Carry on chap.
Would you sack or keep Ole? (Poll reopened)
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Carry on chap.
I really hope the people who still want to keep him go live in a parallel universe and continue to enjoy this football for all eternity, long after we have sacked him in this universe.
They won't; they derive most of their pleasure from telling us how they are better fans than us. They need us!
You know what, in a weird way I respected you for your continuance defiance for managers and patience. But, then I read that you were a part of the contingent who wanted Mourinho out. You're no different to many others, who had different barometers of judging a specific manager and wanted them gone once the results weren't arriving. Get off your high horse and stop name-calling people just because their viewpoints don't align with yours. I'm sure you must've had your reasons for wanting Mourinho gone, but I highly doubt anyone quoted you and called you a 'spoiled prince' for asking him to be axed.
It is the same now, consensus is divided for a different man in-charge. You just happen to be on the other side, have the basic courtesy to engage in a healthy discussion as to why many have a different opinion than yours instead of posting a sea of green smileys at the end of every post.
That must have been some survey, I presume you got help
And what was the reason Sir Matt(with no pedigree)was given more time?
If you'd been in the wide-awake you'd know I didn't actually bring David Moyes into the discussion. And if anything those that keep mentioning Moyes are the ones to move on, it's friggin embarrassing.
Super fan, seriously!?
2600 people voted. How many members on the caf ? @mods
That must have been some survey, I presume you got help
And what was the reason Sir Matt(with no pedigree)was given more time?
That's not even considering the tragedy of Munich a few years later.
Sir Matt showed actual progression and vision, the opposite of what we are witnessing now.
I love the self-righteous brothers me, altogether now ".... time goes by so slowly, and time can do so much"
One thing that we have witnessed in this past 6+ years of shambles is that once it goes downhill none of Moyes, LVG and Mourinho managed to turn back the tide. I think the same will happen with Solskjaer, anything else resembles of a blind hope at this point.
We’ll be at full strength following the international break and after the Liverpool game we’ve got a really good run of games that we should be winning with a full strength team, if we perform poorly and don’t take at least ten points from those 5-6 games then I’m afraid as much as I love Ole he needs to go.
Never thought I’d say it but I’d bring in Wenger until the end of the season (if he’d come) and decide which one of Nagelsmaan, Ten Hag, Pochettino or Tuchel to bring in but whichever one we do has to have a genuine plan, tactic, formation, style and backed 100% by the board in every way asked.
Never thought I’d say it but I’d bring in Wenger until the end of the season (if he’d come) and decide which one of Nagelsmaan, Ten Hag, Pochettino or Tuchel to bring in but whichever one we do has to have a genuine plan, tactic, formation, style and backed 100% by the board in every way asked.
Eddie Howe would be my choice to replace Ole. Pochettino also is amazing but he might get bored after a few years and fancy Spain.
I think if we don't beat Norwich, then bring in Eddie Howe ASAP. I don't think Ole ever was the right guy but the hope was he would at least get us back into the top 4, with a long term plan signing the best kids from cold climates who adapt easier such as UK/Ireland/France/Norway etc
I think if we don't beat Norwich, then bring in Eddie Howe ASAP. I don't think Ole ever was the right guy but the hope was he would at least get us back into the top 4, with a long term plan signing the best kids from cold climates who adapt easier such as UK/Ireland/France/Norway etc
Very good post. If we completely remove the sentimental aspect from it and dont get me wrong when he first came in I was hoping it would go well for him, however it's got to the point where we are going backwards, alarmingly quickly and like Moyes looks completely lost. Yes he has the injuries but Lampard lost their best player and had the transfer ban yet Chelsea are moving forwards and scoring goals
Liverpool sacked Kenny Dalglish, a club legend, when it didn't work the second time around and I bet while Lampard would possibly be given a bit more time and rope due to the transfer ban if he had the same run of results by mid season I bet Chelsea wouldn't be thinking twice.
Ole is being judged for what he is bringing to the table currently just as this wont ruin my affection for him as a player it is also time for him to go as a manager.
