Not sure Mike Phelan is under qualified?
I agree that Ole’s coaching could and probably should be upgraded though.
Would you sack or keep Ole? (Poll reopened)
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I agree that Ole’s coaching could and probably should be upgraded though.
So you all seem to have pretty much the same idea.
The only problem with it is, it isn't just under Ole. It has happened under LVG and Mourinho too.
Like Keane recently said, it isn't up to the manager to motive the players. They are playing for the biggest club in the world, they should be motivated themselves to win every time they step out there.
They should be wanting to prove themselves every time they step out there.
Why do these players not put Ole's obvious instructions of playing with intensity, playing the ball fast, pressing etc into plan. They always seem to have to wait until half time for him to remind them to try again.
So what if the actual problem as I alluded too in the first post is less the manager, less the player, and more the fact that based on our recruitment and structure we award players who have never done anything in the first place?
Phelan has never been credited with doing any coaching at United. No players talk about him unlike about Quiroz or even Rene.
I wouldn't say he is. But he seems like just a blast from the past when football has changed. You can say he's underqualified in the modern game
If you think this is the case then maybe Ole should spend more time on the touchline constantly reminding them. He probably forgot to remind them half time against Istanbul. I'd say it's more on the manager because I don't doubt for a second that we would play more motivated under Fergie or even Klopp. Do you think otherwise?
You think Messi will let this result influence his decision to join us when his Barca contract expires in the summer? Even bigger game than I thought if so.
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A blinkered analysis that is being lapped up by usual suspects. Colour me surprised...
The bloke was already 15 when Messi was born.
Given Oles chosen lineup today....
He deserves the sack if we lose.
He deserves maximum credit if we win.
Because that looks like a shit lineup on the face of it. Either we're all idiots or he's the idiot today.
He deserves the sack if we lose.
He deserves maximum credit if we win.
Because that looks like a shit lineup on the face of it. Either we're all idiots or he's the idiot today.
If I was Pochettino I'd learn from Moyes and Oles tenures.
Bring in a strong coaching team and not a bunch of yes men.
Fergie knew he needed good coaches which allowed him to look at things from a different level.
I'd be tempted to keep Phelan or even (shock horror) Ole involved somewhere in the management team if he was open to it. Oles seen which players aren't good enough in this squad atleast.
Bring in a strong coaching team and not a bunch of yes men.
Fergie knew he needed good coaches which allowed him to look at things from a different level.
I'd be tempted to keep Phelan or even (shock horror) Ole involved somewhere in the management team if he was open to it. Oles seen which players aren't good enough in this squad atleast.
Why is it blinkered? Blinkered means fueled and affected by bias. This isn’t. It’s all factual, and they’re not good enough.
How is it a blinkered analysis? Have you actually read the thread?
Don't waste your time with that one.
I stoped reading when he said they where brought in by Ole..
What in the world? That's either very revisionist or you have a short memory.
The atmosphere has been depressing sure but it's been a far cry from toxic. Toxic would be the end of Mourinho's tenure when he was picking fights with everyone and their mothers and sabotaging the team to get sacked quicker for his juicy severance package.
Everyone associated with the club was absolutely miserable at the time and there was an actual civil war within the fanbase with mud flinging and character attacks incessantly, not the simple disagreements of right now. We haven't come anywhere close to that these last few weeks nor will we.
I've got mates who support Arsenal and Liverpool who hate United hoping we win today so we definitely keep Ole a bit longer 
I've got mates who support Arsenal and Liverpool who hate United hoping we win today so we definitely keep Ole a bit longer
Jeez that is when you know your shit
I can't wait for his excuses if we don't win this.
I've got mates who support Arsenal and Liverpool who hate United hoping we win today so we definitely keep Ole a bit longer
Tell me about it, I have never had so much love shown for my team in all my life.
Could be the last game for Ole
One can dream.
The poll results are almost flipping like Pennsylvania
Funny thing is he prob thinks he did a great job finishing third and tbh I don't take credit away from him for at least managing to win enough games to do so. However truth be told is that without Leicesters dreadful collapse after the break fact is we would have been in the EL right now and that's where we will end up again if he gets the whole season.
Consistency is his only strong attribute in the sense that we always manage to get a few good results here and there followed by heaps of disastrous performances. Once hes gone from United he'll never get a job for a big club again. Was on the road to take Cardiff down to League One yet here he is managing the top 3 biggest club in the world.
Consistency is his only strong attribute in the sense that we always manage to get a few good results here and there followed by heaps of disastrous performances. Once hes gone from United he'll never get a job for a big club again. Was on the road to take Cardiff down to League One yet here he is managing the top 3 biggest club in the world.
That is one thing I can say over his time here,my stance was he should only have been a caretaker manager
Yes Ole‘s ‘Book of Excuses’ always good for a laugh
Yep me also. People think we want a medal for it or we are simply negative plastic fans.
I see it as we just stuck to our own opinions and nothing been done since his permanent appointment has made me question it.
If Ole himself changes our mind and does great things for this club. Brilliant. However if he does rubbish he needs to go just like any other manager. Feck all this moralistic and sentimental crap that seems to blind others.
