I really wish we could send some of you johnny-come-latelys out on loan to a club like Accrington Stanley for 6 months then you might learn what being a supporter is actually about.
Anyhow must dash, my Sugar Puffs are getting soggy.
Would you sack or keep Ole? (Poll reopened)
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I really wish we could send some of you johnny-come-latelys out on loan to a club like Accrington Stanley for 6 months then you might learn what being a supporter is actually about.
Anyhow must dash, my Sugar Puffs are getting soggy.
It was much ad about nothing, and it should never have got out.
It doesn‘t seem logical to repeat the same steps as we have so far. If this is a long term project, I think it‘s good to have a manager who would be willing to stay for as long as necessary. Most „proven“ managers at this moment in time would stay as far away from us as possible. Only we still think of ourselves as a top club right now.
I think Ole might be as good as we can get at the moment. As much as many of us hope or think, Poch will never sign for us, neither will anybody proven, with real ambition. We are not the final destination for top managers. The only way we will get one is by taking a shot at somebody who ticks the right boxes and has potential. It might be Ole, it might not.
Ole doesn't tick the right boxes though, he's mediocre and if he didn't have a history with the club, he'd have even less backing on here than he already does.
It makes me sick that Woody will survive again, hire anything manager and it'll be a repeat, but Ole isn't the answer, so we might as well improve in one area instead of letting the whole thing be a mess.
Ole started the season without a recognised striker, yet he also said he was happy with the squad, what top manger would of allowed this. Sorry but United isn’t the place for managers to come and learn their trade and try and see how good they could be given time...
I remember it. I was a fan before then but times have definitely changed and the pressure and expectations have risen crazily ... so too have shareholder expectations. Utd, whether we like it or not is a business now and a big one at that.
That may be so, but I was talking more about a clear view of a style of football and some kind of proof of tactical training on the pitch. We are currently displaying neither. How can the managers of smaller clubs produce a clear style of play and we can't? Sorry dude, I just can't buy that.
I've said before and I stick by it, take Brendan Rogers at Leicester or Nuno Santo at Wolves, they both had an immediate effect on playing style with what were comparatively (not sure about that) worse squads. They both have a very clear playing style and, more importantly, able to implement it. Sorry, I've seen nothing to suggest Ole can do the same.
Yes, he's bought in 3 good players, but 2 of them were already on our radar. I just don't think our current coaching and managerial set up are right or experienced enough to help us in our current state. And do we really have time to give them to learn? ... in the hope they come good? How far will we fall behind the rest of our rivals before we act?
As I've already said before, I would be patient with a manager that, regardless of results, was showing some proper man management and implementation of a clear playing style but I don't see Ole as that manager.
So, who is the answer and ticks your boxes? And why would that manager want to come to Utd under these circumstances?
The truth that too many of our fans are acting like spoilt little princesses, it's simple really, and if you asked any neutral fan they'd confirm it. Stop being so friggin sensitive about it.
And did you see any evidence of any kind of playing style or tactics in SAF's first 10 months in charge? And if you answer yes you're lying.
Naive eh? So it's okay for you to insult people, rightio.
If you asked any neutral fan they were laughing when we made Ole permanent saying it was a mistake, and they're still laughing now. Honestly, if anything we've gained some pity in a weird way.
And stop with the name calling, I'm sure you're old enough to know better.
No it still leaves Ole incompetent but the new manager will still firstly be appointed by Ed (he’s not good at that), then whoever it is will have his transfer targets signed/not signed by Ed and Judge (spoiler their not good at that).
Ole should go because he’s not a very good manager but this time next year we’ll still most likely be shit because this isn’t a football club run by people who know anything about football.
As to who replaces Ed someone who knows something about football and doesn’t surround themselves with their mates who are investment bankers would be a start.
That's not the point.
The point is that Moyes was so out of depth that he was showing videos of Jagielka to Ferdinand and Vidic - two of the most accomplished center backs of their generation. It shows how much Moyes knew about top level football. It shows what an absolutely horrific decision it was to appoint him. But you - and Neville - think he should have been persisted with.
The laughable thing here man is it's actually YOU that would be best advised finding a new club to support because the owners are about to axe your boy from his management gig. This is no longer the club you love mate, the board are proving it every year. Ole is gone. There IS no loyalty at MUFC anymore, either accept it or move on to a different club!
Worth also pointing out that Brighton players are learning a brand new system. The change from Hughton's set up last year to Potter's this season is like changing from Burnley's tactics to City's overnight! It shows players can adapt, learn and change.
Ahh, the old this didn't happen to Fergie line. Stop living in the past. Its 2019 not 1989. You are not the only supporter that lived through the lean years so get off your high horse and see what's right in front of you.
Any neutral fan recognises that Ole should be no where near the top job at our club, but keep convincing yourself you're the only true fan because you will stick by poor managers.
Fergie was an anomaly and football has changed a lot in 30 years. You cannot show zero improvement while asking for time to implement ideas.
Ole has shown nothing, no tactics, playing style or a management style that suggests he has the dressing room. He currently cant motivate a bunch of kids to play.
I voted keep, continuously changing is the issue. Getting the club philosophy back on track is key. Barca have lads playing in their academy the Barca way so when they get to first team they fit in easily. Top down the style of play, type of player, training, fitness and desire all the way through. We bought good players over the few years but all different styles. Watch the scouse these days where lads like Mane, Firmino run their nuts off to get it back ala Rooney and Tevez. Front to back Ole needs lads who'll die for the cause, that's what I think hes trying to get from them and granted perhaps it's awful but give him 1 more transfer window. Hes had 1 and signed 3 lads who all fit in, it's the wasters and mercenaries like Pogba who need to go.
