
How can someone get laughed out of an Internet forum exactly? Stop being a drama queen
Season on season we improved in all of those metrics. We might well do so again. It took us 10 games last year to reach the heady heights of 13 points. We've only played 8 games and we've done it already (I'm being tongue in cheek here in case you bite)
Put it this way. I think it wise that we judge him at the end of season. The club seem to be backing him fully. We are going to find out one way or another. You may as well get comfortable with the situation.
Yes. There is certainly a Glaston-like feel to our RABs sudden return to the battlefield. He'd pretty much admitted to being wrong by the end of last season.
There is no chance many here would have the patience to give a manager time to build a team to compete regularly. First sign of struggle there would be calls for him to go and start over again.
Please. You practically disappeared from this thread after being so overwhelmingly vocal beforehand.
But anyway. Is Ole able to win the league for us? I don’t know. He’s done a good job rebuilding, but I’m not entirely confident he can instil the machinelike consistency we need. What I do know is that our form will pick up this season, and you’ll evaporate once more.
I haven’t been away, stop making up shit. Check the link.
“Wrong” I wasn’t, our points total was an utter embarrassment. I simply thought that he deserved the Summer window and to start another season after showing improvement from Jan.
That’s a pretty level headed flexible view I’d say, rather than your permanent excuses.
https://www.redcafe.net/search/285064/?page=4
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There’s about 10 pages of my posts after January @Zen86 man.
Thats bullsh*t. I've been here come rain or shine throughout, in all of the same threads. Havent noticed any of your posts for ages, and they are generally hard to miss.
https://www.redcafe.net/search/285076/
You seem to struggle with “cold hard” facts.
There’s 14 fecking pages full of my posts since January 31st 2020. My god you pair are having a mare making up your own fantasies.
I struggle with people who only ever seem to want to score points on a forum. 'Laughed out of the forum' is a great example. Who says that? Are you 12?
I'm almost invested enough in this to make an effort to find some of your posts before you vanished. Almost.
Perception is reality.
How often has Ole come over to you as being inspirational when being interviewed? When you watch him, do you think he has the bearing and aura of a manager that his players will metaphorically lay down their lives for? Who they truly respect and believe in? I don’t personally.
Regularly, he seems incapable of taking decisive action when the team is up against it. This seems to be particularly difficult for him when substitutions are obviously needed.
In short, through his words, deeds and demeanour, does he make you feel truly confident in him and trust his decision making?
Now, after much patience and allowance making, I have to say no to those questions.
There 14 pages of my “vanished”, go wild.
You have 14 pages too since Jan.
Zen has 8.
Fantasy World from you pair. Expected though consider you live in a World where Ole suddenly turns into one the games best managers cause “time”.
This is me so it should save you time/
• Ole deserved to see out his caretaker period for the season cause of the honeymoon.
• He was incredibly lucky to start the next season considering how we finished.
• His start was then worse than the one that got Mourinho sacked. Surviving that only happens at United, extremely lucky.
• He then fully deserved the Summer and to start this season after improving drastically in the second half.
And now we’re back to another dog shit start that looks performance wise and points wise like matching Mourinho’s fired year again. Read that twice, for two seasons running he’s on course to start the season as bad as a guy we fired for how bad it was, after finishing 2nd just months earlier.
Ole needs to drastically improve or he’ll be shown the door I’m sure, he won’t be allowed to game 15 with this point ratio like he was last season. Not a chance.
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At this point anyone who thinks Ole can turn things around is simply delusional. He just does not have it in him.
Bored of this already. If I wanted to argue I've got two teenage girls much more readily available. They only disappear when its chore time.
What do you mean by 'turn things around'? The season has barely started. We're the outsider for top 4 with Chelsea and Spurs stealing an early march on us but of course he has it in him as proved last season.
I do but don't keep track of usernames on here or people's views. I keep having to dispute notions that SAF and Ole's doubts aren't similar. Thought you were one of those who compare them with a straight face
Will try remember your username so your next sarcastic post doesnt fly over my head
Klopp will not take over and pep is also not possible. My preferred choices to take over would be:
Poch
Tuchel
Ralph Hasenhuttl
Have to say Tuchel's stock has gone down. Poch seems the only logical choice.
Poch
Tuchel
Ralph Hasenhuttl
Have to say Tuchel's stock has gone down. Poch seems the only logical choice.
3 nasty PL games ahead I see.
Southampton away
WHU away
City home
Moyes might get him the sack, feck me how depressing.
Surely Bilbo, Zen, Leftback et al understand that this start is fecking depressing for us all, we’d all love to be proven clueless idiots and I for one was delighted we clinched top 4. I wanted nothing more (and still do) for Ole to start well and have a cracking season.
If Ole smashes it from here on out and Bilbo wants to gloat about RAB the moron, fecking awesome, I’m game.
I just wanna see United play good football more often than not, with our expensively assembled squad it really is the least we should expect.
Southampton away
WHU away
City home
Moyes might get him the sack, feck me how depressing.
Surely Bilbo, Zen, Leftback et al understand that this start is fecking depressing for us all, we’d all love to be proven clueless idiots and I for one was delighted we clinched top 4. I wanted nothing more (and still do) for Ole to start well and have a cracking season.
If Ole smashes it from here on out and Bilbo wants to gloat about RAB the moron, fecking awesome, I’m game.
I just wanna see United play good football more often than not, with our expensively assembled squad it really is the least we should expect.
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With Liverpool and City, most of us are not expecting him to win. We expect him to bridge the gap and hopefully compete in 2-3 years. Yes, he made the team young but there is no system in place. His best strategy is counterattacking football, that's why he does well with big team but struggle like weak team. He will yet be beaten by Southampton, Leicester, Wolves, Burnley and etc. Losing to weaker teams can happen once in while but Ole's team is consistent at doing that.
Can't see this board being that ruthless. Chances of pep being sacked before him is high.
you see @ Regulus Arcturus Black. I wasn't the only one
ha ha.
We lost 6-1 to Spurs, City lost 5-2 to Leicester, Liverpool lost 7-2 to Villa... one-off results say feck all. We also had ten players for most of the match.
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Hold up, didn't you start this thread below?
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/is-poch-really-the-answer.458684/
It's not really going to prove anyone as clueless idiots either way. You think we'd definitely do better with a new manager in those next 3 games and beyond, I'm not convinced. We'll never know.
It's been a poor start from Solskjaer (and the players) but you said yourself in July that he deserved this season, have a bit of patience to back your judgement.
How do you finish 3rd & suddenly fans accept being ‘outsiders for Top 4’; the excuse can’t always be to buy our way out of trouble.
I’d have preferred more signings in the last window but our wage bill is one of the highest in the league; let’s say we should reasonably expect 5th [I take that as being an outsider for the top 4] - is expecting OgS to overachieve as numerous other managers do season in season out unreasonable, no.
The season is far from over but regression from an unremarkable 3rd place last season to outside the Top 4 is pathetic.
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