Unacceptable really.
Yeah remember Woody saying they would carry out a recruitment process,what happened to that idea
Same here I feel, as I felt then, that Woodward jumped the gun to preempt the touted restructuring that he had promised. After Mourinho he copped a lot of blame for three failed managerial appointments and I think when he saw how Ole was successful in his his caretaker period he sensed redemption and thought he could ride on Ole's coattails whilst maintaining his and Judge's control over recruitment.
I know Ole feels hard done by with the way the summer window panned out but this team isn't that bad and the style of play just isn't there. He could fluke a few results here and there or even launch a good run of form but you know that a period of atrocious form is just around the corner and we will never progress as a side.
No matter the result today, he should be shown he door.
I've got mates who support Arsenal and Liverpool who hate United hoping we win today so we definitely keep Ole a bit longer
Everyone outside of United wants him to stay on as our manager. I haven't seen such widespread support for a United manager since Moyes.
Can we at least give Ole some leeway here (whether we win or lose today)?
It was only a few games ago we played well. Now we're the worst ever.
No manager is safe with us. If they dare lose or draw, knives are out immediately. We cannot keep going like that.
What Ed needs to do is get a football person in to deal with those matters instead of trying another manager. It doesn't work.
What might work is getting someone in to look at things objectively and help Ole to restructure his back room staff, implement a playing style we stick with (and only tweak when playing certain teams), so we build consistency. Plus utilise sports psychology. There are ways to help this manager.
Going with Poch (I hope not), is another disaster when he's absolutely terrible under pressure - and pressure, especially from external factors - is one of our big downfalls at this moment imho.
It was only a few games ago we played well. Now we're the worst ever.
No manager is safe with us. If they dare lose or draw, knives are out immediately. We cannot keep going like that.
What Ed needs to do is get a football person in to deal with those matters instead of trying another manager. It doesn't work.
What might work is getting someone in to look at things objectively and help Ole to restructure his back room staff, implement a playing style we stick with (and only tweak when playing certain teams), so we build consistency. Plus utilise sports psychology. There are ways to help this manager.
Going with Poch (I hope not), is another disaster when he's absolutely terrible under pressure - and pressure, especially from external factors - is one of our big downfalls at this moment imho.
The sad thing about this whole fiasco is that it shouldn't be coming down to one match or result. If he wins then what guarantees do we have that the team has turned a corner? These ultimatums, if there is one, just do not work because he could win this one and lose the next two then win again.I've got mates who support Arsenal and Liverpool who hate United hoping we win today so we definitely keep Ole a bit longer
It should be about trajectory and not based on one or two results. We need to finish top 4 this season with stadium bans and not mention that our big shirt sponsorship is expiring in a pandemic ravaged economy. We shouldn't be hesitant wrt rescuing the season whilst it's still possible.
I expect him to be sacked by the end of this week if we want to get anywhere with this season
One thing he should've noticed or, if he has noticed, should've changed is having Lindelof and AWB on the same side of the defence. They are both terrible in the air and it's a major weakness.
On the flip side, Maguire and Shaw are both very good so balls delivered to our left aren't as troubling, but whenever an opposition team delivers a ball in from their right to the back post we always look like we're going to concede.
On the flip side, Maguire and Shaw are both very good so balls delivered to our left aren't as troubling, but whenever an opposition team delivers a ball in from their right to the back post we always look like we're going to concede.
One step closer to ending this nightmare.
Needs to be sacked. Team has regressed & he’s got no clue how to change things.
This would be great if he didn't have 2 and a half years to make those very changes you've mentioned. Bottom line is he didn't take those opportunities whilst in charge. That's gotta be because he's not capable or willing to make those changes or learn.
Its time for Poch.
They're not playing for Ole anymore. None of them looked arsed. It's over.
The board always act too late. It’ll be once we’ve no hope of achieving anything. We could genuinely win the title this season with Liverpool and City looking a bit off key, and it is wide open atm. A new manager, breath of fresh air, and actual decent tactics, then we could do it.
But we won’t. We will pull the trigger far too late and I cannot fathom why. It’s blatantly obvious we won’t go anywhere with Ole. Then again, for me it’s been obvious since 4 months in the job.
Winning today changes nothing. But it will give him longer. And that’s such a terrible way to manage a situation like this. It’s imbecilic. If you’re contemplating sacking a manager due to ineptitude, and then saying well let’s see if they win the next game, you’re already at a stage where you should sack them. All you do is prolong the agony and make it ten times harder to recover once the inevitable change is made.
But we won’t. We will pull the trigger far too late and I cannot fathom why. It’s blatantly obvious we won’t go anywhere with Ole. Then again, for me it’s been obvious since 4 months in the job.
Winning today changes nothing. But it will give him longer. And that’s such a terrible way to manage a situation like this. It’s imbecilic. If you’re contemplating sacking a manager due to ineptitude, and then saying well let’s see if they win the next game, you’re already at a stage where you should sack them. All you do is prolong the agony and make it ten times harder to recover once the inevitable change is made.
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