The same neutrals and opposition fans who were in hysterics at the unadulterated idiocy of giving Ole the job in the first place. Loving every extra minute that United continue to let the Ole managerial rot fester.Go and canvas fans of Arsenal, Chelsea, Spurs, Liverpool, City, Bayern, Dortmund, Barca, Real, Atletico, Juve, PSG and see if any of them would be happy giving the managers job to a rank amateur like Ole with nothing on their cv, and if they'd be happy keeping him on after he drives them down into relegation form.
After a few bad results, Lyon have already sacked their recent manager who they appointed after Ole. Aulas is ruthless like that
Is this an answer to my comments or your thoughts in general ?
I can't discern your answer to my comments here.
For those who want to keep Ole, which clubs in world football do you think would be remotely interested in him if their current manager resigned?
You have to be ruthless to be successful.
We need to start being ruthless if we are to be successful, and get someone completely new. We need to start with clearing all the scouts and replacing them, then the coaches.
Not even Molde now, they are going to win the title this year.
Go and canvas fans of Arsenal, Chelsea, Spurs, Liverpool, City, Bayern, Dortmund, Barca, Real, Atletico, Juve, PSG and see if any of them would be happy giving the managers job to a rank amateur like Ole with nothing on their cv, and if they'd be happy keeping him on after he drives them down into relegation form.
Exactly this and coupled with the point Ole started the season with these players, it’s as if this situation was totally unforeseen while I agree it’s worse than most would of thought a blind mans dog could of told you this squad was thread bare and had no recognised striker what do you expect. According to Ole Bruno Fernandez wasn’t good enough and Dybala wasn’t coming for the right reasons, we’ll who would want to come play here for Ole it’s only some United supporters who think Ole is this top manager worth giving time to, what is this based on?
Someone said in a previous post what top managers would want to come to United? Well in the same breath you could ask what top players would want to come play for Ole, I don’t agree United is this undesirable club for mangers we are still the biggest club in the Prem at the moment but we are not acting like it...
Ole, you are a legend, let us remember you always like the one who came in 89th minute to give us the UCL trophy, not the one who ruined the club. Resign now.
He is not going to resign! Would you?
Not gonna give up his huge payoff and who can blame him!
I would walk to Ed, and tell him, listen Ed, I dont think I am the right person, I love this club and I dont want to ruin it, If we can reach to an agreement that I get the rest of this year's contract, I can go in a mutual agreement. Nobody will blame him for ruining the club because he wants his payoff, because it is his right. But he cant call himself a club legend anymore and expect the same respect from the fans, it's either or.
Totally agree! Football is ok, we are just lacking goal scorers. Also, I think he needs more experienced help, Carrick doesn't have it, and Phelan - well I think he's past it!
Looks like we are totally out of luck. I still think we should think long term. When we are getting our full team back, our luck will hopefully turn : )
In your eyes. Ole the player will always be a legend. Failing as our manager doesn't change what he did for us on the pitch. This is the problem, there's far too emotion towards him due to his history. We need to stop judging him based on our feelings towards him as a player and realise the player and the manager are not the same person.
The club chose to hand a rookie manager the reigns so hes entitled to any pay out that may occur and that shouldn't change how we feel about his past.
Even if Ed is replaced I'm pretty sure it will be closer to investment banker rather than a footballing guy. I'm not sure why everyone seems to think that it would be better.
The problem is not the CEO but the lack of DoF. I wouldn't trust the Glazers to hire a better CEO that would change our fortunes.
We need a DoF and the CEO to do all the other non-football related stuff.
That being said Ole is still one of the main problems - he's terribly out of depth and is making the squad/team worse with every week.
seems some of the nationals look here! they've jumped on my "if we lose badly to Liverpool, Ole will be gone" 
Not gonna lie I changed my mind since my post. Think Ole needs to go.
I sort of gave up on Ole after reading the interview (can't remember where or how many actual quotes there were) where he told us to forget past glories and that we aren't a powerhouse any more. Ummm, Ole: we noticed!
If Ed decides to start over once again, does anyone know what the damage would be to sack Ole? (£££)
Isn’t he on around a quarter of what Mourinho was? I reckon at most it’ll be about £6m.
We sold/loaned 7 players this summer that had no future at Old Trafford but Mata,Matic,Fred,Rojo,Young,Jones,Mensah,Peireira,Lingard and Bailly hardly have a long future at the club based on ability either. We have been horrible in the transfer market since 2013 despite spending around 900 million pounds. There has just been one player that could be described as a hit and that was Ibra even though he was a short term signing. We have players like Bissaka,Maguire and James this summer and I like them as signings. There is no manager that could get a result with this current crop of players as we need 6 to 8 new players for the squad and there is no way around that.
The football is dreadful!
The board should honestly move Ole to DoF position and find an interim to navigate this season. Saves faces and solves both problems.
But of course given the thick heads the club has appointed, none of the above will actually happen.
But of course given the thick heads the club has appointed, none of the above will actually happen.
I'm still in a state of shock that on a daily basis people are suggesting this without a hint of taking the piss.
Why? what has he done to get the job?
We need to stop handing out jobs at United for fun.
Ed: "Ole you were a brilliant player, everyone loves you, but you failed as a manager, but here you go you can have DOF instead"
Why reward someone for failures?
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