If this was Pochettino (for example as thats who a lot of people wanted) who came in after Liverpool and followed the exact same sequence of results and same football on the pitch, same coaching techniques etc as Ole has shown, I wonder what the vote split would be?
I don't deny Ole has a deep love and affection for United and he does get us however so do a lot of people on the Cafe however there is a reason people on the Cafe are not managing United, unfortunately it isnt enough to have an affection for them, much as it would be a lot of our dream jobs.
If you think I'm referring to the consensus on the caf from rivals you couldn't be more wrong, although I have noticed plenty saying he needs to go.
I work with mainly City fans and they are loving our situation because they can see the mess Ole has created and continues to create. They don't fear him or his masterplan. They want him to stay because he's dragging us into mid table obscurity. Their reasons for wanting him to stay differ widely from your romantic ideals. The objective oppo fans all agree they would want him gone if they were in our shows. Ffs I even had a County fan tell me he's out of his depth.
Also the mood around OT is anything but positive. There were a lot of rumblings in the Stretty during Astana and that only grew during the Rochdale match. Our Fan's tend not to be too vocal in booing the manager or team, but they definitely recognise the dire situation we find ourselves in.
Well obviously the City fans are loving it, do you think I was suicidal when Graeme Souness was derailing Liverpool?
Have you just been on Wikipedia and edited the Stockport County page? Apparently Marcus Rashford was their Manager(1926-1931)and has the highest win rate(57.92%)of their top 10 Managers
Ole has the right idea of a vision forward but the problem is it looks like he can't coach. It would appear the players don't buy into anything he is trying to tell them and maybe that's because what they are hearing is wrong.
Won't need an excuse because I don't think for one second we'll be in this mess come Xmas.
Pretty sure he will get it right with eternity on his side
I wouldn't count on it.
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Yeah it’s somehow soothing to know that in some universe, we will win the league with Ole after this start, while Pool get relegated, and City is banned from football.Pretty sure he will get it right with eternity on his side
Or maybe they're just bottom-feeders thinking too highly of themselves - perhaps the coaching is more than adequate but the players themselves simply not skilled enough to make it at this club. I mean it's not as if this is the first coaching staff they've let down.
Thankfully the end is near and this debate will be over. The players are obviously getting feed up with Ole's Sunday League tactics, results are starting to impact United finances, and the negativity surrounding the club is just as bad as it was under Jose in his final weeks. The club will be forced to act and our upcoming games won't do Ole any favors. Not that it matters anyway.
You might well be right but I hope not as that would take ages to fix
Yeah a strong structure, and a better quality of player, but once they crossed that white-line he was still a novice, it worked out okay for them if memory serves, but it was still a massive gamble.
And having the transfer ban is the best thing that could've happened for Lumpard, he doesn't have to live or die on his dealings, that and Chelsea have been stockpiling the best young kids for the last 7/8 years, it's just a case of eeny meeny miny moe for him as in who he selects.
Ole didn't stand a cat in hell's chance at Cardiff, the Chairman was calling the shots undermining Ole at every turn. I'm surprised he didn't walk earlier.
Yeah that’s not how it works. I’ll stick to supporting United and demand a winning culture that any reasonable fan can agree with.
How is his % of wins?
It's an interesting debate; MP is there with Ole, the squad needs resetting, there are injuries and a thin squad.
Would be sensible to keep, Sanchez, Lukaku and all the others? I'm happy to write the season off, off Pogba and build..
I'm not for sacking Ole.
Would be sensible to keep, Sanchez, Lukaku and all the others? I'm happy to write the season off, off Pogba and build..
I'm not for sacking Ole.
Not sure why you are mentioning Munich, that was 12/13 years after he took the job, as a favour.
I was reading one of his books from 57 recently and he wrote that he was told on talking the Gig he would get as much time as he needed to get things rolling, which is obviously a better environment to work in than the current one where if you don't finish T4 you're toast, whether progress is being made or not.
