None... because he's not shown enough to able to succeed big clubs and not proven enough to manage smaller clubs with limited bugdets (in PL).
Well maybe Westham.
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Would you sack or keep Ole? (Poll reopened)
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Well maybe Westham.
but we have seen tactics. The game against PSG was tactics. Look, I an not glorifying 1 game, we’ve seen this over and over with Ole. Doing tactically well against big teams. So there are tactics. But sometimes I feel the players are lazy. There is a lack of intensity in their build up. They don’t seem eager to win... is this Ole’s fault? Well, I’m on Keane’s camp here; it is not! Payers themselves need be eager to win. I am also afraid Ole wasn’t properly backed during the summer. So that’s another issue with the board and owners. Ole is not sir alex, he’s not ancelotti or wenger. But I fear replacing him will not solve the issue. We have a lot of other things going wrong at the moment as well. Any manager coming into this will have the same issues....
Tactically astute doesnt mean you have to win against big teams all the times. It also doesnt mean you have to dominate smaller teams all the time.
The thing with football match is that you're playing against human, not ai. There are many factors that plays. Opponent manager might outsmart you on their day.
But one thing for sure a tacticallt astute manager would get it righy 8 out of 10. We have it wrong 8 out of 10.
What good is beating top 6 teams if we cant beat the smaller teams? Other than bragging rights 3 pts is 3pts. When you won 3 pts in a hard fought match agains city only to lose against crystal palace on regular basis it still comes back to square one.
Good manager doesnt rely on luck or individual brilliance. That's just a bonus. Outplaying 90 percent of your opponent should be your bread and butter.
Do you think this will happen if the team was managed by SAF?
probably not. But it probably could happen with Poch. It happened with Moyes, Van Gaal and Mourinho also... i’m not saying he is the best, but the problems are much more than having “the wrong manager”.
I think half of the problem is hiring the wrong manager and the remaining half is our recruitment of players. But the lack of intensity problem is a large part on the manager. For example sometimes we press during a match then just give up in the end. This has been going on for a long time. It's up to the manager to address the issue. Ole has said before he wants us to be a pressing team and run the hardest but that's not happened. I wouldn't even call us a pressing team. Pressing isn't an ability a player has, it's something that is integrated in him.
No it doesnt happened with mourinho. He kept them on their toes but we sided with the player and fecked him off for throwing those primadonnas under the bus
Hoping for a proper display today, a turnaround from this lapse of form then a reinvigorated restart after the internationals. Would love it if we managed to go on a run, not that many points separating us from the top considering how long the season is and the other top-four candidates haven't exactly been brilliant either, plus we've got one game less than everyone so acting as if this season is done already calling for heads to roll at this point makes no sense.
What do you base that on? We are 15th. We started the season just like Wanderers and City, without a preseason, before that old chestnut is brought up. We have lost 3 games out of 6 and were fortunate to beat Brighton. We are supposed to be the biggest club in Britain, yet we get managed by a proven failure at this level. Loved Ole as a player, but hes not taking this club to win trophies. It was a nice try, but he simply isnt good enough.
Two of the biggest matches in Olé’s managerial career. Lose against Everton tonight, and lose against relegation fodder WBA in two weeks time (after the international break) and the job is gone!
I think the poll is amazing. We win a couple of games impressively, it doesn't move. We lose a couple of games, it goes to 50/50. Some great character on show...
Alan Hanson summed it up best when he said Fergie winning against the top 5 teams is 60/40 but against the other teams he is 90/10 and thats what wins you titles. In a nutshell its constantly beating the 'littler' teams that wins you titles.
Do I want Ole to go? Yes, No and maybe
Yes
His heart is at the right place and the players love him however his tactics against small clubs is too naive, our coaching is abysmal and he did spent 145m on James, Maguire and AWB which is border criminal. By letting him go now we can secure Pochs on a free + since OT is empty it will avoid the backlash top reds will reserve to the club for sacking their warrior poet.
No
Before sacking Ole up we should hire a decent DOF and a head of recruitment first. Ole might be resisting such changes in which case I understand why the club would want to see him gone first.
Maybe
I don't think that Ole can take us forward as a manager however I'd love to keep someone like him around. He understand the club, he's got managerial experience and he knows who are the rotten apples that need to be sold. Ole could become our Giuseppe Baresi or Mauro Tassotti ie people who linger around, covering various roles and bring in some sort of continuity when needed. Having said that I'd rather see us keep the more experienced Phelan then Ole. Ole is too nice for his own good.
Yes
His heart is at the right place and the players love him however his tactics against small clubs is too naive, our coaching is abysmal and he did spent 145m on James, Maguire and AWB which is border criminal. By letting him go now we can secure Pochs on a free + since OT is empty it will avoid the backlash top reds will reserve to the club for sacking their warrior poet.
No
Before sacking Ole up we should hire a decent DOF and a head of recruitment first. Ole might be resisting such changes in which case I understand why the club would want to see him gone first.
Maybe
I don't think that Ole can take us forward as a manager however I'd love to keep someone like him around. He understand the club, he's got managerial experience and he knows who are the rotten apples that need to be sold. Ole could become our Giuseppe Baresi or Mauro Tassotti ie people who linger around, covering various roles and bring in some sort of continuity when needed. Having said that I'd rather see us keep the more experienced Phelan then Ole. Ole is too nice for his own good.
Are you suggesting DoF?
Ole's purchases have been questionable to say the least. 130m on Maguire and AWB who cannot perform their roles up to the standard required here. In a title winning team, AWB would be played only in the really big games where defensive solidity was the priority. He is crap going forward. Less said about James the better. And then Ole wanted to buy some of the most obvious targets out there--Sancho, Grealish etc. What possible role could be play at the club? Cheerleader when a real manager bollocks the team after a poor performance?
This nepotism has to stop.
- click on link for thread Not as DOF but more as coach/board member/assistant manager ie a fluid role according to what the club needs
Lot of rumours that he is gone regardless of the Everton result and that the international break will be the time it is done.
It's something Fergie once said he told his team: You are better than your opponents and if you match their work rate, you'll win.
It just emphasises why Solskjaer might be a lower grade Ferguson... He might have some of his ideas, but that's about it.
He would probably never agree to be assistant to a manger at United given that he was manager himself. He is not very good as a coach, which is why we are having issues in the first place. But yes, he could be given a role on the board, but even there that trait of being too nice that you mention will make him not really very effective against the Glazers.
The whole Old sacking black cloud will still be around tonight - we will win today but it will be an ugly, scrappy win most likely from a dodgy penalty. All the usual signs that we aren’t playing well or organised will be on display.
However we win, we need the points badly because a draw or defeat will leave us in a position I don’t remember since the 80’s.
It would be typical Ole to win the next two playing garbage football and give us hope only to be dashed again.
We talk about rinse and repeat hiring managers and supposedly not backing them (we have), but the cycle under Ole has been exactly that but he needs more time apparently because he has a vision - I just don’t buy it. I have a vision on how United should rise again but I’m not good enough to implement it.
However we win, we need the points badly because a draw or defeat will leave us in a position I don’t remember since the 80’s.
It would be typical Ole to win the next two playing garbage football and give us hope only to be dashed again.
We talk about rinse and repeat hiring managers and supposedly not backing them (we have), but the cycle under Ole has been exactly that but he needs more time apparently because he has a vision - I just don’t buy it. I have a vision on how United should rise again but I’m not good enough to implement it.
Players have a opinion too, granted the money their own they should play to their potential anyway. However , like many fans they too have lost confidence in our manager unfortunately. You can see (( well least I can )) they have stopped playing for him and find it hard to get motivated because they think it's in vain.
That is why i prefer Phelan in that role tbh. He's got the skillset to cover multiple roles. Butt could be another option. If things go bad then we needs someone whose already inside the club who can step in and do the job up until the club had chosen their next manager. The new manager would be able to liaise with him thus settling quicker at the club as well
There will be one man watching our match tonight closer than any United fan will - the bloke from Argentina!
I'd accept upgrades on the coaching staff too...
Keane for Carrick and an attacking coach for McKenna.
Keane for Carrick and an attacking coach for McKenna.
Come on man. Roy Keane is just bad vibes and quite frankly a rubbish coach. Don’t want him anywhere near here unless we want Jose energy part two. Keep him on Sky Sports for laughs.
That's one way to put it, or just mathematically it's get as much as 3pts as you can. 3pts is 3pts.
You can beat the mighty PSG 10-0 but if you lose the next game to a lucky Besiktas 1-0 it still 0 pts gain.
What do you honestly thinks a coach do? Like seriously?
Just like manager they need to actually have the talent to coach, playing football for 20 years doesn't make you a good coach, let alone manager
Our ex players are all shit manager (Neville, Bruce, Ole, Keane, Ince)
maybe, just... stop picking untested materials?
I can see Ed offering Ole a job in some other department or something like that. Don't think he will sack him unless things get really bad or Ole agrees to a different role in the club
Terrible manager, the sooner he goes, the better.
Besides his obvious incompetence, because of him the atmosphere around the club has become incredibly toxic these days.
It's not directly his fault, but his rabid fans that can't tell the difference between Ole the player and Ole the manager and his buddies in the media never ever admit that he does anything wrong, so they end up blaming it all on the players, board, stadium, covid, weather, etc.