Fair enough.
From what I've seen I think I'm right. Our buildup is way improved from what it used to be - defense, possession, work rate and even pressure looking quite good most of the time - and our play warrants better results than we're seeing. It's our execution in that final third that's the problem - and it's a massive one at that. We're so impotent up front it's embarrassing to watch - and that's not down to any tactics. The openings are there being created regularly but our ball carriers are either blind to them or ignoring them attempting all sorts of stupid instead (dribbling into the middle of nowhere, attempting hopeless shots which they can't even get on target or simply going for a safe pass back towards supporting players disrupting our flow). And even when they do manage to exploit the space we create and actually succeeds in linking up with someone who's either made a run or positioned themselves favorably - then the recipient of this linkup can't even hit an open net. Our supposedly best players can't even be trusted to score a penalty for feck's sake
This is not something Solskjaer's taught them - none of it. That guy was a genius attacker and a world class finisher - this is purely down to their own inadequacies.
Agreed.
The football is horrible and directionless, Ole himself is utterly clueless and he absolutely has to go. He literally has zero redeeming features as a manager. He’s a great person and a club legend as a player but he’s a terrible manager.
I wouldn’t take notice of his posts. He thinks Lingard and Ole are awesome. The top of the top reds.
Yeah he’s what we call a gatekeeper.
It’s hilarious that after all of our poor managerial appointments, some weirdos feel spouting their sanctimonious holier than thou agendas is worthwhile. Sorry, but most logical normal fans want the club to be successful again.
No one wants the Glazers or Ed but they’re here and while they remain, we need a modern, progressive manager to come in who can actually coach and improve players and work with what he has. But hey, supporting a manager clearly out of his depth that’s shown regression as opposed to progression is obviously some fans forte. Being a top red is definitely more important.
Oh and what weirdo eats sugar puffs unless you’re like 13 which would explain a-lot about one certain poster.
No one wants the Glazers or Ed but they’re here and while they remain, we need a modern, progressive manager to come in who can actually coach and improve players and work with what he has. But hey, supporting a manager clearly out of his depth that’s shown regression as opposed to progression is obviously some fans forte. Being a top red is definitely more important.
Oh and what weirdo eats sugar puffs unless you’re like 13 which would explain a-lot about one certain poster.
I can think of other names but I wouldn’t want to get into trouble.
47,5%... He's had two extremes where he opened with an incredibly amazing couple of months - record breaking so - even ended up manager of the month the first we've had in seven years - and then an abysmal run following this.
What the fecks wrong with Sugar Puffs?
Are you be obtuse on purpose?
The club was not what it is now in the late 40s early 50s. We had bounced between divisions and expectations were low. The club could afford to give time, but Sir Matt showed an instant improvement so their faith was justified. We don't know what may have happened had Sir Matt not finished 2nd in his first season.
What you are proposing is what Liverpool tried in the early 90s. Back club legends and hope they can turn it around. We are mirroring their decline to a frightening degree.
Solskjaer has shown absolutely zero progress. If we continue to let him manage the team we risk a serious chance of a relegation battle. It's becoming more evident his initial run was simply the new manager effect.
The squad probably isn't good enough for a top 6 spot currently, but we should be seeing some signs of a plan. We look completely devoid of ideas and that falls solely on the manager.
We absolutely need to gut the squad but we need someone who is at least implementing some sort of strategy, not blindly throwing youth players out and hoping they click somehow.
We can't blame the injuries because we've looked equally clueless with our supposed best 11 playing.
what has he done that so many people are convinced that he has the right vision?
Keep hearing this over and over and I dont think that buying young hungry english players is either warranty of success nor financially healthy since english players are way overhyped and overpriced.
If its about the signings he made I don't give him credit either, Maguire and AWB were obvious any manager would had wanted them. Would be like praising Simeone for buying Joao Felix. The only debatable one is James but still we have seen very little of the three of them to take as a fact that they all been a success.
Boys, I think I found Glaston's alter ego.
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