In almost 30 years of following United I never remember seeing such a toxic atmosphere around the club and the fans going at each other's throat like you see these days. We always used to have a "us vs them" mentality, one that has served us well over the years, but these days it feels more like "us vs us".
Hopefully, after this guy's gone we learn our lesson, and think long and hard before using nepotism to appoint someone in such an important position.
Anyway, unfortunately, I think that he won't be gone anytime soon. Every time the axe is ready to fall, he seems to find a couple of results that gives him some breathing space and we're back at square one repeating the same vicious circle over and over.
Besides his obvious incompetence, because of him the atmosphere around the club has become incredibly toxic these days.
It's not directly his fault, but his rabid fans that can't tell the difference between Ole the player and Ole the manager and his buddies in the media never ever admit that he does anything wrong, so they end up blaming it all on the players, board, stadium, covid, weather, etc.
In almost 30 years of following United I never remember seeing such a toxic atmosphere around the club and the fans going at each other's throat like you see these days. We always used to have a "us vs them" mentality, one that has served us well over the years, but these days it feels more like "us vs us".
Hopefully, after this guy's gone we learn our lesson, and think long and hard before using nepotism to appoint someone in such an important position.
Anyway, unfortunately, I think that he won't be gone anytime soon. Every time the axe is ready to fall, he seems to find a couple of results that gives him some breathing space and we're back at square one repeating the same vicious circle over and over.
Grim.
Reminds me of Moyes who came in and sacked Ferguson's world class staff and brought in his donkeys from Everton.
I never wanted him as permanent manager. Thought he was an excellent choice as interim.
I was appalled when he was announced manager before the season finished. This club went to lengths to say there would be a proper hiring process. Then turned its back on that.
I have wanted Pochettino from the day we asked LVG. But even with that I was desperate for Ole to be successful.
He hasn't and won't be simply because he doesn't have the talent.
I was appalled when he was announced manager before the season finished. This club went to lengths to say there would be a proper hiring process. Then turned its back on that.
I have wanted Pochettino from the day we asked LVG. But even with that I was desperate for Ole to be successful.
He hasn't and won't be simply because he doesn't have the talent.
Just looking at our fixture list and December looks like a really hard month for us again. Not filled with fixtures against the bigger teams but teams that I think will give us a lot of problems.
We need to be well prepared because I could see another repeat of last year where we go into the new year with a poor standing in the table and a mountain to climb. The only difference is we probably won't be able to repeat the winning run of last year to turn that around.
We need to be well prepared because I could see another repeat of last year where we go into the new year with a poor standing in the table and a mountain to climb. The only difference is we probably won't be able to repeat the winning run of last year to turn that around.
It's the one thing that made me believe Mourinho won't be a failure with Spurs, he changed his backroom staff and brought in new blood that didn't have much to do with him before. He's willing to change though his old ways kick on from time to another.
I think the club just gives every possible opportunity and time to the manager to succeed. They are just too patient in footballing terms for a big club. This is their biggest folly.
I want the club to have an overarching vision of how the team should play and hire managers/players accordingly with a revolving door policy. You only get to stay if you are exceptional.
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I want the club to have an overarching vision of how the team should play and hire managers/players accordingly with a revolving door policy. You only get to stay if you are exceptional.
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That was really bad on our part but, because of the run under Ole and PSG, obvious nobody agreed at the time.
I'm 100% certain though that Poch would have been our manager then if not for the huge compensation package owed to Spurs if we hired him.
Couldnt have summed it up better. We all loved Ole the player, we all love Ole the man, we all wanted this romantic relationship to work where Ole comes back and restores the famous Manchester United principles, culture and returns us to our former glory. However when you disconnect Ole and his past with the club and look at the situation for what it is, he is just not a very good coach and manager. That shows with the results and performances
Kind of makes you look at recent performances and think "what was I really expecting from the managed by an underqualified coaching staff"
I keep seeing "changing managers will not win us anything, there are bigger problems". Do people actually think we would go back to winning trophies with these coaches combined with the Glazers and Ed. The coaching staff are all underqualified bar maybe McKenna. It's not that Ole's quality is unknown like Arteta or Pep at Barca, his past credentials proves to be not good enough to coach this team. And frankly speaking because of this under qualification he'd have to be put on a very short leash and have to prove himself every time from day 1.
Ole would have to do something extraordinary before he gets people to actually believe he is good enough for the job. Zidane and Pep were under qualified too. What did Zidane do? He won three champions league in a row before people actually started giving him credit and even then you still heard that it was possible because of Ronaldo until he won the league without him. Pep won the treble and played arguably the most dominant style of football ever. None of Zidane or Pep would have lasted if they didn't start doing the unthinkable immediately. People are expecting Ole to get praises because he got us 3rd and three semi finals should keep dreaming. He will never get the credit you think he deserves unless he wins us the league
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